Rumor: 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline

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I think he clearly has good sources with the Avs. If he links us to a player, chances are it came from the Avs IMO.


Which means we probably were in on Monahan again this year, and we probably were the team that tried to dump a bad contract(RyJo) to get Tanev.

Which, at least means they recognize that A) RyJo experiment has failed and that is cap space they absolutely need to free up, and B) They at least see the defense and Center as still needing some help, arguably even pretty good help as Tanev was a legit Top 4 guy that would have moved Manson down quite frankly.
I agree with most of this except maybe your point B. IMO they are after a dman because Byram is going out in another trade for a 2C not because they think they need help at D. I might be wrong though. It has happened in the past a couple of times. :laugh::sarcasm:
 

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They at least see the defense still needing some help, arguably even pretty good help as Tanev was a legit Top 4 guy that would have moved Manson down quite frankly.
Or, like @Linds speculated previously, they are looking to move Byram or Girard for that #2C and want a second pairing guy to replace him. If we do move either of those two, I would hope we go after someone at least capable of being a #4, not just a #6.

E. too slow, just like @AllAboutAvs said above there.
 

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I guess I should have clarified that I wasn't talking about just their knowledge about the Avs. I meant that they all do basically the same things. Some speculate more than others, some choose their words more carefully than others, and some seem like outright jerks when people challenge them, but they are all "Insiders/News breakers" when it comes to signings and trades. Anyone of them will have info that the others don't, but they all are quick to credit the one that breaks the news first. Kevin Weekes is trying to get into this area for ESPN, but he's not quite there, yet.
I think Kevin is trying to transform himself into meme. :nod:

IMO Friedman and Seravalli are the two guys who have a good source in the league office. When things are about to go down... they have a good idea of it. When it comes to the chatter... their connections are weak. Weekes hears a lot of chatter and likes to have fun with things, but is a bit trigger happy. Dregs is Dregs... fun mouthpiece, but very clearly tied to a few agents and he's more than willing to have their messaging. CJ and LeBrun... these are the guys who are much more measured and try to be accurate. They will hold onto things prior to stating. They may not get the exact drop of when it is happening, but they tend to have the better pulse. LeBrun clearly more connected and better.
 

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I think Kevin is trying to transform himself into meme. :nod:

IMO Friedman and Seravalli are the two guys who have a good source in the league office. When things are about to go down... they have a good idea of it. When it comes to the chatter... their connections are weak. Weekes hears a lot of chatter and likes to have fun with things, but is a bit trigger happy. Dregs is Dregs... fun mouthpiece, but very clearly tied to a few agents and he's more than willing to have their messaging. CJ and LeBrun... these are the guys who are much more measured and try to be accurate. They will hold onto things prior to stating. They may not get the exact drop of when it is happening, but they tend to have the better pulse. LeBrun clearly more connected and better.
IDK how anyone works with Seravalli. Comes across as extremely unlikeable. On his Pod, he's always interrupting and talking down on what anyone else thinks. Like he thinks the rest of them are all stupid. Maybe it's just the East Coast thing, but he seems like a huge jerk.
 

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IDK how anyone works with Seravalli. Comes across as extremely unlikeable. On his Pod, he's always interrupting and talking down on what anyone else thinks. Like he thinks the rest of them are all stupid. Maybe it's just the East Coast thing, but he seems like a huge jerk.
He doesn't have a f***ing clue about how hockey is actually played it seems. His analysis of players is so off it's incredible how the guy works in hockey.
 

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I agree with most of this except maybe your point B. IMO they are after a dman because Byram is going out in another trade for a 2C not because they think they need help at D. I might be wrong though. It has happened in the past a couple of times. :laugh::sarcasm:

Or, like @Linds speculated previously, they are looking to move Byram or Girard for that #2C and want a second pairing guy to replace him. If we do move either of those two, I would hope we go after someone at least capable of being a #4, not just a #6.

E. too slow, just like @AllAboutAvs said above there.

Maybe, but I really do think a Byram or G trade would be far more of a summer/draft day deal than a deadline move. Plus, I would have thought they'd want a LD if they were moving one of those guys rather than a RD.


But I would like to be wrong. I'd like to see them trade Bo or G to get a legit 2C solution instead of a bandaid. But I don't know if we have the management to make that kind of move especially at the deadline.
 

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I think Kevin is trying to transform himself into meme. :nod:

IMO Friedman and Seravalli are the two guys who have a good source in the league office. When things are about to go down... they have a good idea of it. When it comes to the chatter... their connections are weak. Weekes hears a lot of chatter and likes to have fun with things, but is a bit trigger happy. Dregs is Dregs... fun mouthpiece, but very clearly tied to a few agents and he's more than willing to have their messaging. CJ and LeBrun... these are the guys who are much more measured and try to be accurate. They will hold onto things prior to stating. They may not get the exact drop of when it is happening, but they tend to have the better pulse. LeBrun clearly more connected and better.
A very good summary on the insiders. No one else is really worth mentioning in this category btw. Pagnotta tries but he's just not connected/respected enough.

I've got a feeling Weekes could be more if he wanted, but he doesn't have the interest to sit on his phone 24/7 like the others lol. When it's deadline day or free agent frenzy, he breaks a lot of stuff.
 
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Maybe, but I really do think a Byram or G trade would be far more of a summer/draft day deal than a deadline move. Plus, I would have thought they'd want a LD if they were moving one of those guys rather than a RD.

But I would like to be wrong. I'd like to see them trade Bo or G to get a legit 2C solution instead of a bandaid. But I don't know if we have the management to make that kind of move especially at the deadline.
I think this management group has shown they would prefer a longer term solution, not just go rental hunting. And the options are much better if you go for a player under term/control. I mean Henrique and that's about it for the rental #2C market. It's going to be expensive anyway with moving out RyJo, so might as well go a bit further for a better player.
 

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LeBrun:
As far as I can tell, the playoff contenders trying to land a forward before Friday’s trade deadline are the Knights and Oilers, as mentioned, plus the New York Rangers, Carolina Hurricanes, Florida Panthers and Colorado Avalanche.

 
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I really miss Bob McKenzie.
I think he's a bit overrated. Not in terms of his actual insider job, he really was the best and as good as Friedman is, Bob was better. But I didn't really care for Bobfathers radio hits or studio analysis.

One more thing about Friedman, he really was the king of the hill when Bob McKenzie retired and CJ was still with Sportsnet. He got the big stuff, and CJ was his aide. Now he's the only insider Sportsnet has, and it shows. He has to do a bit too much I think.
 
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IDK how anyone works with Seravalli. Comes across as extremely unlikeable. On his Pod, he's always interrupting and talking down on what anyone else thinks. Like he thinks the rest of them are all stupid. Maybe it's just the East Coast thing, but he seems like a huge jerk.
Agreed. He's a more intense AJ.

LeBrun:
As far as I can tell, the playoff contenders trying to land a forward before Friday’s trade deadline are the Knights and Oilers, as mentioned, plus the New York Rangers, Carolina Hurricanes, Florida Panthers and Colorado Avalanche.

No f***ing way! A forward? insightful!
 

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Seems like our priorities have shifted from…

- 2C
- Backup goalie
- Depth defenseman

…to…

- Top 6 forward
- Top 4/5 D
- Backup goalie

Avs might not like the centres available and prefer loading up on best player available which is likely a winger. On D, I guess not as sold on our current group and want somebody better. Manson or Girard becomes an expensive third pairing D at that point.
 

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Come on Hench, drop the name.

What’s the worst that could happen? You get it wrong, ridiculed by several posters for the next 3-12 months… no biggie

If you're paying attention, I already lead you to it.

I personally don't think it will happen for cap reasons alone. It is a very narrow threading of a deal that is hard to pull off in today's NHL. I've stated for a long while, who I think the Avs are grabbing (Wennberg) and I expect it will be with Driedger. Who they end up with on defense is much more in the air.
 

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I remember Lebrun was the first one to say although the Avs have the best offer on the table, Giroux is leaning elsewhere.

Was a bit disappointing to read but he was spot on and it ended up being true.
Not disagreeing, but with benefit of hindsight, Tippett probably turned out to be better than anything the Avs had in their offer.
 

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If you're paying attention, I already lead you to it.

I personally don't think it will happen for cap reasons alone. It is a very narrow threading of a deal that is hard to pull off in today's NHL. I've stated for a long while, who I think the Avs are grabbing (Wennberg) and I expect it will be with Driedger. Who they end up with on defense is much more in the air.
I saw the hint, wasn’t enough for me to Columbo it…
 

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It was on the Marek Show... I recorded it on my phone but it's 26MB.

Friedman didn't say anything that he knows happened - he just said he's wondering about the Avs and if they'd be in on Hanifin.


Let's say he's right. IDK what they'd give up for him. If Conroy wouldn't take a 1st + RyJo for Tanev, you gotta think he is gonna want a 1st + a good roster player + prospect, and that's not including any retention (and they can't add Hanafin without trading out equal salary or 50%-75% retention). That seems too expensive, especially for a team that needs a 2C and a backup G way worse than they need another top 4 D-man and a guy that's a UFA.
 

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IDK how anyone works with Seravalli. Comes across as extremely unlikeable. On his Pod, he's always interrupting and talking down on what anyone else thinks. Like he thinks the rest of them are all stupid. Maybe it's just the East Coast thing, but he seems like a huge jerk.
He doesn't have a f***ing clue about how hockey is actually played it seems. His analysis of players is so off it's incredible how the guy works in hockey.
Both of these things are true but I still like him for some reason. Probably my favorite hockey podcast these days.

What's funny is the guy with Seravalli on the podcast knows hockey and he's constantly getting rebuted for his opinions. :laugh:
 
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I think he's a bit overrated. Not in terms of his actual insider job, he really was the best and as good as Friedman is, Bob was better. But I didn't really care for Bobfathers radio hits or studio analysis.

One more thing about Friedman, he really was the king of the hill when Bob McKenzie retired and CJ was still with Sportsnet. He got the big stuff, and CJ was his aide. Now he's the only insider Sportsnet has, and it shows. He has to do a bit too much I think.
See that's actually what I miss about him. His podcasts tended to meander a bit and he'd talk about a lot of personal non-hockey stuff, but he did it in such a folksy and avuncular manner that I was still entertained.

I still have yet to crack open a Bobby Margarita though.
 

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What's funny is the guy with Seravalli on the podcast knows hockey and he's constantly getting rebuted for his opinions. :laugh:
Yep. He just easily gives up and agrees with Frank, or says something like "Well, yeah, IDK" and moves on to another subject. Like he knows it's Frank's Pod, so he'd not going to challenge him on anything, or he has before and knows how it will go, so he doesn't want to deal with it. Like a husband just giving in to his bitchy wife not to make things worse.
 
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