Rumor: 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline

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Friedman is doing his job... but it doesn't mean people should take him seriously here. When was the last time he broke anything related to the Avs?
The issue here is that most of the time people don't pay attention at what he says or the way he says it. Friedman is very careful with his words especially with regard to the Avs. He never says "I heard" or something like that. He says "I believe", "i think", " I wouldn't be surprised", etc. then people start with the rumors.
 

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Buffalo should trade Mittlestadt to the Avs at the deadline for a late round pick.

Then the Avs would agree to trade Byram to Buffalo in the summer for a late round pick.

Buffalo gets worse for in season and a better draft pick then they can pick up their experienced 2 time Stanley Cup champion in the summer.
That wouldn’t fly. League would crack down so hard on both teams. That’s like when teams would play shenanigans with future considerations back in the day
 

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For the first bolded, I'd be pretty surprised if that was the case. They saw just as we all did - how things went prior to the acquisition of Kadri - the time when Kadri got suspended for the 2nd round and last year when we had JT2C.

For the second bolded - yeah I think he already deleted my post. I just wrote that "Boone was going to mentor the crap outta that kid" for a few laughs.

In the end, I think C-Bus is going itself a disservice not getting a massive return for a guy who is going to be 31 this summer but to each their own.
I think it's a she
 

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I'd not call being on duty 24/7 always on high alert to be the first to break everything "easy". That guy is always working.
It is the same as Sakic is not working because he is at a Nuggets game, or CMac is not working because technically if the trade didn't happen then it wasn't work.
 

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The issue here is that most of the time people don't pay attention at what he says or the way he says it. Friedman is very careful with his words especially with regard to the Avs. He never says "I heard" or something like that. He says "I believe", "i think", " I wouldn't be surprised", etc. then people start with the rumors.

He's filling content, but people take it like he knows something... when he doesn't and he's simply throwing an opinion out. It has been this way with the Avs for 5-6+ years now.
 
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The issue here is that most of the time people don't pay attention at what he says or the way he says it. Friedman is very careful with his words especially with regard to the Avs. He never says "I heard" or something like that. He says "I believe", "i think", " I wouldn't be surprised", etc. then people start with the rumors.
Indeed, and this is true for most insiders. You really have to pay attention to the wording they use. I feel like Friedman always makes it clear when he speculates, whereas Seravalli and Dreger make their opinions sound much more like actual facts. This is a reason I don't really like Dreger, though I can't question his work as an insider. I really like LeBrun and CJ, they pretty much just stick to the facts, or don't really mention specific names.

He's no different than LeBrun, or Dreiger, or Johnston, or Pagnotta, or Seravalli, etc. They all do the same things.
I disagree, some speculate more than others and some people know more about specific teams than others. LeBrun has shown for years that he has some taps in the Avs organization, and even he doesn't get a whole lot from them. But if he says that the Avs are onto something, I do trust him while I wouldn't trust Friedman per se.

All that said, Friedman is still the #1 insider who gets most of the stuff first.
 

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I'd LOVE for the Avs to get their hands on Ridly Greig. I think the cost would be high but that kid has flashed a lot to me this season - every time I've seen him, I'm like woah nice play, who is that? I think he's gonna be really good.
Greig and Chabot it is
 

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He's filling content, but people take it like he knows something... when he doesn't and he's simply throwing an opinion out. It has been this way with the Avs for 5-6+ years now.
That is exactly what I mean so how is it his fault or worst than others?
 

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That is exactly what I mean so how is it his fault or worst than others?

He's clearly worse than LeBrun who is in a completely different category here... and he also has content responsibility. Chris Johnson is way less speculative.

I think it is fine to fill content, but when something is clickbaity... it is clickbaity. It is okay to just say what it is. Every big name player that comes up in trades is... 'I think the Avs are in this.'
 
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That is exactly what I mean so how is it his fault or worst than others?
Because some other insiders, like forementioned LeBrun, don't do that. For what it's worth, I don't really hold it against Friedge, because like I said, he's usually very articulate when it's him speculating.
 

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I'd not call being on duty 24/7 always on high alert to be the first to break everything "easy". That guy is always working.
It’s a cool job, it’s not a hard job. There is no thinking or physical activity required doing what Friedman is doing. Traveling can be physically exhausting, but come on. They travel and sleep in nice hotels and stuff, I wouldn’t really call that physical activity.

I’d like to do what Friedman does trust me. I’m not bashing his job. It’s just that I wouldn’t really call it a hard job. There are hard jobs out there, but his isn’t one of them
 
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He's clearly worse than LeBrun who is in a completely different category here... and he also has content responsibility. Chris Johnson is way less speculative.

I think it is fine to fill content, but when something is clickbaity... it is clickbaity. It is okay to just say what it is. Every big name player that comes up in trades is... 'I think the Avs are in this.'
I don't disagree about LeBrun. Very often it does make sense for the Avs to go after the player he says. Heck most of the posters on here want those same players. He is just doing his job. Not his fault people take what he says the wrong way. The old "Listen to the words coming out of my mouth" applies very much with him.
 

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In terms of the Avs I agree because he seems to have a direct line to Sakic but otherwise he’s in the same breed.
I don't see him speculate nearly as often... and his hit rate of calling trades prior is much higher. Mostly because he doesn't constantly state things. He's just more reserved about it all.
 

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I miss Bob.

Yeah, nobody has come even close to replacing his shoes at this point.

LeBrun is the best at this point I think. Mostly because I don't think he does his own speculation very often.


I dont hate Fridgeman but you do need to be able to decipher his wording. His own speculation is barely any more legit than what we go on with here. But sometimes he has legit rumors and will make it fairly clear when this is the case.
 

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Because some other insiders, like forementioned LeBrun, don't do that. For what it's worth, I don't really hold it against Friedge, because like I said, he's usually very articulate when it's him speculating.
Exactly it is people interpreting what he says wrong.
 

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It’s a cool job, it’s not a hard job. There is no thinking or physical activity required doing what Friedman is doing. Traveling can be physically exhausting, but come on. They travel and sleep in nice hotels and stuff, I wouldn’t really call that physical activity.

I’d like to do what Friedman does trust me. I’m not bashing his job. It’s just that I wouldn’t really call it a hard job. There are hard jobs out there, but his isn’t one of them
I would argue having to be on your phone basically all the time, with no real work hours because it's a 24/7 thing can be exhausting as well. A lot of jobs are similar, but not that many where you really have to be alert all the time because if you start missing stuff your reputation goes down the drain as well.

I may have a physical job in the industry, but at least when the clock hit's 15.30, I don't have to give a damn about my job until 07.00 the next day.
 

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I remember Lebrun was the first one to say although the Avs have the best offer on the table, Giroux is leaning elsewhere.

Was a bit disappointing to read but he was spot on and it ended up being true.

I think he clearly has good sources with the Avs. If he links us to a player, chances are it came from the Avs IMO.


Which means we probably were in on Monahan again this year, and we probably were the team that tried to dump a bad contract(RyJo) to get Tanev.

Which, at least means they recognize that A) RyJo experiment has failed and that is cap space they absolutely need to free up, and B) They at least see the defense and Center as still needing some help, arguably even pretty good help as Tanev was a legit Top 4 guy that would have moved Manson down quite frankly.
 

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LeBrun is clearly different.
I guess I should have clarified that I wasn't talking about just their knowledge about the Avs. I meant that they all do basically the same things. Some speculate more than others, some choose their words more carefully than others, and some seem like outright jerks when people challenge them, but they are all "Insiders/News breakers" when it comes to signings and trades. Anyone of them will have info that the others don't, but they all are quick to credit the one that breaks the news first. Kevin Weekes is trying to get into this area for ESPN, but he's not quite there, yet.
 
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