Rumor: 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline

[RoyIsALegend]

I was mostly agreeing with you that the Caps didn't make big moves their Cup year either, but disagreeing that Kempny logged key minutes.

This is the part I don’t understand.

A 4D didn’t log key minutes for the Stanley Cup champions? How does that work?

You defend Josh Manson yet he was 5th in average ice time on D when we won the Cup. I still think he logged key minutes.

Are we just picking random stuff to disagree on? A 4D on a Cup champion logged key minutes. I don’t think that’s up for debate.

 

[Foppa2118]

Is there a recent cup winner who won when all they added was an Eller/Soda/Nemeth level talent at the deadline?

Eller/Soda/Nemeth is different, but there's multiple teams in recent years that have won the Cup with smaller in season/deadline trades. Not all in moves at all.

You build your team in the offseason not at the deadline.


2019 Blues

• 6th for Michael Del Zotto

2018 Caps

• 3rd for Michal Kempny

2017 Pens

• 2nd + Danny Kristo for Ron Hainsey
• 4th + Eric Feher + Steve Oleksy for Frank Corrado (0 playoff games)
• 4th for Mark Streit (3 playoff games)

2016 Pens

• David Perron + Adam Clendening for Carl Hagelin (Good playoff contribution but small price in trade becasue he was a 2nd/3rd line tweener)
• 3rd for Justin Schultz (0 goals 3 assists)

Barbashev for Zach Dean was the biggest move for the Knights last year too. I'm not sure if that qualifies as an all in move either.

 

[sethro109]

Oh now he does work but he is really bad at it....goalposts are moving I see...

We knew he was bad at it since last season when we went with Compher as 2C and when he wasted a 2nd round draft pick to get retention on Lars f***ing Eller for no God damn reason.

 

[Foppa2118]

This is the part I don’t understand.

A 4D didn’t log key minutes for the Stanley Cup champions? How does that work?

You defend Josh Manson yet he was 5th in average ice time on D when we won the Cup. I still think he logged key minutes.

Are we just picking random stuff to disagree on? A 4D on a Cup champion logged key minutes. I don’t think that’s up for debate.

Ok fair I guess. I thought you were implying a bigger role by saying key minutes.

Either way, this is mostly about what teams gave up at the deadline, since we're discussing the importance of going all in. Not the importance of a 4/5D.

Kempny cost the Caps a 3rd, and that's the only move they made the year they won the Cup.

 

[Ararana]

Impossible...CMac doesn't do any work....

Technically, he still hasn't. Being a finalist doesn't mean shit.

One positive - if he's trying that aggressively to dump RyJo and pick up ANOTHER defenseman, I can't help but hope he might actually have a center lined up for one of our LHD. i.e. Mittelstadt for Byram

One negative - he didn't get Tanev, so everything might have fallen apart. Kadri/EJ negotiations all over again.

 

[avalanche_country]

At least we know cmac is trying

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Ok fair I guess. I thought you were implying a bigger role by saying key minutes.

Either way, this is mostly about what teams gave up at the deadline, since we're discussing the importance of going all in. Not the importance of a 4/5D.

Kempny cost the Caps a 3rd, and that's the only move they made the year they won the Cup.

Right, so that’s why I picked the Blues.

MdZ cost a 6th. Kempny cost a 3rd.

Do you see how pointless “disagreeing” with me was on this matter?

 

[EdAVSfan]

Technically, he still hasn't. Being a finalist doesn't mean shit.

One positive - if he's trying that aggressively to dump RyJo and pick up ANOTHER defenseman, I can't help but hope he might actually have a center lined up for one of our LHD. i.e. Mittelstadt for Byram

One negative - he didn't get Tanev, so everything might have fallen apart. Kadri/EJ negotiations all over again.

I think an important part is that the Avs don’t need a top 4 guy. They simply need a quality 3rd pairing guy. There’s still a few of those guys available, rather than the top 4-ish type.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Lebrun says Avs were finalist for Tanev. Speculates they offered their first…as long as Calgary would take Johansen.

Makes sense, but I wonder what the Avs would have done to solve the 2C situation if they had made that trade.

Tanev for RyJo + 1st would have been a fairly reasonable deal IMO.

Technically, he still hasn't. Being a finalist doesn't mean shit.

One positive - if he's trying that aggressively to dump RyJo and pick up ANOTHER defenseman, I can't help but hope he might actually have a center lined up for one of our LHD. i.e. Mittelstadt for Byram

One negative - he didn't get Tanev, so everything might have fallen apart. Kadri/EJ negotiations all over again.

Ya, does make you wonder what they have planned for the Center position if they're prepared to move that aggressively to get rid of RyJo.


I'd hope the Avs shift to Walker with a similar offer now.

 

[Foppa2118]

Right, so that’s why I picked the Blues.

MdZ cost a 6th. Kempny cost a 3rd.

Do you see how pointless “disagreeing” with me was on this matter?

Jesus RIAL what's with you today? All I said was I agreed with you on that, but disagreed he played "key minutes" because he averaged 7-8 minutes less than the big three.

You don't agree fine. You really want to keep harping on the semantics of what "key minutes" are for a 4/5 D and think this isn't a "pointless" thing to keep discussing?

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Jesus RIAL what's with you today? All I said was I agreed with you on that, but disagreed he played "key minutes" because he average 7-8 minutes less than the big three.

You don't agree fine. You really want to keep harping on the semantics of what "key minutes" are for a 4/5 D and think this isn't pointless thing to keep discussing?

No bro, I’m just confused what you were even disagreeing with me on in the first place.

I said Kempny played key minutes. He was a 4D. You disagreed. Cool.

Then you said it’s not about that anyways it’s about what they gave up. I agree, that’s why I mentioned the Blues in the first place since they gave up the least of any Cup winner at the deadline.

Nothing wrong, I just don’t even know why this became a discussion. We were actually in agreement the entire way that St. Louis gave up the least.

 

[The Kingslayer]

Jesus you guys stop fighting. Lets prepare for the second arrival of Lars Eller.

 

[Foppa2118]

I said Kempny played key minutes. He was a 4D. You disagreed. Cool.

Great. /discussion

 

[EdAVSfan]

Jesus you guys stop fighting. Lets prepare for the second arrival of Lars Eller.

Lar2 Eller

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Jesus you guys stop fighting. Lets prepare for the second arrival of Lars Eller.

 

[The Kingslayer]

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Im so glad this man is back in the NHL you have no idea haha

 

[Foppa2118]

Im so glad this man is back in the NHL you have no idea haha

At least all three of us can agree on that.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Teams around the league know how desperate the Avs are to get off RyJo’s contract..that’s not a good thing.

It will cost a 2nd round pick. This contract isn't even that bad.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

We need to get a train of teams retaining and dumping RyJo over and over again.

I want him to collect like 6 different pay checks every 2 weeks just for the lulz.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Eller/Soda/Nemeth is different, but there's multiple teams in recent years that have won the Cup with smaller in season/deadline trades. Not all in moves at all.

You build your team in the offseason not at the deadline.


2019 Blues

• 6th for Michael Del Zotto

2018 Caps

• 3rd for Michal Kempny

2017 Pens

• 2nd + Danny Kristo for Ron Hainsey
• 4th + Eric Feher + Steve Oleksy for Frank Corrado (0 playoff games)
• 4th for Mark Streit (3 playoff games)

2016 Pens

• David Perron + Adam Clendening for Carl Hagelin (Good playoff contribution but small price in trade becasue he was a 2nd/3rd line tweener)
• 3rd for Justin Schultz (0 goals 3 assists)

Barbashev for Zach Dean was the biggest move for the Knights last year too. I'm not sure if that qualifies as an all in move either.

It's true that you don't necessarily have to make moves but I have hard time believing this team wins without additions.

Okay, if Nuke and Landy come back at their prime shape and Kovy works well from the beginning, we can go all the way but would be still hard without #2 center. Georgiev has to play well too.

We need to get a train of teams retaining and dumping RyJo over and over again.

I want him to collect like 6 different pay checks every 2 weeks just for the lulz.

He would be too lazy to pick them up

 

[JH21]

Radko Gudas (1m retained) for Johansen and a 1st

Dylan Cozens for Bowen Byram

Playoffs"

Lehkonen- Mackinnon- Rantanen
Nichushkin- Cozens- Drouin
Landeskog- Colton- Kovalenko
Wood- Wagner- O'Connor
Parise - Cogliano

Toews - Makar
Girard - Manson
Johnson - Gudas

Georgiev
Prosvetov

 

[Foppa2118]

It's true that you don't necessarily have to make moves but I have hard time believing this team wins without additions.

Okay, if Nuke and Landy come back at their prime shape and Kovy works well from the beginning, we can go all the way but would be still hard without #2 center. Georgiev has to play well too.

Defintiely agree they need to make a 2C trade and Georgiev needs to play solid.

They don't even have a 2C right now, or a 2nd line in general without Val. That's the biggest problem.

I just don't think it needs to be an aggressive all in 2C trade.

 

[sethro109]

I'd give Cmac's left but for Brock Nelson or Boone Jenner.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

I'd give Cmac's left but for Brock Nelson or Boone Jenner.

I just can't see Roy's team as a seller. He will try till the end to make it.

 

[Balthazar]

If CNap really offered our first for Tanev that obviously means that he doesn't plan to use it for a center.