Rumor: 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline

[Colorado Avalanche]

If CNap really offered a first for Tanev that obviously means that he doesn't plan to use it for a center.

He was sending RyJo other way as well, so who is left to send for a new #2 center? Byram? Girard? I wouldn't sell Ritchie

 

[The Kingslayer]

If CNap really offered our first for Tanev that obviously means that he doesn't plan to use it for a center.

Which probably means hes banking on Colton to be the Avs 2C until Ritchie arrives. Great. f***in. Plan.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

I'd give Cmac's left but for Brock Nelson or Boone Jenner.

I believe his wife signed a No-Movement Clause on those nuts.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Which probably means hes banking on Colton to be the Avs 2C until Ritchie arrives. Great. f***in. Plan.

Better than Eller. We improve.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

Technically, he still hasn't. Being a finalist doesn't mean shit.

One positive - if he's trying that aggressively to dump RyJo and pick up ANOTHER defenseman, I can't help but hope he might actually have a center lined up for one of our LHD. i.e. Mittelstadt for Byram

One negative - he didn't get Tanev, so everything might have fallen apart. Kadri/EJ negotiations all over again.

Technically he did. He is paid to make and receive calls.

 

[MacKaRant]

He was sending RyJo other way as well, so who is left to send for a new #2 center? Byram? Girard? I wouldn't sell Ritchie

Everything you listed? And other draft picks we have (including firsts in other years)? Ritchie as well is an option, no?

 

[forsbergavs32]

I haven’t paid much attention to the Blues this year. Capfriendly has Buchnevich listed as a center and winger, how much center does he play?

 

[Foppa2118]

Which probably means hes banking on Colton to be the Avs 2C until Ritchie arrives. Great. f***in. Plan.

Might be a sliding scale of sorts.

If Calgary takes a 1st + RJ, then he sends multiple prospects and a 2nd to Anaheim for Henrique. If he doesn't, maybe he offers a 1st and one prospect for Henrique.

Verbeek was GM when they gave up a 2nd + Helleson (2nd rounder) for Manson.

Henrique's not perfect, but he should be an upgrade on Colton in a 2C role. 55 point pace vs a 42 point pace.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

If CNap really offered our first for Tanev that obviously means that he doesn't plan to use it for a center.

Exactly so my belief is Byram would be the piece going the other way. It has become very quiet with BUF so I think Cozens or Mitts is the 2C targeted/already lined up.

 

[Balthazar]

He was sending RyJo other way as well, so who is left to send for a new #2 center? Byram? Girard? I wouldn't sell Ritchie

If he's sending G or Byram for Mittelstadt or something similar there's no reason to wait at the deadline to do that.

He's probably aiming for Henrique or Wennberg, which aren't worth a 1st pick. Problem is we're short of 2nd and 3rd picks. Wonder how he'll navigate that.

It's also possible that he thinks that Mack, Rants, Nuke, Landy, Lehky and Drouin is a fine top 6 and there's no need to add a 2C.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Might be a sliding scale of sorts.

If Calgary takes a 1st + RJ, then he sends multiple prospects and a 2nd to Anaheim for Henrique. If he doesn't, maybe he offers a 1st and one prospect for Henrique.

Verbeek was GM when they gave up a 2nd + Helleson (2nd rounder) for Manson.

Henrique's not perfect, but he should be an upgrade on Colton in a 2C role. 55 point pace vs a 42 point pace.

I mean Henrique plays 2-3 minutes more per game and probably way more on powerplay. Easy to rack up points with big playing time.(Compared to Colton).

They would be probably close in terms of output if teams changed and roles.

 

[Drury_Sakic]

Have wondered for awhile if there was a world where the Avs trade Byram for that second line center and then add to the blue line with more of a futures based deal. Guess that shows that might have been part of the plan.

Moving RyJo is going to be a big part of that type of deal though. And that may prove to be difficult.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Have wondered for awhile if there was a world where the Avs trade Byram for that second line center and then add to the blue line with more of a futures based deal. Guess that shows that might have been part of the plan.

Moving RyJo is going to be a big part of that type of deal though. And that may prove to be difficult.

I'm thinking we go for Phaneuf and Kessel.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

If he's sending G or Byram for Mittelstadt or something similar there's no reason to wait at the deadline to do that.

He's probably aiming for Henrique or Wennberg, which aren't worth a 1st pick. Problem is we're short of 2nd and 3rd picks. Wonder how he'll navigate that.

It's also possible that he thinks that Mack, Rants, Nuke, Landy, Lehky and Drouin is a fine top 6 and there's no need to add a 2C.

No there isn't but there would be a need to clear Ryjo's cap though for Cozens.

 

[The Moops]

I mean Henrique plays 2-3 minutes more per game and probably way more on powerplay. Easy to rack up points with big playing time.(Compared to Colton).

They would be probably close in terms of output if teams changed and roles.

I think Henrique puts up decent numbers with Nuke attached to his hip. Only NewJost couldn't

 

[Balthazar]

No there isn't but there would be a need to clear Ryjo's cap though.

No? Both dmen make more than CM.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

No? Both dmen make more than CM.

Sorry I added Cozens to my last post.

 

[The Moops]

That's close to how I view it, and I agree their draft record makes it harder, but that "competitive as long as possible" time frame, includes some very competitive teams with the best players in the world.

That makes a big difference between the Avs and just a good team being as competitive as long as possible.

Think about it this way. If the Avs went all in every year, there's a good chance they wouldn't have won last year anyway with all their missing players, and they wouldn't have Ritchie, because they probably traded that 1st round pick in a year they shouldn't have.

Which would mean they wouldn't have a potential cheap 2C with Ritchie in future years, that will allow them to keep good players like Val and Lehky, and have more shots at a Cup than they would have by going all in when they shouldn't have.

Also, they may not have Lehky, because they went all in a previous year for a worse player, and couldn't afford him. Manson too, who I think is very valuable in the playoffs, though some disagree.

That's the benefit of calculated aggression. You wait for the right players that fit your team well, and you believe you can keep so they can help you long term, and then you aggressively pursue them like we know the Avs did with Lehky all year. And you don't give up key players/prospects, you give up prospects like Barron or Helleson who play a position you have lots of depth in.

Just my opinion, but I think this is much closer to the optimal strategy for team building under the cap, than just rolling the dice by going all in every year.

I agree mostly. Just feel like you have to rip open the window and break it out of the wall if possible so you can win when you're at your peak. But I do think targeting guys like Lehky and Manson who they could sign were very shrewd moves. Time will tell though if keeping Manson over Naz was the right move

 

[Balthazar]

Sorry I added Cozens to my last post.

They aren't trading him though. He's the reason they want to trade CM.

 

[Foppa2118]

No there isn't but there would be a need to clear Ryjo's cap though for Cozens.

Cozens seems unlikely to me for a few reasons.

He's in the first year of his 7 year deal, so that makes it seem unlikely for Buffalo. Usually teams plan on building around players they sign long term, and rarely trade them the first year.

And for Colorado, he's actually on a worse pace this year than Henrique who should be much cheaper, and Cozens is locked into $7.1M for 7 years.

23 goal 55 point pace for Henrique vs 18 goal 53 point pace for Cozens.

Doesn't seem like the kind of move the Avs would gamble on, by giving up key pieces, but who knows.

 

[hpbuschmann]

VAN in talks with CAR about EP40

 

[The Moops]

VAN in talks with CAR about EP40

Again?

 

[Mighty Makar]

Again?

Or still?

 

[Snow Arc]

We knew he was bad at it since last season when we went with Compher as 2C and when he wasted a 2nd round draft pick to get retention on Lars f***ing Eller for no God damn reason.

Perhaps he was still learning the controls.

 

[dahrougem2]

I'm thinking we go for Phaneuf and Kessel.

Lol you remember, too.