Rumor: 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline

[Colorado Avalanche]

I kinda hope we keep him around, give him the LOC contract, if he'll take it.

It's going to take Wood contract I think. I'd do it. Throw him too many years for a bit lower salary. Basically I don't even expect him to finish it but it will keep the cap lower and in 4-6 years we are probably done anyway and we can buy it out for reasonable price me thinks.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

Apparently, EJ being held out at practice awaiting a trade maybe.

He's sick

 

[UncleRisto]

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I love these accounts. I'll tell you what you sniffed around on: bike seats. You sniffed bike seats around town.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

I love these accounts. I'll tell you what you sniffed around on: bike seats. You sniffed bike seats around town.

Yep. Total fraud.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

If we trade away Byram like everybody is so eager to do, we have:

Toews - Makar (will play 30 mins each a night)
Girard - Manson (G has a history of going invisible in the playoffs, Manson can get hurt or turn to shit at anytime)
Johnson - Jones/Malinski (just yikes asking this pairing to play meaningful minutes)

 

[John Mandalorian]

Yeah that's probably not the value although that would be amazing.

I think if Drouin is extended with the Avs, you're looking at $2.5M-$3M per year for 3-4 years. If he wants more, he can be a UFA and most likely get it on the open market but he's fit in well here.

It would be interesting to eavesdrop on conversations between he and Allan.

JD: I don't mind taking less to stay here.

AW: Do you realize what Ive been saying on Twitter? How dare you!

 

[sethro109]

If we trade away Byram like everybody is so eager to do, we have:

Toews - Makar (will play 30 mins each a night)
Girard - Manson (G has a history of going invisible in the playoffs, Manson can get hurt or turn to shit at anytime)
Johnson - Jones/Malinski (just yikes asking this pairing to play meaningful minutes)

Other than getting his sternum broken, the only series that I'd say G was terrible in was the Vegas one. I guess you could make an argument for the Dallas series, but we had a lot more issues there.

 

[Bender]

I'm kinda happy with this deal in the sense that it's the first big one that gets the ball-rolling and the price wasn't a 1st round pick+ and it gets the most sought-after UFA d-man off the market. I believe it kind of sets the market with more reasonable prices.

As far as a division rival getting better, there's no doubt that they do but at the same time - I don't think it makes them THAT much better and here's why :

If you listen to most flames fans and local pundits, they'll say ->

Hanifin is awesome
Andersson is awesome
Weegar is awesome
Tanev is awesome

With Markstrom having a great season this year - you would think that having such an amazeballs Top-4 must mean that they are one of the top teams in the league... not even close, they are unlikely to make the playoffs after they trade Hanifin. Is it Denis Gilbert's fault ? (Probably) Their team scoring is middle of the pack with 185 goals for (17th) so then what gives?? They are terrible on the PP (30th) but great on the PK (5th) so essentially, they should be winning close games on a regular basis.

Personally, I believe that the players listed above are overrated by their fans and by a lot of people. Improper slotting is an issue and I'm not sure there's a bona-fide top pairing D-Man in that bunch but more middle-pairing guys.

 

[henchman21]

IDK... Tanev is elite defensively while still being able to move the puck well. He's a perfect middle pairing guy to pair with Harley. They can then move Miro back with Lindell. Dallas badly needed a defensive oriented RD and IMO got the 2nd best one on the market (Walker is better). This was the biggest hole the Stars had roster wise and they got a good piece. Plus they still have 1sts and prospects to swing a bigger deal (Guentzel) for when they can convince the NHL that Seguin will miss the rest of the regular season.

 

[missionAvs]

IDK... Tanev is elite defensively while still being able to move the puck well. He's a perfect middle pairing guy to pair with Harley. They can then move Miro back with Lindell. Dallas badly needed a defensive oriented RD and IMO got the 2nd best one on the market (Walker is better). This was the biggest hole the Stars had roster wise and they got a good piece. Plus they still have 1sts and prospects to swing a bigger deal (Guentzel) for when they can convince the NHL that Seguin will miss the rest of the regular season.

Yeah Tanev at 75% retention is a no brainer. This was a great deal for them which sucks for us.

 

[Bender]

I'm kinda happy with this deal in the sense that it's the first big one that gets the ball-rolling and the price wasn't a 1st round pick+ and it gets the most sought-after UFA d-man off the market. I believe it kind of sets the market with more reasonable prices.

As far as a division rival getting better, there's no doubt that they do but at the same time - I don't think it makes them THAT much better and here's why :

If you listen to most flames fans and local pundits, they'll say ->

Hanifin is awesome
Andersson is awesome
Weegar is awesome
Tanev is awesome

With Markstrom having a great season this year - you would think that having such an amazeballs Top-4 must mean that they are one of the top teams in the league... not even close, they are unlikely to make the playoffs after they trade Hanifin. Is it Denis Gilbert's fault ? (Probably) Their team scoring is middle of the pack with 185 goals for (17th) so then what gives?? They are terrible on the PP (30th) but great on the PK (5th) so essentially, they should be winning close games on a regular basis.

Personally, I believe that the players listed above are overrated by their fans and by a lot of people. Improper slotting is an issue and I'm not sure there's a bona-fide top pairing D-Man in that bunch but more middle-pairing guys.

Oh yeah, I forgot - when they had Zadorov - he was awesome

IDK... Tanev is elite defensively while still being able to move the puck well. He's a perfect middle pairing guy to pair with Harley. They can then move Miro back with Lindell. Dallas badly needed a defensive oriented RD and IMO got the 2nd best one on the market (Walker is better). This was the biggest hole the Stars had roster wise and they got a good piece. Plus they still have 1sts and prospects to swing a bigger deal (Guentzel) for when they can convince the NHL that Seguin will miss the rest of the regular season.

He's good but he's injured a lot though.

 

[henchman21]

Yeah Tanev at 75% retention is a no brainer. This was a great deal for them which sucks for us.

Especially when you consider it is basically a 2nd and 3rd if you don't make the finals... or 2 2nds if you do. Grushnikov isn't a NHL worthy prospect as he just doesn't have much talent (though great leader and hard worker... so maybe long-term AHL leader sort).

I'm keenly interested in their work on wing now. They take the chance at Otter finding his way (and Wedgewood is a solid backup). They have plenty of centers and guys that can play there. One more wing, especially a high end goal scorer, would really fill out their top 9.

 

[henchman21]

He's good but he's injured a lot though.

So are... checks notes... all the Avs top guys.

That's just a natural risk. They needed a top 4 RD who could PK at a high level... they got exactly that. I would have pushed for Walker if I was in Nil's shoes as I prefer his puck moving ability and feet, but Tanev would be plan B. Stars have an obvious size preference which probably pushed them to Tanev.

I'm going to be curious how they deploy Hakanpaa and Lundkvist. Hakanpaa seems like the obvious bottom pairing guy to be paired with Suter. But I'd prefer the puck movement of Lundkvist to ease the load on Suter.

 

[Pokecheque]

Other than getting his sternum broken, the only series that I'd say G was terrible in was the Vegas one. I guess you could make an argument for the Dallas series, but we had a lot more issues there.

Yeah, I feel like this weird narrative around G has been blown WAY out of proportion, and I'm convinced that he was ineffective in that one Vegas series because he was hurt thanks to a cheap shot near the end of the season at the hands of that piece of shit Kevin Labanc.

 

[Bender]

So are... checks notes... all the Avs top guys.

That's just a natural risk. They needed a top 4 RD who could PK at a high level... they got exactly that. I would have pushed for Walker if I was in Nil's shoes as I prefer his puck moving ability and feet, but Tanev would be plan B. Stars have an obvious size preference which probably pushed them to Tanev.

I'm going to be curious how they deploy Hakanpaa and Lundkvist. Hakanpaa seems like the obvious bottom pairing guy to be paired with Suter. But I'd prefer the puck movement of Lundkvist to ease the load on Suter.

Yeah I get it but Tanev has only played 1 full season in the past 8 years and usually plays between 55-65 games. To me that's a bigger risk than most players but I guess that's just me.

I do agree with you that Walker is better though. If we do move out a d-man in a 'hockey trade', I wouldn't hate paying what needs to be paid to add him to the Avs. I think he'd fit in great here.

 

[henchman21]

Yeah I get it but Tanev has only played 1 full season in the past 8 years and usually plays between 55-65 games. To me that's a bigger risk than most players but I guess that's just me.

I do agree with you that Walker is better though. If we do move out a d-man in a 'hockey trade', I wouldn't hate paying what needs to be paid to add him to the Avs. I think he'd fit in great here.

It was a 'full' season in 19-20 due to the pandemic and he hasn't missed a game this year. In a different way of putting it... he's played 328 games since the start of 2019 and Makar has played 293. I think Girard and Toews are the only defensemen from the Avs to have 300+ games.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Other than getting his sternum broken, the only series that I'd say G was terrible in was the Vegas one. I guess you could make an argument for the Dallas series, but we had a lot more issues there.

I agree, but it's specifically the Vegas' and Winnipegs of the conference that I worry about G in a 7 game series just getting plastered over and over as a result of the relentless forecheck. Everybody else, I'm more than confident he handles it but those two teams, specifically, can massacre him. I'm not comfortable with any of our 3rd pairing scrubs stepping into a top 4 role if that happens.

The luxury of having 5 quality defensemen is not just less minutes but also the insurance of moving a more-than-able player up in the event of an injury.

I'd rather sacrifice futures with 1sts and prospects than move Byram. Bowen Byram, in the year 2024, gives us a better chance to win than whatever is in the cubbard.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Especially when you consider it is basically a 2nd and 3rd if you don't make the finals... or 2 2nds if you do. Grushnikov isn't a NHL worthy prospect as he just doesn't have much talent (though great leader and hard worker... so maybe long-term AHL leader sort).

I'm keenly interested in their work on wing now. They take the chance at Otter finding his way (and Wedgewood is a solid backup). They have plenty of centers and guys that can play there. One more wing, especially a high end goal scorer, would really fill out their top 9.

Would have to think Buch and Guentzel end up in either Edmonton, Dallas or New York.

 

[henchman21]

What I really want as a defensemen is a RD that can PK at a high level. Mostly to limit that wear and tear on Makar. If he can step up to overtake minutes from Manson, great. If not somebody to at least limit some of the harder minutes.

 

[Jayevs]

I’m definitely suspecting the Avs either do nothing at the deadline or overpay for one of Wennberg/roslovic/kerfoot types then maybe go after Stephenson in the off-season to supposedly be the second last team out of it and wind up with no 2 C solution again lol.

I’d be all over moving Johansen + G/Byram/Manson for one of the ~8M long term signed centres around the league (Norris/Cozens/Thompson/Zbad/Hertl/PLD)

 

[expatriatedtexan]

What I really want as a defensemen is a RD that can PK at a high level. Mostly to limit that wear and tear on Makar. If he can step up to overtake minutes from Manson, great. If not somebody to at least limit some of the harder minutes.

By gawd...Is that Erik Johnson's music I hear playing??!!!

Just kidding, hoss.

 

[The Abusement Park]

What I really want as a defensemen is a RD that can PK at a high level. Mostly to limit that wear and tear on Makar. If he can step up to overtake minutes from Manson, great. If not somebody to at least limit some of the harder minutes.

Is Carrier a decent PK’er? I know he’s a righty.

Granted I think Peeke would
Be the depth D we trade for if I had to guess.

 

[henchman21]

Is Carrier a decent PK’er? I know he’s a righty.

Granted I think Peeke would
Be the depth D we trade for if I had to guess.

Decent... though I wouldn't consider him an ace PK guy.

 

[Balthazar]

Trade Targets: Noah Hanifin is holding the Calgary Flames hostage in trade talks

The list of teams Hanifin is whispering he’s interested in signing with is limiting Calgary’s market.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

So the asking price for our guy is 2nd + 3rd …add another 3rd for retention.

We don’t have those picks.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Decent... though I wouldn't consider him an ace PK guy.

Just thinking of righty’s… There’s Dumba but idk if he’s the right guy to pair with Byram on the 3rd pair.

Trade Targets: Noah Hanifin is holding the Calgary Flames hostage in trade talks

The list of teams Hanifin is whispering he’s interested in signing with is limiting Calgary’s market.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

So the asking price for our guy is 2nd + 3rd …add another 3rd for retention.

We don’t have those picks.

Which guy?