Rumor: 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline

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At the deadline, the cap can be figured out. Between retention, sending players to the minors or money in/money out... plenty of ways to make it work. The Cap isn't a huge limitation right now.

Just say the Avs wanted Guentzel and Neddy from Pit. Get Pitt to retain 50% on both. Run Guentzel through Chicago and add a 3rd for another 50%. Then you have the duo for a cap hit of 2.25m. Just sending Dermy down leaves the Avs like 20k short (though Avs would send down Annunen and have to figure out 250k).

Or in a different, more realistic trade... Avs grab Wennberg + Dreiger from Seattle, both at 50%... run both through Detroit for a 3rd and a 5th for another 50%. They end up with the Avs at a cap hit of 1.7. Send down Annunen and that leaves ~300k worth of room. Where they could send down Jones and Wags to run a minimum roster (I doubt they would, but could) to open up a $2m space for another move... where even directly they could add a ~4m guy at 50% retention.

The cap is an issue to start the season and move through the first half or so... after that, you can find maneuverability quite easily. Especially at the deadline where ~1m retained is more like 250k (sometimes much less with signing bonuses) in real dollars.
Opening up cap space isn’t the problem. I forgot Annunen and Dermy are also options to send down. The issue is, do the Avs have enough picks and prospects to make all those moves they need to make, like a 2C, 4C and goalie. They have to get teams to retain on salaries, they don’t have a 2nd round pick

Does Annunen need to clear waivers to be sent down? If so, Avs probably won’t take that chance because he may very well get claimed
 

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They could pay to get Mittelstadt. They'd be able to fit in his $2.5M salary this season without moving RyJo.

Otherwise, it would have to be a hockey trade but it's certainly not impossible.

As far as the RyJo has to go thing, all I'm saying is the Avs aren't going to pay to make him go away and then fail to use the cap space they just create just for the sake of getting him off the team.

We aren't trading Ritchie or Gulyayev so who do we have that Buffalo would want?

Hes a pending RFA so hes not a rental, hes 25 and their leading scorer. They aren't giving him up for free.

I think a Byram for Mittlestadt straight up trade would work but does Buffalo even need a Dman? They have Dahlin and Power already on the left side.
 

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Opening up cap space isn’t the problem. I forgot Annunen and Dermy are also options to send down. The issue is, do the Avs have enough picks and prospects to make all those moves they need to make, like a 2C, 4C and goalie. They have to get teams to retain on salaries, they don’t have a 2nd round pick
Depends on how much salary it is... but at the deadline 2nd-6th (with 3rd-5th being most) is what it normally takes. Outside 24/25 2nd and 24 3rd... Avs have picks in the rest of those rounds. So they have the actual assets to spend to get retention. Then with the next 3 firsts, Ritchie, Goulash, Behrens, etc. They have enough pieces to make deals for all of those spots. That doesn't even get into Byram or Girard. I think realistically they can fill 4-5 spots if they wanted to with those pieces... including a 2C and #4D as more impact level.

The wherewithal to spend them is a completely different question.
 
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Depends on how much salary it is... but at the deadline 2nd-6th (with 3rd-5th being most) is what it normally takes. Outside 24/25 2nd and 24 3rd... Avs have picks in the rest of those rounds. So they have the actual assets to spend to get retention. Then with the next 3 firsts, Ritchie, Goulash, Behrens, etc. They have enough pieces to make deals for all of those spots. That doesn't even get into Byram or Girard. I think realistically they can fill 4-5 spots if they wanted to with those pieces... including a 2C and #4D as more impact level.

The wherewithal to spend them is a completely different question.

We aren't trading Ritchie or Gulayayev and we never trade our 1st round picks. Maybe Behrens if we don't trade Girard.

So how do we aquire a center without emptying our already weak farm system?
 

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We aren't trading Ritchie or Gulayayev and we never trade our 1st round picks. Maybe Behrens if we don't trade Girard.

So how do we aquire a center without emptying our already weak farm system?
Please read the last sentence
 

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Depends on how much salary it is... but at the deadline 2nd-6th (with 3rd-5th being most) is what it normally takes. Outside 24/25 2nd and 24 3rd... Avs have picks in the rest of those rounds. So they have the actual assets to spend to get retention. Then with the next 3 firsts, Ritchie, Goulash, Behrens, etc. They have enough pieces to make deals for all of those spots. That doesn't even get into Byram or Girard. I think realistically they can fill 4-5 spots if they wanted to with those pieces... including a 2C and #4D as more impact level.

The wherewithal to spend them is a completely different question.
I still think they need to somehow include RyJo in a trade. Whatever they do, is RyJo gonna stay and be the 4C? Assuming we get a 2C and Colton drops down to 3C. RyJo at 4C just doesn’t make any sense. He doesn’t play defense, or PK, doesn’t really check. Definitely doesn’t play with an energy. All he does is take faceoffs and he’s decent at it, but that’s not enough for a 4C roll. And we know he’s definitely not a 2C
 

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All I keep reading is that Cmac should’ve traded for a 2C already. Why would any team that’s thinking of selling, do it way before the bidding begins closer to deadline? Lindholm and Monahan were the only ones and this board would’ve erupted if Cmac paid either of those prices.
And further to this I would argue that those two were moved that early because their GM were very afraid their value would go down. If Lindholm had kept playing on CGY the way he is playing right now on VAN is value would have dropped. And I am sure the Habs were scared that Monahan would get hurt again. So better trade those guys while the return is pretty good than wait and get a lot less or nothing at all.
 

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This is a lie, they have plenty of reasonable to quality assets. Plenty to sure up some holes in the roster and balance out the team.

CMac is just too big of p***y to use anything. Then the worst f***ing part is when he does finally decide to get off his lazy ass, he almost always overpays at the deadline for some crap ass vet, that will be lucky to score 1 goal, because he waited far too long and got desperate.
What are all those TDL deals you are talking about that CMac overpaid for besides Eller?
 

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I still think they need to somehow include RyJo in a trade. Whatever they do, is RyJo gonna stay and be the 4C? Assuming we get a 2C and Colton drops down to 3C. RyJo at 4C just doesn’t make any sense. He doesn’t play defense, or PK, doesn’t really check. Definitely doesn’t play with an energy. All he does is take faceoffs and he’s decent at it, but that’s not enough for a 4C roll. And we know he’s definitely not a 2C
That is going to cost because of the extra year... basically you're asking the team to spent at least ~4m (and cap hit for 2.25 seasons) or a little over $5m and a $4m cap hit next year. That's not quite 1st level money, but close.
 

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That is going to cost because of the extra year... basically you're asking the team to spent at least ~4m (and cap hit for 2.25 seasons) or a little over $5m and a $4m cap hit next year. That's not quite 1st level money, but close.
Yeah, It will cost the Avs to get rid of RyJo, but I just don’t see a fit for him on this team rest of the season and playoffs unless the Avs just decide to go with what they have now. Colton at 2C and RyJo at 3C, and all CMac does is pick up a 4C, but we know if this happens, the Avs won’t go very far.

What else do you do with RyJo? Avs need a 4th line to play with pace and energy, they need a 4C who can kill penalties, play hard and provide that energy and win faceoffs. RyJo does none of this other than win faceoffs.
 

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We aren't trading Ritchie or Gulyayev so who do we have that Buffalo would want?

Hes a pending RFA so hes not a rental, hes 25 and their leading scorer. They aren't giving him up for free.

I think a Byram for Mittlestadt straight up trade would work but does Buffalo even need a Dman? They have Dahlin and Power already on the left side.
BUF need a RD and I believe they were scouting Byram on the right side to see if that would work for them. What they are thinking about that now is everybody's guess.
 

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If Laughton and Fatty are the guys they are looking at, you can be sure a 1st and one of the top 3 prospects is in play. The price on Laughton is astronomical for the quality of player he is.
Laughton would be a good add if we still had Kadri and needed to replace Compher… but he’d be a horrific add currently unless it’s in tandem with a 2C.
 
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