Rumor: 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline

[henchman21]

Wheeler ranked him 4th, Pronman had him at 7, Sportsnet at 6, HockeyNews at 6, Cam Robinson at 9, McKenzie at 6, Hockey Writers at 5, Rotowire at 7, NHL.com at 5. A 45 second google search makes it clear that the dude was an easy fringe top 5 pick going into that draft regardless of whatever size queen point you’re trying to make.

Yup… Team draft lists are all over the place. The idea of consensus beyond a guy or two just is really rare.

I think the Avs will make a couple moves. It is just a matter of size.

 

[Balthazar]

So, how freaked out will everyone be when it's Noon on TDLD and CMac hasn't done anything?

Happened last year so...

 

[nammerus]

Oettinger is the Stars best hope to make a run. He's sporting a 901 sv% this year and had a 895% last year in the playoffs.

By comparison, Georgiev has a 909% this year and a 914% last playoffs.

Might want to double check your math on him this year if you want to start pumping his tires.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Yup… Team draft lists are all over the place. The idea of consensus beyond a guy or two just is really rare.

I think the Avs will make a couple moves. It is just a matter of size.

And I'm sure it's 100% team dependent like you said, but if the Avs picked Cozens its not like it would've been a Seider(at the time) or KK type reach imo.

 

[nammerus]

Dallas was also on the second game of a B2B and if you watch the game they were better than the Avs the first 40. They ran out of gas and Georgiev didnt fourgiev.

The Avs finally figured out how to beat a playoff team post-ASB. Play them on a B2B.

Let the CMac'stans have this one.

 

[Foppa2118]

You're forgetting Lehky, Manson, Bura and Kadri. But yeah, RyJo will be a permanent stain on their record.

In addition to Val, Toews, Lehky, Manson, Bura and Kadri, the pro scouts have also done pretty well with Saad, Girard, Colton, Wood, Calvert, Drouin, Cogs, JJ, Bellemare, and Helm.

NAK and Malgin were decent too. Same with Soda, Nemeth, and Nieto in their first stints. Parise and Wagner may turn out to be as well. Caleb Jones is decent as a depth guy and Tufte still might turn out to be something.

Even Graves for all his faults was an upgrade on Bigras. Andrighetto was an upgrade on Martinsen too.

Can't expect them to bat 1000. I'd put them up with most team's pro scouts in terms of not only finding solid NHLers, but ones that fit the way the team and coach likes to play. RJ and Tatar were desperation gambles.

 

[nammerus]

Man all the sleepy CMac stuff in this thread is tiring. There's been one trade.. for a defenseman, something we don't need.

The guy will make a trade people. There's a week left.

Didn't realize Lindholm played for the Canucks the whole year. Wonder when that trade happened.

 

[The Moops]

RJ and Tatar were desperation gambles

Tatar can't be held against CMac or the scouts. Zero downside there. Worth the gamble. Actually a little surprised he didn't do better here

 

[Balthazar]

Tatar can't be held against CMac or the scouts. Zero downside there. Worth the gamble. Actually a little surprised he didn't do better here

He was stapled to RyJo.

 

[Foppa2118]

Since Feb 8th (2nd Canucks game)

Elias Lindholm - 11 games 2 goals 2 assists
Ryan Johansen - 9 games 2 goals 2 assists

(kinda)

 

[the_fan]

Since Feb 8th (2nd Canucks game)

Elias Lindholm - 11 games 2 goals 2 assists
Ryan Johansen - 11 games 2 goals 2 assists

(kinda)

Monahan is kicking ass though

 

[Foppa2118]

Monahan is kicking ass though

True. I would have been ok giving him a shot, but I also think the skating concerns were fair for this Avs team. Especially after gambling on RJ for the same role.

 

[Freaky Styley]

Might want to double check your math on him this year if you want to start pumping his tires.

Must have misread or looked at the wrong line (or the website was wrong). Anyway, I'm not pumping any tires, it doesn't change much. Their save %;s are separated by .001% (obviously last game helped that in both directions).

Point is, Oettinger has been near equally bad as Georgiev this year, and Stars fans will back that. There's no advantage there for them based on current play. Both guys have shown to get hot and be brick walls, Georgiev more recently.

 

[the_fan]

True. I would have been ok giving him a shot, but I also think the skating concerns were fair for this Avs team. Especially after gambling on RJ for the same role.

He’d still be a much better option than RyJo. Also Avs would finally have a guy who could score from the bumper spot on PP. They’ve tried bunch of guys there and so far haven’t found one who can do it. Monahan is good at it

 

[Freaky Styley]

Didn't realize Lindholm played for the Canucks the whole year. Wonder when that trade happened.

Lindholm is a UFA that we can't re-sign. He doesn't fix any holes long term and he is having a down year. Look at how he's been since joining the Canucks and their record overall since. Nothing worth paying a premium for

 

[Gruyeriev]

He going wait around and be left with Lars Eller.

Probably

Happened last year so...

You are mis-underestimating him

 

[JLo217]

Man all the sleepy CMac stuff in this thread is tiring. There's been one trade.. for a defenseman, something we don't need.

The guy will make a trade people. There's a week left.

Uhm... teams the Avs are in competition with, both from Canada have added Center depth. While not Avs fits IMO, they've done something.

 

[McMetal]

I think the only way they 'fix it' by trading RyJo to get the cap savings is if they are going to be needing that cap space because they've got another trade lined-up.

Although maybe not the greatest option, I think that management would prefer to keep him for the playoffs over just not having him at all.

I just don't see how the Avs could fit a meaningful, difference-making 2C under the cap at the deadline while also holding on to what is essentially $4m in dead cap with RyJo. I mean, if the Avs go after Henrique at 50% they could probably make it work, but Henrique wouldn't move the needle in the playoffs at 2C and we all know it.

RyJo has got to go. He's an offensive black hole and a massive defensive liability. I don't have a huge problem with the Avs making that gamble to have him for free over the summer, but they rolled a 1 and it's time for plan D, no sense in chasing sunk costs at this point with him. Get rid of his useless ass and his cap hit and try to find a creative upgrade.

 

[Freaky Styley]

Uhm... teams the Avs are in competition with, both from Canada have added Center depth. While not Avs fits IMO, they've done something.

Ya but you just admitted they weren't fits. So you're saying you'd rather CMac trade for players that aren't fits then make no trades at all?

If other guys like Henrique, Nelson, etc etc start to go and we do nothing, then I get the unrest. Right now it's unfounded, solely based on his actions last season - which I'm sure at the time he knew more than us about their chances. I don't anticipate them making the same mistake, but I also don't anticipate making a move to solve the 2C issue long-term. You can't control what's out there.

No matter what happens this season, if that isn't addressed in the offseason then yes, fire the man.

I just don't see how the Avs could fit a meaningful, difference-making 2C under the cap at the deadline while also holding on to what is essentially $4m in dead cap with RyJo. I mean, if the Avs go after Henrique at 50% they could probably make it work, but Henrique wouldn't move the needle in the playoffs at 2C and we all know it.

RyJo has got to go. He's an offensive black hole and a massive defensive liability. I don't have a huge problem with the Avs making that gamble to have him for free over the summer, but they rolled a 1 and it's time for plan D, no sense in chasing sunk costs at this point with him. Get rid of his useless ass and his cap hit and try to find a creative upgrade.

Who is the difference making 2C available at the deadline that would necessitate a RyJo move? Nelson would probably be my only answer, and there's no certainty he's even available.

I'm 90% sure we are getting Henrique, and I'm okay with that. Although I'd like to upgrade somewhere else to go along with that. I'd like the ability to make Cogs/RyJo the 13th forward and/or push Wood down to #4LW. In that sense I see the benefit of paying to move RyJo's cap, and there's enough guys available

Drouin - MacKinnon - Nichuskin
Lehkonen - Henrique - Rantanen
Wood - Colton - LOC
Cogs - RyJo - Parise
Kiviranta/Kovalenko

i.e. someone like Kubalik/Zucker/R.Smith to add some extra punch

Obviously a lot depends on Kovaenko/Landeskog in that regard.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

So, how freaked out will everyone be when it's Noon on TDLD and CMac hasn't done anything?

I think expectations are lowering day by day. At that point we are just screwed.

He should have tried to make a deal long time ago, because we keep overplaying our star players.

Happened last year so...

This is almost Michael Scott level stuff. Lmao.

 

[AvsCOL]

I’m so scared for this deadline. I really don’t think CMac has what it takes, but I’d love to be wrong. Sucks seeing all the Avs rivals being aggressive, and Colorado wasting time putting Johansen on the ice

 

[Alienblood]

I think expectations are lowering day by day. At that point we are just screwed.

He should have tried to make a deal long time ago, because we keep overplaying our star players.


This is almost Michael Scott level stuff. Lmao.

well if the Oiiers get Guentzel what the point

Gotta hand it to Kenny Holland he's a winner.

 

[Avaholic29]

All I keep reading is that Cmac should’ve traded for a 2C already. Why would any team that’s thinking of selling, do it way before the bidding begins closer to deadline? Lindholm and Monahan were the only ones and this board would’ve erupted if Cmac paid either of those prices.

 

[niwotsblessing]

All I keep reading is that Cmac should’ve traded for a 2C already. Why would any team that’s thinking of selling, do it way before the bidding begins closer to deadline? Lindholm and Monahan were the only ones and this board would’ve erupted if Cmac paid either of those prices.

Many folks here have inside info about the phone calls CMac has made, what offers are on the table, and even what he's already said "no" to. Amazing!

 

[Bender]

I just don't see how the Avs could fit a meaningful, difference-making 2C under the cap at the deadline while also holding on to what is essentially $4m in dead cap with RyJo. I mean, if the Avs go after Henrique at 50% they could probably make it work, but Henrique wouldn't move the needle in the playoffs at 2C and we all know it.

RyJo has got to go. He's an offensive black hole and a massive defensive liability. I don't have a huge problem with the Avs making that gamble to have him for free over the summer, but they rolled a 1 and it's time for plan D, no sense in chasing sunk costs at this point with him. Get rid of his useless ass and his cap hit and try to find a creative upgrade.

They could pay to get Mittelstadt. They'd be able to fit in his $2.5M salary this season without moving RyJo.

Otherwise, it would have to be a hockey trade but it's certainly not impossible.

As far as the RyJo has to go thing, all I'm saying is the Avs aren't going to pay to make him go away and then fail to use the cap space they just create just for the sake of getting him off the team.