Boston Bruins 22-‘23 Bruins roster and trade proposals discussions. VII

[Gonzothe7thDman]

The real ? with Chychurn is Arizona. They didn't deal him last year when there was all kinds of offers and smoke - who's to say they'll let him go this year.

Hell, who's to say what the hell they're doing down there at all.

With the deal Chychrun is on I feel like his value is always gonna be higher today rather than tomorrow. Getting 2 and a half seasons with him at 4.6 has to hold more value than getting 1 and a half I would think.

Part of the draw with Chychrun isn't just how good he is, by also the sweetheart deal with term he is on.

 

[ON3M4N]

Add to that Pagnotta did say "We know Boston has been poking around on Chychurn for the last little while going back to really last off-season". So where's there's smoke there's fire and he would be a whole lot easier to fit Cap wise than some of the big name forwards who are out there. Just depends on the price, like everything else, and of course the Bruins Im sure aren't the only team talking to the yotes about Chychurn

The problem is ARZ wants the moon for him. Last I saw they wanted two 1st round picks + a prospect or young roster player. That's big ask for a guy that's racking up injuries and a UFA in two years.

2022-2023
Missed 16 games (wrist injury)

2021-2022
Missed 24 games (ankle injury)
Missed 11 games (upper body injury)

2019-2020
Missed 7 games (hip injury)

2018-2019
Missed 4 games (upper body injury)
Missed 2 games (upper body injury)

2017-2018
Missed 2 games (lower body injury)
Missed 28 games (knee injury)

Don't get me wrong the kids is a very very good player, but that's a steep price to pay.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

With the deal Chychrun is on I feel like his value is always gonna be higher today rather than tomorrow. Getting 2 and a half seasons with him at 4.6 has to hold more value than getting 1 and a half I would think.

Part of the draw with Chychrun isn't just how good he is, by also the sweetheart deal with term he is on.

He can play RD also.

 

[Patdud]

I'm going to ignore mindless speculation and focus on them fitting Toews in since that's who the insiders who are kind enough to feed us info are telling us they are LITERALLY going to try and trade for.

They aren't trading for Chychurn this season for one main reason alone, it will cost you Gryz and we already know they aren't bombing the locker room during a magical run. maybe in the offseason but even then they need Gryz's money to fit a center not a redundant piece with Lindholm signed for 8 years.

 

[Dizzay]

@DominicT do you feel that if there's a deal to be made with the Bruins, 3rd team and Hawks around a double retention, when do you see the Bruins pushing for that? Closer to deadline or ASAP?

 

[Kegs]

Beecher straight up won't do it. We value Lafferty differently so we won't agree.

Lafferty isn’t worth Beecher. He worth a 5th at best.

 

[LouJersey]

Couple under the radar guys I might look at are Roslovic and Vrana (at 50%) retained.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Lafferty isn’t worth Beecher. He worth a 5th at best.

We'll see as he is having a career year. I value him higher than you and that's ok.

 

[Kegs]

I'm going to ignore mindless speculation and focus on them fitting Toews in since that's who the insiders who are kind enough to feed us info are telling us they are LITERALLY going to try and trade for.

They aren't trading for Chychurn this season for one main reason alone, it will cost you Gryz and we already know they aren't bombing the locker room during a magical run. maybe in the offseason but even then they need Gryz's money to fit a center not a redundant piece with Lindholm signed for 8 years.

Mehhhh. I disagree. I think they are very much in the conversation for chychurn.

Chychurn > Toews.

Younger, bigger, faster, plays more minutes, blocks more shots. Substantially cheaper even with salary retention. Has a bit of term.

I’d be happy with either player. I’m just saying the trade for chychurn would make this team so much better than a trade for Toews. That’s my opinion any ways.

Chychurn is elite and young.

If anything bruins don’t get chychurn because they lose the bidding war. Leafs need him way more than Boston. I bet leaf’s are going to put forward a massive offer.

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

@DominicT I notice lately I've been having lower back pain when I wake up in the morning. Should I be doing more stretching and drinking more water?

I'll hang up and listen thanks.

 

[Patdud]

If anything bruins don’t get chychurn because they lose the bidding war. Leafs need him way more than Boston. I bet leaf’s are going to put forward a massive offer.

I look forward to them throwing out a massive package for him and he gets put on IR a week or so later after yet another season ending surgery

 

[KillerMillerTime]

The problem is ARZ wants the moon for him. Last I saw they wanted two 1st round picks + a prospect or young roster player. That's big ask for a guy that's racking up injuries and a UFA in two years.

2022-2023
Missed 16 games (wrist injury)

2021-2022
Missed 24 games (ankle injury)
Missed 11 games (upper body injury)

2019-2020
Missed 7 games (hip injury)

2018-2019
Missed 4 games (upper body injury)
Missed 2 games (upper body injury)

2017-2018
Missed 2 games (lower body injury)
Missed 28 games (knee injury)

Don't get me wrong the kids is a very very good player, but that's a steep price to pay.

As far as the picks go, if they end up being 32 and say 24 are you really going to lose sleep over it? Even going on the assumption its Lysell going you think that's not worth it?

 

[LouJersey]

We'll see as he is having a career year. I value him higher than you and that's ok.

Yeah I doubt they would take Beecher for him. Nice player

 

[ON3M4N]

As far as the picks go, if they end up being 32 and say 24 are you really going to lose sleep over it? Even going on the assumption its Lysell going you think that's not worth it?

I don't, no. That's why I said the price is steep. I also don't think LHD is a need for this team.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

I don't, no. That's why I said the price is steep. I also don't think LHD is a need for this team.

I know he is a LD but I watched about 7-8 Coyotes games last year and he played RD in a couple of them and didn't look like he had issues with it.

 

[quietbruinfan]

For Bruindust: Nosek has chronic injuries, one of which kept him from taking faceoffs. I do not think Nosek will be healthy the entire year. He may play eventually, but faceoffs and speed remain problematic. They need a bottom six center with speed. Heck thy could use a guy capable of top six center minutes with speed. (Where is Riley Nash? I kid, I kid.) Edit A guy like Roslovic would be interesting, but he is much too erratic and streaky. You also have Coyle....

 

[rocketdan9]

Blackhawks have mined a deadline-day diamond in the rough in Sam Lafferty

Lafferty brings speed, tenacity and the ability to slide onto either of a team’s penalty-killing units. He can hound pucks, create havoc on the penalty kill and finish his checks.

www.yardbarker.com

Lafferty potential fit with ..

• Boston Bruins: Tomas Nosek should be back in a few weeks, but as insurance, the Bruins have the luxury of adding Lafferty for this year given their cap flexibility. Their cap situation is tight next year with bonus overages due, but he could give them certainty heading into next year with a lot of their forward group expiring.

Comparable Trade Returns​

It was only 13 months ago that the Blackhawks acquired Lafferty from the Pittsburgh Penguins in exchange for Alex Nylander, when the Hawks were trying to dump his expensive one-way contract. The trade has worked out beautifully for GM Kyle Davidson.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

As far as the picks go, if they end up being 32 and say 24 are you really going to lose sleep over it? Even going on the assumption its Lysell going you think that's not worth it?

Is the upgrade from Gryz to Chychurn really worth Lysell or Lohrei, and a #1 or 2 #1s?

I'm not the biggest Gryz fan, but i don't see that. And I don't really see any of them instead playing their offside, and i can't take forbort out of the lineup.

I think they can win the cup with the D they have, and i think having Reilly, Zboril, and Stralman is good depth.

The forward Depth on the other hand is terrifying.

I know he is a LD but I watched about 7-8 Coyotes games last year and he played RD in a couple of them and didn't look like he had issues with it.

But does moving him to RHD solve any of the problems. I guess you almost have to trade Carlo away then. You can bench Cliffy, but he doesn't deserve it, and even if you do the pairings, aren't great, as you likely end up with Carlo and Forbort full time as a pairing

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Is the upgrade from Gryz to Chychurn really worth Lysell or Lohrei, and a #1 or 2 #1s?

I'm not the biggest Gryz fan, but i don't see that. And I don't really see any of them instead playing their offside, and i can't take forbort out of the lineup.

I think they can win the cup with the D they have, and i think having Reilly, Zboril, and Stralman is good depth.

The forward Depth on the other hand is terrifying.



But does moving him to RHD solve any of the problems. I guess you almost have to trade Carlo away then. You can bench Cliffy, but he doesn't deserve it, and even if you do the pairings, aren't great, as you likely end up with Carlo and Forbort full time as a pairing

If Chychrun happens - and I doubt it does very much - I don’t think AZ wants Grizz back. I would see the Bruins putting Chychrun in for Forbort and playing a Grizz-Clifton third pair with Forbort as the 7th D.

We’re going to need 8D for the playoffs minimum using history as a guide. The issue with Forbort is he basically makes every pair he plays in be bad except Clifton. Pushing him down gives Monty more versatile options to move around the pairs. You could potentially have one of McAvky, Lindholm, or Chychrun on the ice at all times…

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

He can play RD also.

I wouldn't spend the assets necessary to get a player like that to then play him on his off-side where he's less effective.

Its nice that he can play both in a pinch but hes stronger on the left.

 

[The don godfather]

Dom had Hall and Lindholm as targets, so he's the only guy to go by as far as I'm concerned. You have all these national guys and nobody had Horvat to the Isles as even a rumor.


Is this slapstick? Sweeney would gladly include Lysell for a top pair defenseman on a sweetheart contract.

Lysell could be a pasta hes off limits I bet.

 

[BlackFrancis]

If Chychrun happens - and I doubt it does very much - I don’t think AZ wants Grizz back. I would see the Bruins putting Chychrun in for Forbort and playing a Grizz-Clifton third pair with Forbort as the 7th D.

We’re going to need 8D for the playoffs minimum using history as a guide. The issue with Forbort is he basically makes every pair he plays in be bad except Clifton. Pushing him down gives Monty more versatile options to move around the pairs. You could potentially have one of McAvky, Lindholm, or Chychrun on the ice at all times…

Two LD that can't play the PK?

I know you're just playing devil's advocate, but still.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Two LD that can't play the PK?

I know you're just playing devil's advocate, but still.

Well that’s the general issue we have with the defense - and yes I am devils advocating - but to me that would be the play should they acquire Chychrun. Take the hit on the PK and play Chychrun there with Carlo. Arizona’s recent trade history and their public demands indicate there’s no way they want an older player with term in return so unless Grizz is moved in another deal, that would be the lineup.

You’d probably be looking at 1st, Lohrei, and Lysell for him and to me that’s way too much for an upgrade on Grizz.

 

[BruinDust]

Beecher straight up won't do it. We value Lafferty differently so we won't agree.

I really have no idea of Beecher's value or Lafferty's for that matter.

What is it about Lafferty that you value? I just see a fringe-level player getting an opportunity and producing on a really bad team that isn't likely to translate over to a better team. Happens all the time. I could see him as a 4th line right winger but he's not replacing Nosek in the middle who Monty is a big fan of. I'm asking honestly because I haven't seen him play this year can't say I've been watching many Blackhawk games.

For Bruindust: Nosek has chronic injuries, one of which kept him from taking faceoffs. I do not think Nosek will be healthy the entire year. He may play eventually, but faceoffs and speed remain problematic. They need a bottom six center with speed. Heck thy could use a guy capable of top six center minutes with speed. (Where is Riley Nash? I kid, I kid.) Edit A guy like Roslovic would be interesting, but he is much too erratic and streaky. You also have Coyle....

If Nosek is unable to take face-offs due to injury than that is something that needs to be addressed certainly.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Lysell could be a pasta hes off limits I bet.

And Lohrei could be a McAvoy.

But I really doubt it.