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21/22 Roster Speculation Thread Part VIII

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Jim Bob said:
I hope that Adams can make some smart trades to take advantage of other teams having cap issues. That is a way better path forward than signing UFAs. That is how you get the Skinner and Okposo contracts.
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There's nothing wrong with trades or signing UFAs. Just don't make the wrong trades or sign the wrong UFAs. Either way, it's best for most of the roster to be made up of players you drafted, like TB. But even TB has key players they acquired through trade (and sign) or UFA.

The key is to just always make the right moves, be it draft, trade or ufa :laugh::sarcasm:

But seriously, all 3 are needed to assemble a roster to win the cup.

We're now also in a completely different position than we were with GMTM. The cupboards are overflowing with talented players we've drafted and developed and we're adding more to the pipeline this year. We're still lacking an NHL ready goalie, but UPL and Levi both look promising. It's time to start making some moves via trade or UFA to augment the talent we've drafted. We can't keep playing scared to make a splash in trades or UFA just because prior GMs made mistakes at both.

We should 100% be leveraging our cap space to acquire some actual NHL players through trade.

edit: and signing a GOOD ufa
 
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Sounds like many people here would rather re-sign Dell and trade for Shea Weber than trade one of our 1st rounders.
 
Jacob582 said:
Sounds like many people here would rather re-sign Dell and trade for Shea Weber than trade one of our 1st rounders.
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Depending for who, I would be willing to trade one of 1st for the right deal, but it's not easy.
 
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ValJamesDuex said:
Got a feeling this is the end for Casey here.
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A bit dramatic there. The other 3 lines played pretty darned well last night (yes, even Eakin's line....*gasp*).

So ease him in to make sure his body responds. It's not like he has a lengthy injury history. He most certainly has a spot on this team when healthy.
 
Chainshot said:
Can you clarify what you mean?

They did put players in Rochester who they wanted to take steps - many have taken bigger strides than even the optimistic fans would likely have - and didn't put hard to move guys in front of them. Krebs and Samuelsson appear to have graduated. It's probable that Quinn has as well. It's possible Luukkonen will be joining them in Buffalo sooner rather than later.

They did bring in some people who have very much helped the roster in Tuch, Anderson and Pysyk who were external. Are you advocating that they need to deal picks or prospects to try to get better immediately?
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Picks, Prospects, players on our current roster. The only real untouchables at this point is probably Dahlin and Power. While I think we are closer in our forward group than we are on D, we have room to improve and upgrade everywhere. If the opportunity comes to add a top line winger or center this summer, given the assets we have, we should certainly pursue it.

Dirty Dog said:
rochester is not the place for young NHL quality players that need to develop. Power, Quinn, Peterka, Cozens, Samuelsson, krebs, Mitts, and Thompson all need to be the NHL for most of next season. They need spots. Playing them and developing them is not nonsensical. It’s actually how most teams build their roster.

Just like your approach of being aggressive and using all resources and assets to improve the roster isnt nonsensical. Heck, GM Murray would agree with you!
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Honestly, that is exactly what the AHL is. It's a development league. Its about transitioning from a Jr/NCAA player to NHL style system.

We've been bad for so long that we seem to have forgotten that. Plenty of AHLers could step onto our roster and have an immediate impact, especially on D and in G. The reason they are in the AHL is the NHL teams have actual depth and don't need to rush them to the NHL. Do I think Quinn and Peterka are NHL ready? Sure. Do I think we can improve more by looking outside the org and finding a veteran in the same role? Yes. There is nothing wrong with leaving NHL ready young players in the AHL. Teams do it all the time. And it doesn't stunt development.


Jimmybarndoor2 said:
So the question is “are you improving the roster?” That’s the question and I am not sure that you will. Maybe just maybe you already have what you need and trading for known nhl depth players sets you back instead of forward (see montour, sheary, hunwick, svodka, berglund, vesey, Miller, etc) Maybe you get labeled a patsy. So who is todays flash in the pan that is going to win us 2 more games this year?
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This year? Nobody. I'm talking about next season.

Chainshot said:
I guess. The way the team has started to come together, the strides the kids have taken, and that they still have both their prospect depth and that collection of draft picks are all positives. Further roster crafting can take place this summer prior to the draft.
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Pretty much this is all I am saying. We can't just sit on our laurels going into next year once we've filled out the bare minimums (a starting G and at least 1 RHD), we need to examine and forward group and find places we can upgrade, even if that means a player or two has to spend more time in the AHL.
 
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joshjull said:
He either can’t accept the concept of a development year or doesn’t understand what that means. So he keeps ranting about how they should have spent a bunch of money and traded picks to be more “competitive”.
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Imagine the results this season with:

A legit starting NHL goalie
A center to handle faceoffs/play the PK/defensive matchups
Cody Eakin in the AHL

While we wouldn't be a playoff team, we'd be 4-5 wins better than we currently are. You act like I'm suggesting we should have burned through all our assets this year. I'm not. I'm saying there was some low hanging fruit that wasn't addressed because ownership/management were unwilling to even attempt to put a good team on the ice this year.
 
joshjull said:
Holy strawmen Batman!
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It's like the replies I got to that tweet.

Saying that you want Adams to make smart moves and not splashy moves just because he has extra picks and loads of cap space makes some people think that you don't want any outside additions to the team.

I don't want Adams to act like the late firsts are burning a hole in his pocket. But, if something crazy happens like TB is willing to trade Cirelli for a late 1st and say Ryan Johnson or Isak Rosen, then lets go!
 
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TehDoak said:
Imagine the results this season with:

A legit starting NHL goalie
A center to handle faceoffs/play the PK/defensive matchups
Cody Eakin in the AHL

While we wouldn't be a playoff team, we'd be 4-5 wins better than we currently are. You act like I'm suggesting we should have burned through all our assets this year. I'm not. I'm saying there was some low hanging fruit that wasn't addressed because ownership/management were unwilling to even attempt to put a good team on the ice this year.
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making those changes is a far cry from what you are advocating for and what everyone is disagreeing with you on.

leaving Quinn, Peterka, and krebs in the ahl and aggressively using picks and players to rebuild isnt the same as acquiring a goalie and a bottom six forward or two.

this team needs to look outside for help in net and on D. I don’t think anyone is saying otherwise
 
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Chainshot said:
Ummm... they said they want to break him back in more easily than they did just a few games ago when he aggravated whatever he's dealing with. Going from that to "his time is done" is a pretty large leap. I don't see it.
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hoping thats the case Chain
 
Dirty Dog said:
making those changes is a far cry from what you are advocating for and what everyone is disagreeing with you on.

leaving Quinn, Peterka, and krebs in the ahl and aggressively using picks and players to rebuild isnt the same as acquiring a goalie and a bottom six forward or two.

this team needs to look outside for help in net and on D. I don’t think anyone is saying otherwise
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I think there is a bit of a misunderstanding:

I'm saying they should have made those changes BEFORE this season. Not hitting that even that low bar of improvement has set the team up for failure.

The large changes I'm advocating are for next season and beyond.
 
Any lineup that assumes Peterka or Quinn will still be in Roch next season is not just rather silly but completely unrealistic. I think it’s rather obvious that KA is planning on them being with the big club.

Plus, they’ve earned it. They have nothing more to accomplish in the AHL. Adjusting to the speed of the NHL, especially in what will be another season with relatively low expectations, is far more important at this point.
 
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I don't think Quinn goes back down until the AHL playoffs once he's back from his surgery.

Peterka looks like he's going to be ready soon as well. It's hard to ignore what he's doing without his usual running mates down in Rochester - he's the engine making things go (with a nod to Weissbach and Biro who are also also really stepping up).
 
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Chainshot said:
I don't think Quinn goes back down until the AHL playoffs once he's back from his surgery.

Peterka looks like he's going to be ready soon as well. It's hard to ignore what he's doing without his usual running mates down in Rochester - he's the engine making things go (with a nod to Weissbach and Biro who are also also really stepping up).
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Players stepping up when the big boys go down (or up) is a dream scenario for any team. Sure they won’t all pan out, but it’s a good thing.
 
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