21/22 Roster Speculation Thread Part VIII

[Chainshot]

Lyubushkin, Manson or maybe Braun/Rutta make sense.

Maybe Adams will try to sign PK Subban?

I'd be mildly interested if they could get Lyubushkin and Larsson back from Arizona. Ilya's stats have tanked offensively this year, but he's a possibility if they are looking at trying to find a stay-at-home guy to rotate into the mix.

 

[Fezzy126]

Breaking it down by role a bit - he's third in SHTOI and fourth at ESTOI. And he gets almost no PP time behind Drysdale, Fowler, Shattenkirk, and Lindholm.

Suffice to say, he's getting mid-pair minutes at ES and PK use which in a perfect world would be how he would be deployed if there was some way to convince him to come to Buffalo (which other than money, doesn't seem to be a factor).

Also of note, Anaheim buries their 3rd pairing on the bench for large stretches and basically only rolls two pairings (minus Shatty getting his PP time). As a result their top 4 are all in the top 100 in 5v5 TOI/GP.

Hence why the chart sees Manson as a top pair defenseman in TOI.

 

[Uberpecker]

For those with Manson dreams -

Sounds like he wants to stay out west and his wife is a SoCal girl. I can't see him having any interest in Buffalo no matter how big the bucket of cash thrown at him.

Meh. What's the big difference between WNY and SoCal, anyway. You've got the big body of water as well as the idiosyncratic weather, so there you go.

If Disneyland is the big selling point just pay him enough money for an enormous entertainment system or even to build his own amusement park in the backyard.

And give him less term, so he can sign another contract for the twilight years of his career.

DISCLAIMER: This posting may or may not contain sarcasm. I'm not entirely sure myself.

 

[BFLO]

He's on their 2nd pairing, is 3rd in 5v5 TOI/GP, is one of their primary penalty killers, and gets deployed in defensive role.

I really don't care about total all situations TOI/GP, the other guys on that list propped up by their PP time and we have Dahlin & Power that will get all the PP time here.

Breaking it down by role a bit - he's third in SHTOI and fourth at ESTOI. And he gets almost no PP time behind Drysdale, Fowler, Shattenkirk, and Lindholm.

Suffice to say, he's getting mid-pair minutes at ES and PK use which in a perfect world would be how he would be deployed if there was some way to convince him to come to Buffalo (which other than money, doesn't seem to be a factor).

I Did say he's a #4/#5 in my original post. He's only 6 seconds a game out of 4th place in all situations ice time. It you want to bump him to #4 that's fine with me.

My original point that you don't back up the Brincks truck for a #4 D ESTOI who is #3 in SHTOI still stands just as much with your more specific stats as it did with my less specific #5 D, 6 second short of #4d all situations ice time.

He'd be a good addition at a fair price to play second pairing for us. But he's not our savior.

We need more good middle of the road players like Manson on our roster, but we can't pay them like super stars and play them in rolls they aren't suited for and expect that to lead to success.

 

[TehDoak]

Re: Manson.

Any major UFA is a pipe dream at this point. If they are actually interested in Manson, the only real way forward would be to trade for his rights in the offseason and bring him in to meet the team. There's no regional draw (he's from Saskatchewan, not Ontario), there's no immediate cup window. The only real thing we could offer him is an opportunity to play with one of Power/Dahlin and money.

There's going to be a robust market for Manson this summer (and at the deadline). I'd be suprised, given our recent history, if we were a finalist without offering a Skinner level bad contract.

 

[Chainshot]

I Did say he's a #4/#5 in my original post. He's only 6 seconds a game out of 4th place in all situations ice time. It you want to bump him to #4 that's fine with me.

My original point that you don't back up the Brincks truck for a #4 D ESTOI who is #3 in SHTOI still stands just as much with your more specific stats as it did with my less specific #5 D, 6 second short of #4d all situations ice time.

He'd be a good addition at a fair price to play second pairing for us. But he's not our savior.

We need more good middle of the road players like Manson on our roster, but we can't pay them like super stars and play them in rolls they aren't suited for and expect that to lead to success.

Yeah, I agree with your point. It's foolish to clear out bad cap over the last few years and just go replace it with more bad cap. Just trying to broaden the scope of the conversation. There seems to be very limited focus on individuals, regardless of if there is plausibility (which given the comments about Mason wanting to stay near home, meaning California).

 

[joshjull]

 

[Fjordsen]

Omg, again herniated disc?

 

[TehDoak]

Yeah, I agree with your point. It's foolish to clear out bad cap over the last few years and just go replace it with more bad cap. Just trying to broaden the scope of the conversation. There seems to be very limited focus on individuals, regardless of if there is plausibility (which given the comments about Mason wanting to stay near home, meaning California).

Eh, there are ways to structure things to overpay without it being a bad contract. The real poison pills are full NMCs and front loading the contract so buying out the last few years aren't painful.

A 'good' contract would be (though, still a massive overpay):

6x6 with sign on bonus heavy in the first 3-4 years with the last 2-3 years being 6M per salary wise so the buyout math is team friendly.

If you had the same deal 6 years, 36M with a more frontloaded style deal and signing bonus heavy, even in the last few years, the buyout becomes less helpful. Throw in an NMC, its bad times all around.

 

[elchud]

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[StrompTroller]

Eh, there are ways to structure things to overpay without it being a bad contract. The real poison pills are full NMCs and front loading the contract so buying out the last few years aren't painful.

A 'good' contract would be (though, still a massive overpay):

6x6 with sign on bonus heavy in the first 3-4 years with the last 2-3 years being 6M per salary wise so the buyout math is team friendly.

If you had the same deal 6 years, 36M with a more frontloaded style deal and signing bonus heavy, even in the last few years, the buyout becomes less helpful. Throw in an NMC, its bad times all around.

Im the biggest homer here for adding Manson but anyone giving him 6 years will regret it. If that's the length it takes to get him to sign id easily pass.

 

[elchud]

Florida gets hit next year with big buyout payment for Yandle.
Gudas and Hornqvist for Arttu and Fitz.

Vancouver needs to dump salary
Schenn and Hamonic for Arttu and Fitz.

Connor Murphy for one of our late 1sts.

 

[JLewyB]

So they tried rehab and it didnt work. If im drake, i wouldve asked if i could wait and see if Eichels ADR holds up.

 

[TehDoak]

So they tried rehab and it didnt work. If im drake, i wouldve asked if i could wait and see if Eichels ADR holds up.

With him being a UFA, he likely doesn't have the benefit of waiting out because his insurance likely goes away when his contract does.

 

[Djp]

Florida gets hit next year with big buyout payment for Yandle.
Gudas and Hornqvist for Arttu and Fitz.

Vancouver needs to dump salary
Schenn and Hamonic for Arttu and Fitz.

Connor Murphy for one of our late 1sts.

Connor Murphy= Josh Georges is my fear

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

Florida gets hit next year with big buyout payment for Yandle.
Gudas and Hornqvist for Arttu and Fitz.

Vancouver needs to dump salary
Schenn and Hamonic for Arttu and Fitz.

Connor Murphy for one of our late 1sts.

I actually think Hornqvist is a good target if they need to shed cap. But I don't want Gudas within 30 miles of this team.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

I'd be mildly interested if they could get Lyubushkin and Larsson back from Arizona. Ilya's stats have tanked offensively this year, but he's a possibility if they are looking at trying to find a stay-at-home guy to rotate into the mix.

Lyubushkin does well, but he's ARZ's 5th D and plays against terrible competition. If they bring him in to play with Dahlin I'm worried he'd get exposed. That said, he's a good value target. Even if they picked up a good RHD he'd still be great on the bottom pair.

I want zero part of trading a 1st for Conner Murphy.

 

[Chainshot]

Lyubushkin does well, but he's ARZ's 5th D and plays against terrible competition. If they bring him in to play with Dahlin I'm worried he'd get exposed. That said, he's a good value target. Even if they picked up a good RHD he'd still be great on the bottom pair.

I want zero part of trading a 1st for Conner Murphy.

It's not so much about getting someone to play with Dahlin right now, it's finding a stay-at-home type to battle netfront and on the walls with Power as his partner.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

It's not so much about getting someone to play with Dahlin right now, it's finding a stay-at-home type to battle netfront and on the walls with Power as his partner.

He's a great add to the 3rd pair. Let's draw up the paper work and tell him he's moving.

 

[elchud]

He's a great add to the 3rd pair. Let's draw up the paper work and tell him he's moving.

A 3rd in hand is worth less than Lyubush

 

[elchud]

I want zero part of trading a 1st for Conner Murphy.

An outstanding defensive defenseman, you've got 4 seasons with him on the 2nd pair (maybe even 1st) at a reasonable salary.

With the 30th pick in a draft you hope you can get a defenseman like that.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

An outstanding defensive defenseman, you've got 4 seasons with him on the 2nd pair (maybe even 1st) at a reasonable salary.

With the 30th pick in a draft you hope you can get a defenseman like that.

...and probably aren't able to, 9 times out of 10.

 

[Fjordsen]

Lyubushkin does well, but he's ARZ's 5th D and plays against terrible competition. If they bring him in to play with Dahlin I'm worried he'd get exposed. That said, he's a good value target. Even if they picked up a good RHD he'd still be great on the bottom pair.

I want zero part of trading a 1st for Conner Murphy.

He plays 18 minutes, which is not bad, but I'm not sure if he will be suitable for the game with Samuelsson, someone will have to move the puck. Definitely for playing with Dahlin or Power.

 

[nickdawg95]

Casey Mittlestadt vegas 1st Ryan Johnson For Mark Scheifele
2023 2nd for Bortuzzo
5x3 husso
Resign pysyk
sign Larson
Oloffson for Murphy




Krebs-Scheifele-Tuch
Skinner-TT-Quinn
Asplund-Cozens-Peterka
Girgenson-Larson-okposo

Dahlin-Jokiharju
Power-Murphy
Samuelsson-Bortuzzo

Husso/UPL

 

[tsujimoto74]

An outstanding defensive defenseman, you've got 4 seasons with him on the 2nd pair (maybe even 1st) at a reasonable salary.

With the 30th pick in a draft you hope you can get a defenseman like that.

Yeah, a late 1st seems like a perfectly reasonable price for a top 4 RHD with term.