2025 NHL Draft: Lose a ton for Porter Martone

[matt trick]

I know Couture, but was Musty also a ‘OHL prospect who went later than should have due to mono’?

 

[Patty Ice]

I know Couture, but was Musty also a ‘OHL prospect who went later than should have due to mono’?

Yes

Timo was another mono pick.

 

[Barrie22]

Yes

Timo was another mono pick.

Timo got his mono during training camp

 

[Patty Ice]

Timo got his mono during training camp

Same difference. I wasn't referring to the fact he got mono prior to being picked but that he had it.

 

[ThePlanet]

Edit-

When the joke is staring you in the face, but the refreshed page isn't...

 

[Barrie22]

Should be interesting.

 

[LadyStanley]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1836019943969579043

 

[Juxtaposer]

If it's really basically a CHL draft eligibles All-Star team vs. the NTDP, they'll crush them. Especially this year's insanely mediocre U18 team.

 

[Barrie22]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1836019943969579043

That works better lol

If it's really basically a CHL draft eligibles All-Star team vs. the NTDP, they'll crush them. Especially this year's insanely mediocre U18 team.

Would of been neat to have this type of thing when smith, perrault, leonard and the likes were on the NTDP team.

 

[Juxtaposer]

That works better lol


Would have been neat to have this type of thing when smith, perrault, leonard and the likes were on the NTDP team.

Yup, exactly. It's only interesting if the NTDP is any good.

 

[coooldude]

Updating my Sharks watchlist right before scouting starts in earnest... originally this was a 25 player list focusing on BOTH of our 1st rd picks, but now it's going to focus on which players might be available top-5 or at 33-35. Therefore some of these middle guys may fall off the list and may add some deeper names as the year wears on.

• Limatov is having a good start to the year (MHL)
• Schaefer has mono - very Sharks, but also may significantly hurt his first half.
• Other bolded names for the 20-40 slot = Mrtka, Fiddler, Jackson Smith, Amico, Boumedienne, Handel... but many of those may solidify themselves in mid 1st round and therefore not really be in play for us (absent another trade).
• note: within-tiers are not ranked and this is purely my speculation based on mostly other people's scouting, except a handful of players I've tried to watch.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Updating my Sharks watchlist right before scouting starts in earnest... originally this was a 25 player list focusing on BOTH of our 1st rd picks, but now it's going to focus on which players might be available top-5 or at 33-35. Therefore some of these middle guys may fall off the list and may add some deeper names as the year wears on.

• Limatov is having a good start to the year (MHL)
• Schaefer has mono - very Sharks, but also may significantly hurt his first half.
• Other bolded names for the 20-40 slot = Mrtka, Fiddler, Jackson Smith, Amico, Boumedienne, Handel... but many of those may solidify themselves in mid 1st round and therefore not really be in play for us (absent another trade).
• note: within-tiers are not ranked and this is purely my speculation based on mostly other people's scouting, except a handful of players I've tried to watch.

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Carter Amico is pretty intriguing.

 

[coooldude]

Carter Amico is pretty intriguing.

My concern is he falls in the 10-20 range if he has a solid year... I know Askarov is potentially a huge piece of a winner, but players like him -- that's why I really liked that VGK pick...

 

[Juxtaposer]

My concern is he falls in the 10-20 range if he has a solid year... I know Askarov is potentially a huge piece of a winner, but players like him -- that's why I really liked that VGK pick...

Yeah, the non-elite RHD who are 2nd round quality tend to get picked in the late 1st because of the scarcity of RHD. I would guess Fiddler, Mrtka, and Amico all fit that trend.

I'm really interested by Carlos Handel as well, just hate to have to watch the Q to see him.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1825528619260883261

 

[gaucholoco3]

My concern is he falls in the 10-20 range if he has a solid year... I know Askarov is potentially a huge piece of a winner, but players like him -- that's why I really liked that VGK pick...

So this is where the Sharks can trade down and pick up Hensler and Amico both in the first while still having their second to take a chance on a big toolsy wing.

I really am hoping Hensler can have a strong season and be that potential 1D.

Dickinson - Hensler
Muk- Amico
Cagnoni - Roberts

 

[coooldude]

So this is where the Sharks can trade down and pick up Hensler and Amico both in the first while still having their second to take a chance on a big toolsy wing.

I really am hoping Hensler can have a strong season and be that potential 1D.

Dickinson - Hensler
Muk- Amico
Cagnoni - Roberts

Maybe. I think if we're top 5, we take the top 5 pick. It'll be a cornerstone C/W or a potential #1 D. If we're #1 and it's Hagens, maybe we trade down to #2-5 and still get our guy + one more pick in the 1st round which matches your thinking (kinda).

 

[Juxtaposer]

Maybe. I think if we're top 5, we take the top 5 pick. It'll be a cornerstone C/W or a potential #1 D. If we're #1 and it's Hagens, maybe we trade down to #2-5 and still get our guy + one more pick in the 1st round which matches your thinking (kinda).

Probably the idea situation is that we win 1st overall (as the worst team, so it doesn't affect our ability to win future lotteries), Calgary has 2nd or 3rd, and they trade us that pick plus the Devils pick (early 20's) plus more for Hagens, since they desperately need a franchise center.

Not that it would happen, but that's probably the type of situation you're looking at. Unless Cody Ceci or Mikael Granlund have such outstanding seasons that someone wants to fork over a 1st at the deadline, which is wildly unlikely.

 

[Juxtaposer]

So the Bob McKenzie pre-season top-20 is out:

1. C James Hagens
2. LD Matthew Schaefer
3. C Anton Frondell
4. RE Porter Martone
5. C Ilya Ryabkin
6. C Roger McQueen
7. LW/C Michael Misa
8. LW Malcolm Spence
9. RD Logan Hensler
10. C Caleb Desnoyers
11. C William Moore
12. RD Radim Mrtka
13. LW Victor Eklund
14. C Jay O'Brien
15. RD Charlie Trethewey
16. C Cole Reschny
17. LW Emile Guite
18. RW Jakob Ihs-Wozniak
19. C Braeden Cootes
20. G Joshua Ravensbergen

My boy Schaefer is the threat to #1, according to Bob's scouts. Someone had Roger McQueen 1st overall, which is shocking to me considering I don't think McQueen has top line offensive upside. Overall seems like an average draft, with an average #1 but a strong top-5 (unlike 2024 which had a strong #1 but a mediocre top-5).

 

[matt trick]

Schaefer also measured in at 6’1 3/4ths. Little bigger than I thought, that’s a nice addition. While Martone or one of the centers would be a great consolation prize, really want that future top pairing dman.

2024 was the year to get #1, 2025 any of those top 5 picks will be excellent pieces. Or top 6, as McQueen opening space for Celebrini is also intriguing. All in on Schaefer though!

 

[coooldude]

Yeah, unless the year goes vastly differently than expected, it's hard to expect us to pick anyone other than Schaefer, Hensler, or like a Mrtka who surprises into the top 2-7 conversation. Even at 1OA if there's no trade down that is attractive we might still pick Schaefer, assuming he keeps up his trajectory.

(Edit: of course, huge movements can and will happen, so who knows what happens with our prospects and the eligibles).

 

[Juxtaposer]

Schaefer also measured in at 6’1 3/4ths. Little bigger than I thought, that’s a nice addition. While Martone or one of the centers would be a great consolation prize, really want that future top pairing dman.

2024 was the year to get #1, 2025 any of those top 5 picks will be excellent pieces. Or top 6, as McQueen opening space for Celebrini is also intriguing. All in on Schaefer though!

Seriously, I really can't overstate how good getting 1st overall in 2024 was. Celebrini is just on a whole different level than anyone else in that draft by being a guaranteed franchise center.

Schaefer would fit our timeline well too, I think. Next year I'd give him one more OHL season while we work Dickinson into our lineup, then bring him to the NHL in 2026. Spend the 2026 1st on a high-end winger, boom, done.

 

[StanleyCup2035]

Seriously, I really can't overstate how good getting 1st overall in 2024 was. Celebrini is just on a whole different level than anyone else in that draft by being a guaranteed franchise center.

Schaefer would fit our timeline well too, I think. Next year I'd give him one more OHL season while we work Dickinson into our lineup, then bring him to the NHL in 2026. Spend the 2026 1st on a high-end winger, boom, done.

@Juxtaposer , based on your comment, do you actually think Dickinson has a chance to make the Sharks line-up in 2025? I'm thinking he's at least 2 years away.

 

[Juxtaposer]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1839849400119488727

This guy is really the perfect fit on Celebrini's wing.

 

[Bizz]

Youtuber thinks we're getting 1st overall again and picking Hagens.



Wonder what would happen with Smith. Move him to wing? Trade him?

 

[LilLeeroy]

Youtuber thinks we're getting 1st overall again and picking Hagens.



Wonder what would happen with Smith. Move him to wing? Trade him?

Pittsburgh drafted 3 centers with top 2 picks three years in a row. Worked out pretty well for them.