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who would go in with Thornton, Keith if he makes it, and chara if they don't hold Chara back cuz of his buddy beregeron going in, in a couple years, if chara or Keith one or the other don't make it I'd induct CuJo and maybe either theoren fleury or Alexander mogilny and if not them than Ryan Miller or pekka rinne. 2027 for me at least it be Bergeron, Chara, mogilny, and pekka rinne and or Chris osgood.
 
Giotrapani91 said:
who would go in with Thornton, Keith if he makes it, and chara if they don't hold Chara back cuz of his buddy beregeron going in, in a couple years, if chara or Keith one or the other don't make it I'd induct CuJo and maybe either theoren fleury or Alexander mogilny and if not them than Ryan Miller or pekka rinne. 2027 for me at least it be Bergeron, Chara, mogilny, and pekka rinne and or Chris osgood.
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And I meant Bergeron, mogilny, or fleury, Chara and either Osgood or rinne for the 2026 class.
 
Any high-profile sports "Hall of Fame" ("fame" being a silly misnomer copied from Cooperstown) should enshrine only legends of the game. The fact that Chris Osgood's name has come up effectively demonstrates how the Hall of Fame committees have collectively failed.
 
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Hey panther you realize Osgood is one of 13 goalies to have 400 plus wins look at half the goalies that are above him funr, esposito, hall guys had hall of famers playing in front of them every night honestly the whole this goalie is only good cuz he has a great blue line that's a common myth look at brodeur he had hall of famers playing in front of him every night same with roy. Fleury only in Pittsburgh he had hall of famers in front of him. It's a common myth CuJo didn't have stacked teams in front of him only in St. Louis and detroit he had hall of famers in front of him.
 
Giotrapani91 said:
brodeur he had hall of famers playing in front of him every night
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he won back to back Vezina with all those hall of famers:

List:
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Maybe Elias will get in one day, but we should not overblow it, his defense core by order of minutes played during those 2 seasons

Paul Martin
Johnny Oduya
Colin White
Brian Rafalsky
Mike Mottoau
Brad Lukowich
Anddy Greene

He did lead the league in wins, save percentage, saves made, shoutout and GAA behind that perfectly fine but nothing special group:

During that time Brodeur replacment (weekes-Clemmensen) on that same squad had below .900 goaltending, not large sample size considering how much Brodeur played, but going into the direction that they were just a good but normal team by that point, without Brodeur with just a 16-20th best starter level goaltender in net would they have been a top 10 team in the league ?, maybe, maybe not, they had the second worst offense in the nhl.

Brodeur had a lot of success post Daneyko-Scott Stevens retirement, Nierdermayer going to the Ducks and Lemaire leaving, I think many would agree enough to remove the idea that he was a product of them.
 
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Giotrapani91 said:
Hey panther you realize Osgood is one of 13 goalies to have 400 plus wins
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This is the same argument that Andreychuk needs to be in the Hall of Fame because he scored 640 goals. But in fact, Andreychuk finished in the top-8 goal-scorers-per-year once in 23 seasons.

Osgood played capably for a team that became elite just as he arrived and stopped being elite just as he retired (some Islanders / Blues seasons in between the career in Detroit). Osgood was an average goalie who played for a really strong team for a long time.

This kind of player should not even be in discussion for any 'Hall of Fame' if the institution was trying to be exclusive at all.
 
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What about Curtis joseph
The Panther said:
This is the same argument that Andreychuk needs to be in the Hall of Fame because he scored 640 goals. But in fact, Andreychuk finished in the top-8 goal-scorers-per-year once in 23 seasons.

Osgood played capably for a team that became elite just as he arrived and stopped being elite just as he retired (some Islanders / Blues seasons in between the career in Detroit). Osgood was an average goalie who played for a really strong team for a long time.

This kind of player should not even be in discussion for any 'Hall of Fame' if the institution was trying to be exclusive at all.
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Who are the next players to retire before 2000 who are going into the Hall? I doubt any are deserving of it but that's a different argument, again Lowe got in recently, any more like him or maybe from an even earlier era?
 
What's the record of most inductees in one year because I can very easily see 5 or 6 going in without the builders/women categories.
 
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This is the same argument that Andreychuk needs to be in the Hall of Fame because he scored 640 goals. But in fact, Andreychuk finished in the top-8 goal-scorers-per-year once in 23 seasons.

Osgood played capably for a team that became elite just as he arrived and stopped being elite just as he retired (some Islanders / Blues seasons in between the career in Detroit). Osgood was an average goalie who played for a really strong team for a long time.

This kind of player should not even be in discussion for any 'Hall of Fame' if the institution was trying to be exclusive at all.
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Well, if Andreychuk is in Osgood should definitely be in.

The bar has already been lowered as low as it can go, with Kevin Lowe.
 
Gorskyontario said:
Well, if Andreychuk is in Osgood should definitely be in.

The bar has already been lowered as low as it can go, with Kevin Lowe.
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To be fair, goalies are still relatively untouched as controversial picks. Barrasso was long overdue to get in and let's not forget it took them decades to finally put Vachon in. Vernon would be the most controversial pick in the HHOF in the goalie category. And I think even in that situation it was his peaks that got him in over his lows. Maybe a hot and cold career is better than just a solid goalie. Osgood was a solid goalie but never a great goalie. He'd be behind Andy Moog, who is shy of deserving it. Mike Liut would be ahead of Osgood who doesn't have a shot. I don't think I would have put Vernon in, he was fine on the outside, but I can think of at least a half dozen goalies not in who get in before Osgood. Maybe 10.

Osgood was 2nd, 7th, 10th and 11th in Vezina voting. That's it. And even then, when he was 2nd he was on the 1996 Wings who helped give him those gaudy win totals that year. Does anyone actually think Osgood was the 2nd best goalie in the NHL that year? He wasn't even on the radar for the World Cup team and was never considered for an Olympic team either. Vernon doesn't have the shiniest Vezina voting record either but it is still better than Osgood's. And Vernon was more central to his team's success in the playoffs. And yes, he had some boners in between where he was awful and most to blame for the Flames' collapse. But he still had the great moments. I wouldn't have put either of them in, but I'd put Vernon in over Osgood.

Cheevers is often the other controversial pick in the HHOF in net. I am alright with him in there because he was a better goalie amongst his peers than Osgood. Had some highs in the playoffs too, has a good playoff record. Likely would have been the starter for Canada in the 1972 Summit Series had he not left for the WHA. There is very little that has been lowered standard-wise with goalies, we should keep it that way.
 
All of Thornton, Price, Keith and Chara are classic 1st ballot guys. Hard to not see them all go in next year. Reminds me of years like 2007 where you had Messier, Francis, MacInnis and Stevens all go in. How can you bypass any of them? There are strange occurrences such as Hawerchuk for whatever reason not going in back in 2000 on his first chance but then going in for 2001. I have no idea what the committee was thinking then. There wasn't a max on the 2000 picks either, it was just Savard and Mullen. What on earth did they talk about that made them think Hawerchuk didn't belong, especially when they had room to put him in? So something like that could happen. Thornton would basically be Hawerchuk in that situation. So I could see enough on the committee thinking they were the smartest person in the room denying someone like Thornton in there for one year just because. But in all honesty all 4 should be in. Maybe they give Price a year or two to wait, but I still doubt it.

I think Roenick getting in bodes well for someone like Theo Fleury. I think it was alright that Roenick wasn't in as he was a very good candidate for "best forward not in" but once Turgeon and some others got in I figure it opened the door for him. But his outspokenness is something I thought the HHOF would be afraid of, but alas, they aren't. So it helps another outspoken star forward in Fleury. Not to mention Barrasso getting in as well. In his induction speech he didn't sound bitter but thankful. Roenick will likely do the same, and if he does maybe that eases the committee's mind that Fleury would likely do the same in his speech.

Honestly, I think part of the reason they never wanted Pete Rose inducted into the Baseball HOF is because they were petrified at what he might say in his induction speech.
 
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Smart people don't compound problems.
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Well you can be in denial about this if you want, but the inductees aren't going to magically become more elite just because you want them to.

If anything the HHOF is going to get even worse.

Crosby2010 said:
To be fair, goalies are still relatively untouched as controversial picks. Barrasso was long overdue to get in and let's not forget it took them decades to finally put Vachon in. Vernon would be the most controversial pick in the HHOF in the goalie category. And I think even in that situation it was his peaks that got him in over his lows. Maybe a hot and cold career is better than just a solid goalie. Osgood was a solid goalie but never a great goalie. He'd be behind Andy Moog, who is shy of deserving it. Mike Liut would be ahead of Osgood who doesn't have a shot. I don't think I would have put Vernon in, he was fine on the outside, but I can think of at least a half dozen goalies not in who get in before Osgood. Maybe 10.

Osgood was 2nd, 7th, 10th and 11th in Vezina voting. That's it. And even then, when he was 2nd he was on the 1996 Wings who helped give him those gaudy win totals that year. Does anyone actually think Osgood was the 2nd best goalie in the NHL that year? He wasn't even on the radar for the World Cup team and was never considered for an Olympic team either. Vernon doesn't have the shiniest Vezina voting record either but it is still better than Osgood's. And Vernon was more central to his team's success in the playoffs. And yes, he had some boners in between where he was awful and most to blame for the Flames' collapse. But he still had the great moments. I wouldn't have put either of them in, but I'd put Vernon in over Osgood.

Cheevers is often the other controversial pick in the HHOF in net. I am alright with him in there because he was a better goalie amongst his peers than Osgood. Had some highs in the playoffs too, has a good playoff record. Likely would have been the starter for Canada in the 1972 Summit Series had he not left for the WHA. There is very little that has been lowered standard-wise with goalies, we should keep it that way.
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Dude Osgood was obviously better than Andy Moog, lol.
 
The Panther said:
Any high-profile sports "Hall of Fame" ("fame" being a silly misnomer copied from Cooperstown) should enshrine only legends of the game. The fact that Chris Osgood's name has come up effectively demonstrates how the Hall of Fame committees have collectively failed.
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You'd have to Marie Kondo the Hall of Fame of a lot of existing members to bring the bar for entry up.
 
Gorskyontario said:
Dude Osgood was obviously better than Andy Moog, lol.
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Watching both of their careers I don't think he was. I think Moog was the guy who was more central to his team's success. But on a personal level, their Vezina votes:
Moog - 3, 5, 5, 5, 7, 7, 8, 8
Osgood - 2, 7, 10, 11

Individually no question it's Moog. Osgood does have the team success but is it better than Moog's? Granted he was the back up in Edmonton but not until the playoffs and even then he filled in nicely. 1984 he is on the ice the final three games. 1983 he takes them to the Cup final on his own. 1988 and 1990 two other trips to the final with the Bruins. 1988 he didn't play in as many playoff games though. Moog is at least close to being a HHOF goalie. Osgood isn't.
 
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