2024 World U17 Hockey Challenge

[WarriorofTime]

Had to check.. Dravecky is 16. He was good enough for Hlinka but not the U17????

I believe this is 08 births (or later). Dravecky is a December 07 (similar to Gavin McKenna), so despite not being 17 yet, I think this is his Age 17 season for these sorts of purposes. So he is not eligible.

The World Juniors makes this the simplest because it straddles the New Year so the December 31/January 1 cutoff "feels" right. The Hlinka is the most confusing imo because it occurs over the Summer and is a U18 tournament so almost half the field are players that will be starting their "U18" (i.e., age 17) season that have not had their 17th birthday yet (i.e., are still 16) which "feels like" they're playing up.

Indeed, the IIHF U18 and Hlinka U18 tournament are only a few months apart, but cover different age groups because the IIHF U18 is at the end of the previous hockey season (April-May) and the Hlinka (August 2024) is at the beginning of the next one. It would almost clarify things better if they phrased the tournament in terms of the Hockey season covered, i.e., the 2023-24 IIHF U18 Tournament and 2024-25 Gretzy Hlinka Cup because referring to them as both "2024" would seemingly imply it would cover the same age group.

 

[Czechboy]

I believe this is 08 births (or later). Dravecky is a December 07 (similar to Gavin McKenna), so despite not being 17 yet, I think this is his Age 17 season for these sorts of purposes. So he is not eligible.

The World Juniors makes this the simplest because it straddles the New Year so the December 31/January 1 cutoff "feels" right. The Hlinka is the most confusing imo because it occurs over the Summer and is a U18 tournament so almost half the field are players that will be starting their "U18" (i.e., age 17) season that have not had their 17th birthday yet (i.e., are still 16) which "feels like" they're playing up.

Indeed, the IIHF U18 and Hlinka U18 tournament are only a few months apart, but cover different age groups because the IIHF U18 is at the end of the previous hockey season (April-May) and the Hlinka (August 2024) is at the beginning of the next one. It would almost clarify things better if they phrased the tournament in terms of the Hockey season covered, i.e., the 2023-24 IIHF U18 Tournament and 2024-25 Gretzy Hlinka Cup because referring to them as both "2024" would seemingly imply it would cover the same age group.

Thanks for this. Makes sense about Dravecky. Kind of funny if he left Slovak hockey to play for Czechs and they left him off. So then I wonder about the other Slovak we were given - Taliga?

 

[martygod12]

Thanks for this. Makes sense about Dravecky. Kind of funny if he left Slovak hockey to play for Czechs and they left him off. So then I wonder about the other Slovak we were given - Taliga?

Yeah I thought it may be because of this, nice to know. Taliga I think is too yound and unexperinced to play on the biggest U17 tournament out of the blue. I am sure he will get chance in some U17 or U16 NT games.

Novak as I look at it is probably injured, he played only 3 games and last was in early september so he is injured I guess, otherwise I am sure he would be there.

And what to think about the team is that the D group looks much more interesting then the F group.

 

[Czechboy]

And what to think about the team is that the D group looks much more interesting then the F group.

Which is a trend. We've tried to overcorrect our problem. We used to be a nation of wingers. Now it seems goalies and D are our thing.

To be honest, that is so much better. I'll always take the team with stronger D and G over the team with stronger forwards.

Since I'm a geek... I rewatched the 2005 Gold win in Vienna the other day.. our blueline was 7 guys that played in the NHL...

We are a decade away from having anything like this again. Size and skill. Even worse, the season after this lockout one.. we had 22 NHL Dman...

NHL Stats

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Sorry, it was too big to screencap.lol

Today we don't have 22 skaters. 3 D and Jiricek about to make it 4 on the bottom pair in Columbus due to an injury.

I am declaring today as the rock bottom for Czech NHL D in HISTORY. Once Jiricek scores a few points and sticks to the big club, the comeback begins!

 

[Goodman68]

Novak! That's the one that is missing for me. Wasn't he the guy at the Youth Olympic Games?

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Thank you, I knew someone was missing. And Frolo seems to be in some kind of fight with our federation.lol He can join Svozil and Badinka.lol

Novák's absence is a big loss for the team. Last year, the first attack was far behind the rest of the team in terms of performance, especially at the Youth Olympics.

 

[Czechboy]

Novák's absence is a big loss for the team. Last year, the first attack was far behind the rest of the team in terms of performance, especially at the Youth Olympics.

Is he hurt?

 

[martygod12]

Which is a trend. We've tried to overcorrect our problem. We used to be a nation of wingers. Now it seems goalies and D are our thing.

To be honest, that is so much better. I'll always take the team with stronger D and G over the team with stronger forwards.

Since I'm a geek... I rewatched the 2005 Gold win in Vienna the other day.. our blueline was 7 guys that played in the NHL...

View attachment 918555

We are a decade away from having anything like this again. Size and skill. Even worse, the season after this lockout one.. we had 22 NHL Dman...

NHL Stats

The official source for NHL Stats including skaters, goalies, teams stats and more.

www.nhl.com

Sorry, it was too big to screencap.lol

Today we don't have 22 skaters. 3 D and Jiricek about to make it 4 on the bottom pair in Columbus due to an injury.

I am declaring today as the rock bottom for Czech NHL D in HISTORY. Once Jiricek scores a few points and sticks to the big club, the comeback begins!

Thats depressing lol, more czech Ds in 05-06 season then we have skaters right now lol. Rock botton was declared by all of us many times, I think this year might be it. And still hope I will look at NHL stats in 10yrs from now and will see at least 30 czech skaters playing full time with at least 10 Ds. Man can hope lol

 

[Czechboy]

Thats depressing lol, more czech Ds in 05-06 season then we have skaters right now lol. Rock botton was declared by all of us many times, I think this year might be it. And still hope I will look at NHL stats in 10yrs from now and will see at least 30 czech skaters playing full time with at least 10 Ds. Man can hope lol

I declare it TODAY because Jiricek will get in the lineup today and stay in the lineup. That gets us to 4 full time NHL D who are important to their clubs.

Baby steps Marty, baby steps.lol

And obviously Dvorak, Svozil, Spacek and Hamara will all get NHL games this season as well.

I'll see myself out!

 

[Goodman68]

Is he hurt?

If what Marty writes is true, then probably yes

 

[martygod12]

I declare it TODAY because Jiricek will get in the lineup today and stay in the lineup. That gets us to 4 full time NHL D who are important to their clubs.

Baby steps Marty, baby steps.lol

And obviously Dvorak, Svozil, Spacek and Hamara will all get NHL games this season as well.

I'll see myself out!

And Sale will crack Seattle lineup right after gold at WJC

What a bright future ahead of us lol

 

[Czechboy]

And Sale will crack Seattle lineup right after gold at WJC

Exactly this!

also Galvas will go in round 1 in his overage year after that same gold.

Round 1 will be Galvas, Benak and Mrtka. No doubt in my mind.lol

On a more serious note.. Badinka got his first in SHL this year and I'm thrilled they kept him in SHL.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Dravecky is too old. Goes by date of birth, not age. He’s born December 19, 2007. You must be born no earlier than January 1, 2008 to participate.

 

[czech]

Frolo is also a late 07...
As for the lineup, the defense is impressive first and foremost. The lineup is perfectly matched. There are separate topics on the forum about almost all the defensemen. Today I opened a topic about Kamas (his lacrosse played a significant role), although I intended to talk about Reisnecker. It's inconvenient to open a topic about two defenders on the same day, but I think Reisnecker will get there: he is tall and the only one (besides Byrtus) who constantly plays in the U20 league and scores points there.
As for the offense, it's average. Some names raise questions for me: Krajdl, Sedlacek, Slavik, Kerbler, Trefny. Instead of them I would take Tomanek, Klaus, Hrcek, Vlk and at least one from 2009 (a very strong year) someone (for example Rejthar, Hartl, Matousek (but Taliga - yes, it's too early (although he is very good)).

 

[kyle44]

Canadian rosters named for 2024 U17 World Challenge

Canada Red

#	Player	Pos	Shoots	Height	Weight	DOB	Hometown	Current Team
7	Cruz Pavao	Forward	R	5'10	183	08-24-2008	Calgary, AB	Tri-City (WHL)
8	Parker Vaughan	Forward	R	6'0	173	03-06-2008	St. Thomas, ON	Barrie (OHL)
11	Pierce Mbuyi	Forward	L	5'10	145	04-17-2008	Mississauga, ON	Owen Sound (OHL)
12	Braidy Wassilyn	Forward	L	6'1	195	05-28-2008	Campbellville, ON	Niagara (OHL)
16	Colin Fitzgerald	Forward	R	6'2	178	04-01-2008	Peterborough, ON	Peterborough (OHL)
17	Alessandro Di Iorio	Forward	R	5'11	165	03-17-2008	Vaughan, ON	Sarnia (OHL)
18	Jaxon Jacobson	Forward	L	5'8	162	12-11-2008	Brandon, MB	Brandon (WHL)
21	Joe Iginla	Forward	R	5'10	157	08-13-2008	Lake Country, BC	Edmonton (WHL)
23	Brett Olson	Forward	R	6'2	168	02-24-2008	Spruce Grove, AB	Vancouver (WHL)
24	Alex McLean	Forward	L	5'9	162	08-08-2008	Perth, ON	Guelph (OHL)
25	Romain L’Italien	Forward	R	6'0	165	04-07-2008	L’Ancienne-Lorette, QC	Cape Breton (LHJMQ)
26	Maddox Dagenais	Forward	L	6'3	180	03-27-2008	Blainville, QC	Québec (LHJMQ)
27	Chad Lygitsakos	Forward	L	5'8	155	01-21-2008	Trois-Rivières, QC	Shawinigan (LHJMQ)
2	Cameron Chartrand	Defence	R	6'1	191	03-03-2008	Montréal, QC	Bishop Kearney (US16U)
3	Lucas Ambrosio	Defence	L	6'3	176	01-06-2008	Mississauga, ON	Erie (OHL)
4	Carson Carels	Defence	L	6'0	168	06-23-2008	Cypress River, MB	Prince George (WHL)
5	Carter Hicks	Defence	R	6'2	161	02-20-2008	London, ON	Windsor (OHL)
6	Blake Gowan	Defence	L	6'0	177	04-29-2008	Kingston, ON	Peterborough (OHL)
9	Landon DuPont	Defence	R	5'10	172	05-28-2009	Calgary, AB	Everett (WHL)
19	Kohyn Eshkawkogan	Defence	R	5'9	159	11-19-2008	Manitoulin Island, ON	Ottawa (OHL)

#	Player	Pos	Catches	Height	Weight	DOB	Hometown	Current Team
30	Carter Esler	Goaltender	L	5'9	140	11-28-2008	Okotoks, AB	Spokane (WHL)
31	Colin Ellsworth	Goaltender	L	6'1	182	12-03-2008	Aurora, ON	Guelph (OHL)

Canada White

#	Player	Pos	Shoots	Height	Weight	DOB	Hometown	Current Team
6	Ethan Belchetz	Forward	L	6'4	233	03-30-2008	Oakville, ON	Windsor (OHL)
9	Beckham Edwards	Forward	L	6'0	168	01-06-2008	Komoka, ON	Sarnia (OHL)
10	Liam Ruck	Forward	R	5'11	155	02-21-2008	Osoyoo, BC	Medicine Hat (WHL)
11	Tynan Lawrence	Forward	L	5'11	156	08-03-2008	Fredericton, NB	Muskegon (USHL)
12	Tyler Challenger	Forward	L	6'2	192	04-13-2008	Mississauga, ON	Erie (OHL)
14	Jean Lemieux	Forward	L	5'11	173	06-19-2008	Belleville, ON	Windsor (OHL)
16	Mathis Preston	Forward	R	5'11	166	07-21-2008	Penticton, BC	Spokane (WHL)
19	Logan Hawery	Forward	L	5'9	168	03-15-2008	Barrie, ON	London (OHL)
20	Markus Ruck	Forward	L	5'10	150	02-21-2008	Osoyoos, BC	Medicine Hat (WHL)
21	Adam Valentini	Forward	L	5'9	187	04-11-2008	Toronto, ON	Chicago (USHL)
23	Riley Boychuk	Forward	R	5'9	160	01-31-2008	Cochrane, AB	Prince Albert (WHL)
27	Cole Zurawski	Forward	R	5'10	157	02-06-2008	Etobicoke, ON	Flint (OHL)
29	Jayden Plouffe	Forward	L	5'10	168	01-25-2008	Terrebonne, QC	Chicoutimi (LHJMQ)
2	Giorgos Pantelas	Defence	R	6'2	184	04-24-2008	Victoria, BC	Brandon (WHL)
3	Keaton Verhoeff	Defence	R	6'3	200	06-19-2008	Fort Saskatchewan, AB	Victoria (WHL)
4	Daxon Rudolph	Defence	R	6'1	185	03-06-2008	Lacombe, AB	Prince Albert (WHL)
5	Ryan Lin	Defence	R	5'11	152	04-18-2008	Richmond, BC	Vancouver (WHL)
7	Benjamin Cossette-Ayotte	Defence	R	6'1	160	01-03-2008	Trois-Rivières, QC	Val-d’Or (LHJMQ)
8	Callum Croskery	Defence	L	6'0	163	01-29-2008	Oakville, ON	Chicago (USHL)
24	Caleb Mitchell	Defence	L	5'9	155	03-17-2008	Omemme, ON	London (OHL)

#	Player	Pos	Catches	Height	Weight	DOB	Hometown	Current Team
1	Antoine Proulx	Goaltender	L	5'11	142	07-11-2008	Saint-Joseph-du-Lac, QC	Levis (LHM18AAAQ)
30	Gavin Betts	Goaltender	L	5'11	175	04-03-2008	Toronto, ON	Pickering (OJHL)

Cooper Williams is getting the Ben Kindel treatment from last year. Clearly one of the best U-17 in Canada but not selected. They put way too much emphasis on CHL draft position and not enough on actual performance in selecting these teams.

 

[macbowes]

Cooper Williams is getting the Ben Kindel treatment from last year. Clearly one of the best U-17 in Canada but not selected. They put way too much emphasis on CHL draft position and not enough on actual performance in selecting these teams.

Combination of his size and draft position. I think when they were doing camp selection, they just saw a 145 lb second rounder and said, no thanks. That being said, he was one of the top scorers in the AEHL, and I was a surprised they didn't bring him to camp. Now, given his production in the W so far, his exclusion looks foolish. They usually make a mistake or two, it's tricky to get it completely right, these kids are in part of their development where 6 months is a big difference. Hopefully Williams just continues his successful season in W, and makes it impossible for them to leave him off the U18 team.

 

[Czechboy]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1851669372798144939

Not sure if this is a big loss or not to be honest. Sucks for him though! I hear Sarnia is lovely this time of year.

 

[Goodman68]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1851669372798144939

Not sure if this is a big loss or not to be honest. Sucks for him though! I hear Sarnia is lovely this time of year.

The line with Katolický and Novák was totally dominant. How could it not be anything but a great loss? He's definitely one of the most important players in the team, sure, he's not as important a player as Katolický, but he's a very skilled and smart player. Hardly anyone can fully replace him.

 

[Czechboy]

The line with Katolický and Novák was totally dominant. How could it not be anything but a great loss? He's definitely one of the most important players in the team, sure, he's not as important a player as Katolický, but he's a very skilled and smart player. Hardly anyone can fully replace him.

Seems like an annual tradition for us to lose several good players to injury.lol The Jiricek's come to mind.lol

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Is there going to be any way to watch this?

 

[Goodman68]

Is there going to be any way to watch this?

Good question.

 

[Czechboy]

This better not be a no stream from Hockey Canada scenario. Usually this one has had a nice stream and I've watched the games. I know Semi's are televised. But hoping the other games are too! Despite Czechs always losing here, I love watching this one!

 

[Goodman68]

This better not be a no stream from Hockey Canada scenario. Usually this one has had a nice stream and I've watched the games. I know Semi's are televised. But hoping the other games are too! Despite Czechs always losing here, I love watching this one!

If I'm not mistaken, TV broadcasts were paid last year. A similar scenario can be expected this year as well.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

If I'm not mistaken, TV broadcasts were paid last year. A similar scenario can be expected this year as well.

When they go that type of model, they usually don’t go back.

 

[Goodman68]

When they go that type of model, they usually don’t go back.

I guess sort of

 

[Czechboy]

If I'm not mistaken, TV broadcasts were paid last year. A similar scenario can be expected this year as well.

I think you're right... assholes!