2024 World U17 Hockey Challenge

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Had to check.. Dravecky is 16. He was good enough for Hlinka but not the U17????
I believe this is 08 births (or later). Dravecky is a December 07 (similar to Gavin McKenna), so despite not being 17 yet, I think this is his Age 17 season for these sorts of purposes. So he is not eligible.

The World Juniors makes this the simplest because it straddles the New Year so the December 31/January 1 cutoff "feels" right. The Hlinka is the most confusing imo because it occurs over the Summer and is a U18 tournament so almost half the field are players that will be starting their "U18" (i.e., age 17) season that have not had their 17th birthday yet (i.e., are still 16) which "feels like" they're playing up.

Indeed, the IIHF U18 and Hlinka U18 tournament are only a few months apart, but cover different age groups because the IIHF U18 is at the end of the previous hockey season (April-May) and the Hlinka (August 2024) is at the beginning of the next one. It would almost clarify things better if they phrased the tournament in terms of the Hockey season covered, i.e., the 2023-24 IIHF U18 Tournament and 2024-25 Gretzy Hlinka Cup because referring to them as both "2024" would seemingly imply it would cover the same age group.
 
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I believe this is 08 births (or later). Dravecky is a December 07 (similar to Gavin McKenna), so despite not being 17 yet, I think this is his Age 17 season for these sorts of purposes. So he is not eligible.

The World Juniors makes this the simplest because it straddles the New Year so the December 31/January 1 cutoff "feels" right. The Hlinka is the most confusing imo because it occurs over the Summer and is a U18 tournament so almost half the field are players that will be starting their "U18" (i.e., age 17) season that have not had their 17th birthday yet (i.e., are still 16) which "feels like" they're playing up.

Indeed, the IIHF U18 and Hlinka U18 tournament are only a few months apart, but cover different age groups because the IIHF U18 is at the end of the previous hockey season (April-May) and the Hlinka (August 2024) is at the beginning of the next one. It would almost clarify things better if they phrased the tournament in terms of the Hockey season covered, i.e., the 2023-24 IIHF U18 Tournament and 2024-25 Gretzy Hlinka Cup because referring to them as both "2024" would seemingly imply it would cover the same age group.
Thanks for this. Makes sense about Dravecky. Kind of funny if he left Slovak hockey to play for Czechs and they left him off. So then I wonder about the other Slovak we were given - Taliga?
 
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Thanks for this. Makes sense about Dravecky. Kind of funny if he left Slovak hockey to play for Czechs and they left him off. So then I wonder about the other Slovak we were given - Taliga?
Yeah I thought it may be because of this, nice to know. Taliga I think is too yound and unexperinced to play on the biggest U17 tournament out of the blue. I am sure he will get chance in some U17 or U16 NT games.

Novak as I look at it is probably injured, he played only 3 games and last was in early september so he is injured I guess, otherwise I am sure he would be there.

And what to think about the team is that the D group looks much more interesting then the F group.
 

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And what to think about the team is that the D group looks much more interesting then the F group.
Which is a trend. We've tried to overcorrect our problem. We used to be a nation of wingers. Now it seems goalies and D are our thing.

To be honest, that is so much better. I'll always take the team with stronger D and G over the team with stronger forwards.

Since I'm a geek... I rewatched the 2005 Gold win in Vienna the other day.. our blueline was 7 guys that played in the NHL...

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We are a decade away from having anything like this again. Size and skill. Even worse, the season after this lockout one.. we had 22 NHL Dman...


Sorry, it was too big to screencap.lol

Today we don't have 22 skaters. 3 D and Jiricek about to make it 4 on the bottom pair in Columbus due to an injury.

I am declaring today as the rock bottom for Czech NHL D in HISTORY. Once Jiricek scores a few points and sticks to the big club, the comeback begins!
 

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Novak! That's the one that is missing for me. Wasn't he the guy at the Youth Olympic Games?

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Thank you, I knew someone was missing. And Frolo seems to be in some kind of fight with our federation.lol He can join Svozil and Badinka.lol
Novák's absence is a big loss for the team. Last year, the first attack was far behind the rest of the team in terms of performance, especially at the Youth Olympics.
 
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Which is a trend. We've tried to overcorrect our problem. We used to be a nation of wingers. Now it seems goalies and D are our thing.

To be honest, that is so much better. I'll always take the team with stronger D and G over the team with stronger forwards.

Since I'm a geek... I rewatched the 2005 Gold win in Vienna the other day.. our blueline was 7 guys that played in the NHL...

View attachment 918555

We are a decade away from having anything like this again. Size and skill. Even worse, the season after this lockout one.. we had 22 NHL Dman...


Sorry, it was too big to screencap.lol

Today we don't have 22 skaters. 3 D and Jiricek about to make it 4 on the bottom pair in Columbus due to an injury.

I am declaring today as the rock bottom for Czech NHL D in HISTORY. Once Jiricek scores a few points and sticks to the big club, the comeback begins!
Thats depressing lol, more czech Ds in 05-06 season then we have skaters right now lol. Rock botton was declared by all of us many times, I think this year might be it. And still hope I will look at NHL stats in 10yrs from now and will see at least 30 czech skaters playing full time with at least 10 Ds. Man can hope lol
 

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Thats depressing lol, more czech Ds in 05-06 season then we have skaters right now lol. Rock botton was declared by all of us many times, I think this year might be it. And still hope I will look at NHL stats in 10yrs from now and will see at least 30 czech skaters playing full time with at least 10 Ds. Man can hope lol
I declare it TODAY because Jiricek will get in the lineup today and stay in the lineup. That gets us to 4 full time NHL D who are important to their clubs.

Baby steps Marty, baby steps.lol

And obviously Dvorak, Svozil, Spacek and Hamara will all get NHL games this season as well.

I'll see myself out!
 

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I declare it TODAY because Jiricek will get in the lineup today and stay in the lineup. That gets us to 4 full time NHL D who are important to their clubs.

Baby steps Marty, baby steps.lol

And obviously Dvorak, Svozil, Spacek and Hamara will all get NHL games this season as well.

I'll see myself out!
And Sale will crack Seattle lineup right after gold at WJC :D

What a bright future ahead of us lol
 

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And Sale will crack Seattle lineup right after gold at WJC :D
Exactly this!

also Galvas will go in round 1 in his overage year after that same gold.

Round 1 will be Galvas, Benak and Mrtka. No doubt in my mind.lol

On a more serious note.. Badinka got his first in SHL this year and I'm thrilled they kept him in SHL.
 
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Dravecky is too old. Goes by date of birth, not age. He’s born December 19, 2007. You must be born no earlier than January 1, 2008 to participate.
 
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Frolo is also a late 07...
As for the lineup, the defense is impressive first and foremost. The lineup is perfectly matched. There are separate topics on the forum about almost all the defensemen. Today I opened a topic about Kamas (his lacrosse played a significant role), although I intended to talk about Reisnecker. It's inconvenient to open a topic about two defenders on the same day, but I think Reisnecker will get there: he is tall and the only one (besides Byrtus) who constantly plays in the U20 league and scores points there.
As for the offense, it's average. Some names raise questions for me: Krajdl, Sedlacek, Slavik, Kerbler, Trefny. Instead of them I would take Tomanek, Klaus, Hrcek, Vlk and at least one from 2009 (a very strong year) someone (for example Rejthar, Hartl, Matousek (but Taliga - yes, it's too early (although he is very good)).
 

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Canadian rosters named for 2024 U17 World Challenge

Canada Red
#PlayerPosShootsHeightWeightDOBHometownCurrent Team
7Cruz PavaoForwardR5'1018308-24-2008Calgary, ABTri-City (WHL)
8Parker VaughanForwardR6'017303-06-2008St. Thomas, ONBarrie (OHL)
11Pierce MbuyiForwardL5'1014504-17-2008Mississauga, ONOwen Sound (OHL)
12Braidy WassilynForwardL6'119505-28-2008Campbellville, ONNiagara (OHL)
16Colin FitzgeraldForwardR6'217804-01-2008Peterborough, ONPeterborough (OHL)
17Alessandro Di IorioForwardR5'1116503-17-2008Vaughan, ONSarnia (OHL)
18Jaxon JacobsonForwardL5'816212-11-2008Brandon, MBBrandon (WHL)
21Joe IginlaForwardR5'1015708-13-2008Lake Country, BCEdmonton (WHL)
23Brett OlsonForwardR6'216802-24-2008Spruce Grove, ABVancouver (WHL)
24Alex McLeanForwardL5'916208-08-2008Perth, ONGuelph (OHL)
25Romain L’ItalienForwardR6'016504-07-2008L’Ancienne-Lorette, QCCape Breton (LHJMQ)
26Maddox DagenaisForwardL6'318003-27-2008Blainville, QCQuébec (LHJMQ)
27Chad LygitsakosForwardL5'815501-21-2008Trois-Rivières, QCShawinigan (LHJMQ)
2Cameron ChartrandDefenceR6'119103-03-2008Montréal, QCBishop Kearney (US16U)
3Lucas AmbrosioDefenceL6'317601-06-2008Mississauga, ONErie (OHL)
4Carson CarelsDefenceL6'016806-23-2008Cypress River, MBPrince George (WHL)
5Carter HicksDefenceR6'216102-20-2008London, ONWindsor (OHL)
6Blake GowanDefenceL6'017704-29-2008Kingston, ONPeterborough (OHL)
9Landon DuPontDefenceR5'1017205-28-2009Calgary, ABEverett (WHL)
19Kohyn EshkawkoganDefenceR5'915911-19-2008Manitoulin Island, ONOttawa (OHL)
#PlayerPosCatchesHeightWeightDOBHometownCurrent Team
30Carter EslerGoaltenderL5'914011-28-2008Okotoks, ABSpokane (WHL)
31Colin EllsworthGoaltenderL6'118212-03-2008Aurora, ONGuelph (OHL)

Canada White
#PlayerPosShootsHeightWeightDOBHometownCurrent Team
6Ethan BelchetzForwardL6'423303-30-2008Oakville, ONWindsor (OHL)
9Beckham EdwardsForwardL6'016801-06-2008Komoka, ONSarnia (OHL)
10Liam RuckForwardR5'1115502-21-2008Osoyoo, BCMedicine Hat (WHL)
11Tynan LawrenceForwardL5'1115608-03-2008Fredericton, NBMuskegon (USHL)
12Tyler ChallengerForwardL6'219204-13-2008Mississauga, ONErie (OHL)
14Jean LemieuxForwardL5'1117306-19-2008Belleville, ONWindsor (OHL)
16Mathis PrestonForwardR5'1116607-21-2008Penticton, BCSpokane (WHL)
19Logan HaweryForwardL5'916803-15-2008Barrie, ONLondon (OHL)
20Markus RuckForwardL5'1015002-21-2008Osoyoos, BCMedicine Hat (WHL)
21Adam ValentiniForwardL5'918704-11-2008Toronto, ONChicago (USHL)
23Riley BoychukForwardR5'916001-31-2008Cochrane, ABPrince Albert (WHL)
27Cole ZurawskiForwardR5'1015702-06-2008Etobicoke, ONFlint (OHL)
29Jayden PlouffeForwardL5'1016801-25-2008Terrebonne, QCChicoutimi (LHJMQ)
2Giorgos PantelasDefenceR6'218404-24-2008Victoria, BCBrandon (WHL)
3Keaton VerhoeffDefenceR6'320006-19-2008Fort Saskatchewan, ABVictoria (WHL)
4Daxon RudolphDefenceR6'118503-06-2008Lacombe, ABPrince Albert (WHL)
5Ryan LinDefenceR5'1115204-18-2008Richmond, BCVancouver (WHL)
7Benjamin Cossette-AyotteDefenceR6'116001-03-2008Trois-Rivières, QCVal-d’Or (LHJMQ)
8Callum CroskeryDefenceL6'016301-29-2008Oakville, ONChicago (USHL)
24Caleb MitchellDefenceL5'915503-17-2008Omemme, ONLondon (OHL)
#PlayerPosCatchesHeightWeightDOBHometownCurrent Team
1Antoine ProulxGoaltenderL5'1114207-11-2008Saint-Joseph-du-Lac, QCLevis (LHM18AAAQ)
30Gavin BettsGoaltenderL5'1117504-03-2008Toronto, ONPickering (OJHL)
Cooper Williams is getting the Ben Kindel treatment from last year. Clearly one of the best U-17 in Canada but not selected. They put way too much emphasis on CHL draft position and not enough on actual performance in selecting these teams.
 

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Cooper Williams is getting the Ben Kindel treatment from last year. Clearly one of the best U-17 in Canada but not selected. They put way too much emphasis on CHL draft position and not enough on actual performance in selecting these teams.
Combination of his size and draft position. I think when they were doing camp selection, they just saw a 145 lb second rounder and said, no thanks. That being said, he was one of the top scorers in the AEHL, and I was a surprised they didn't bring him to camp. Now, given his production in the W so far, his exclusion looks foolish. They usually make a mistake or two, it's tricky to get it completely right, these kids are in part of their development where 6 months is a big difference. Hopefully Williams just continues his successful season in W, and makes it impossible for them to leave him off the U18 team.
 
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Not sure if this is a big loss or not to be honest. Sucks for him though! I hear Sarnia is lovely this time of year.
The line with Katolický and Novák was totally dominant. How could it not be anything but a great loss? He's definitely one of the most important players in the team, sure, he's not as important a player as Katolický, but he's a very skilled and smart player. Hardly anyone can fully replace him.
 
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The line with Katolický and Novák was totally dominant. How could it not be anything but a great loss? He's definitely one of the most important players in the team, sure, he's not as important a player as Katolický, but he's a very skilled and smart player. Hardly anyone can fully replace him.
Seems like an annual tradition for us to lose several good players to injury.lol The Jiricek's come to mind.lol
 
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