OT: 2024 Weather Thread

[Bryanbryoil]

At some point in the future everyone will be using EV..You'll be dead by then so don't worry about it.

Hopefully hydrogen powered vehicles or something better by then. Or as others have said the average Joe won't have personal vehicles while the super rich will still pollute to their heart's content.

 

[doulos]

Hopefully hydrogen powered vehicles or something better by then. Or as others have said the average Joe won't have personal vehicles while the super rich will still pollute to their heart's content.

Not worried about this.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Not worried about this.

That's good, get a good pair of walking shoes and a bicycle and you're in good shape.

 

[doulos]

That's good, get a good pair of walking shoes and a bicycle and you're in good shape.

Not worried about it because it's nonsense

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Not worried about it because it's nonsense

We'll see. Don't forget those shoes.

 

[doulos]

We'll see. Don't forget those shoes.

Still waiting for the destruction of society from the printing press.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Still waiting for the destruction of society from the printing press.

Open your eyes and see what's going on around you. The cost of food, goods, etc. the amount of homelessness rising. Place everything fine meme here. At this rate in 20-30 years most won't even be able to afford a car so they'll make that decision for you.

 

[ThePhoenixx]

Not worried about it because it's nonsense

That is exactly what they want you to do when they're Virtue Signalling.

Not think.

 

[doulos]

Open your eyes and see what's going on around you. The cost of food, goods, etc. the amount of homelessness rising. Place everything fine meme here. At this rate in 20-30 years most won't even be able to afford a car.

Sure. Whatever you think.

That is exactly what they want you to do when they're Virtue Signalling.

Not think.

I have thought a lot about this instead of just being force fed what Rex Murphy tells me but you do you.

 

[mkatcherin00]

Fair enough, but a few things to consider.

We didn’t spend a dime on charging infrastructure for our house, we have trickle charged in a regular circuit for over a year. It has only needed supercharging once. Its in a heated garage, that makes a huge difference but Level 2 charging is not a necessity.

As for driving in this weather I have driven both vehicles in this weather and the EV is way more comfortable as the heat pump makes it very comfortable. It is far, far less likely to break down than our other car, but yes, the range penalty is pretty severe in this weather but for running around town it’s fine. So its not ready to take out of town in this weather but we’ve got an ice for that.

You are bang on in that it’s not the solution for everything, everywhere, which is what makes this so interesting as the ICE was the solution everywhere. I imagine when we replace the ICE we will get a plug in hybrid and so have that along with an EV moving forward being a great combination.

I love my Tesla. I have a gas SUV as well. The downfall is the range goes down in this weather, but context is King. I need to charge my car once a week. I have gone out of town in the winter to kananaskis. Wasn't bad. Charged 10 min in red deer. another 15sh Cross irons. Hotel had charging to top up when leaving. I like how it plans your whole trip for you. How far the next charging station is and how much you will have left by the time you get there.

Also have 30 Solar panels on my house, so that helps as well.

 

[doulos]

I love my Tesla. I have a gas SUV as well. The downfall is the range goes down in this weather, but context is King. I need to charge my car once a week. I have gone out of town in the winter to kananaskis. Wasn't bad. Charged 10 min in red deer. another 15sh Cross irons. Hotel had charging to top up when leaving. I like how it plans your whole trip for you. How far the next charging station is and how much you will have left by the time you get there.

Also have 30 Solar panels on my house, so that helps as well.

I'm looking forward to our next vehicle being an EV but likely not a Tesla. However, by the time we wear out our current vehicle I suppose there will be a lot of different options of all sorts of reasonable prices.

We looked at solar by the pay off was way too long of a time frame since we don't plan on staying in our home long enough.

 

[mkatcherin00]

I'm looking forward to our next vehicle being an EV but likely not a Tesla. However, by the time we wear out our current vehicle I suppose there will be a lot of different options of all sorts of reasonable prices.

We looked at solar by the pay off was way too long of a time frame since we don't plan on staying in our home long enough.

My home is just 1 year old now, so made sense for me. Bought my EV a week before I moved in. They have a Green Homes grant that lets you borrow up to 40K interest free for Solar and other house upgrades.. Monthly payments from that come out to much much lower than my power bills. Plus some added value to your home. I got max coverage. You can make 1K-3K depending on how much power you sell to the grid from the summers

 

[doulos]

My home is just 1 year old now, so made sense for me. Bought my EV a week before I moved in. They have a Green Homes grant that lets you borrow up to 40K interest free for Solar and other house upgrades.. Monthly payments from that come out to much much lower than my power bills. Plus some added value to your home. I got max coverage. You can make 1K-3K depending on how much power you sell to the grid from the summers

Nice. Sounds like it made a lot more sense for you than for us. After we sell this home I am unsure if we will even buy again (good chance we just rent), but if we were to have one final "to die in" home then would consider solar at that point.

 

[nexttothemoon]

Still -46 here in the last hour...

It's impressive that it can be this cold here and places in Quebec are +5 right now.

 

[BlackDogg]

My home is just 1 year old now, so made sense for me. Bought my EV a week before I moved in. They have a Green Homes grant that lets you borrow up to 40K interest free for Solar and other house upgrades.. Monthly payments from that come out to much much lower than my power bills. Plus some added value to your home. I got max coverage. You can make 1K-3K depending on how much power you sell to the grid from the summers

Curious, how long do they think the solar panels will last before replacement? Are they somewhat hail proof?

 

[EchoesoftheEighties]

Just move to Dubai and you don't worry about any of this

 

[ThePhoenixx]

Sure. Whatever you think.


I have thought a lot about this instead of just being force fed what Rex Murphy tells me but you do you.

Oh, the irony!

Not sure who Rex Murphy is, but I am really enjoying the constant "climate crisis" commercials paid for by the Feds and the constant fear mongering from our Canadian media who also are paid for by the Feds. Or the Climate Tankers on Redditt, etc.

Force fed indeed!

See, -40 can be fun! Great conversations!

 

[mkatcherin00]

Curious, how long do they think the solar panels will last before replacement? Are they somewhat hail proof?

NAIT has done testing a 5 year study in brutal weather and snow. Edmonton is good b/c we get a lot of sun. I personally know 7 people who got the same panels as me.

On average, most panels degrade 0.5% a year. Supposed to last 25 years.

looked at 12 solar modules installed atop the Shaw Theatre on NAIT’s main campus. It measured the impact of snow on the system as well as how the tilt of each module affected energy production.

Researchers found the angle of the solar panels has a far greater impact on energy production than snowfall. The ideal angle for maximum energy production with snow accumulation was 45 degrees.

Data was collected from the solar modules every five minutes every day for five years – enough to fill 6,000 spreadsheets. Two Alternative Energy students analyzed the data as part of their final course project.

They are designed to withstand hail with testing, but nothing is guaranteed with that IMO. I would be nervous lol. Putting them at 45 degrees is supposed to help as well I believe. Hail that is about 1.8"-2" can potentially damage them. They are pretty strong under that.

Just have to hope almost baseball sized hail doesn't hit

 

[doulos]

Oh, the irony!

Not sure who Rex Murphy is, but I am really enjoying the constant "climate crisis" commercials paid for by the Feds and the constant fear mongering from our Canadian media who also are paid for by the Feds. Or the Climate Tankers on Redditt, etc.

Force fed indeed!

See, -40 can be fun! Great conversations!

I love swinging by this forum every once and a while. It's like hanging out at the local coffee shop with all the old timers who swap their conspiracies and stories about things. Good people but hilarious to listen to.

Reddit is the opposite. It's like dropping by a first year undergrad class and listening to a bunch of young people who think they have everything figured out because they watched a few tiktok videos. Again, good kids, but funny.

Anyone who thinks a climate crisis does not exist is completely ignorant of reality. Now, the best way to deal with this extremely real situation is where the really interesting conversations happen between smart people across the political and social spectrum. The feasibility of EV cars, battery tech, nuclear power, carbon taxes (and more) are all nuanced topics that are great to discuss. Saying there is no climate crisis is not. That's either willful ignorance or internet trolling.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Green Xero liked the post anyway. lol. You almost want to screenshot that.

Canada's emissions, or decreases in emissions don't make a spit of difference in global emissions. Unfortunately atmosphere doesn't know borders. Who knew.

 

[Tarus]

NAIT has done testing a 5 year study in brutal weather and snow. Edmonton is good b/c we get a lot of sun. I personally know 7 people who got the same panels as me.

On average, most panels degrade 0.5% a year. Supposed to last 25 years.

looked at 12 solar modules installed atop the Shaw Theatre on NAIT’s main campus. It measured the impact of snow on the system as well as how the tilt of each module affected energy production.

Researchers found the angle of the solar panels has a far greater impact on energy production than snowfall. The ideal angle for maximum energy production with snow accumulation was 45 degrees.

Data was collected from the solar modules every five minutes every day for five years – enough to fill 6,000 spreadsheets. Two Alternative Energy students analyzed the data as part of their final course project.

They are designed to withstand hail with testing, but nothing is guaranteed with that IMO. I would be nervous lol. Putting them at 45 degrees is supposed to help as well I believe. Hail that is about 1.8"-2" can potentially damage them. They are pretty strong under that.

Just have to hope almost baseball sized hail doesn't hit

200 MW, 14000 panel solar farm just got destroyed out in Nebraska this summer due to hail. All of it's going to end up in landfills since solar panels/windmills aren't recyclable, a significant portion of it is also toxic waste

 

[doulos]

Green Xero liked the post anyway. lol. You almost want to screenshot that.

Canada's emissions, or decreases in emissions don't make a spit of difference in global emissions. Unfortunately atmosphere doesn't know borders. Who knew.

Incorrect

 

[mkatcherin00]

200 MW, 14000 panel solar farm just got destroyed out in Nebraska this summer due to hail. All of it's going to end up in landfills since solar panels/windmills aren't recyclable, a significant portion of it is also toxic waste

I seen that before. It was an extreme storm. How many have we had like? I remember the one in CGY

In general, the roofs usually get damaged in massive hail storms moreseo than the panels. Anything can have a tiny amount of risk. I did a ton of research about it before I considered them. Even some get damaged, which is very very low, I am ok. It won't hurt me.

 

[Drivesaitl]

NAIT has done testing a 5 year study in brutal weather and snow. Edmonton is good b/c we get a lot of sun. I personally know 7 people who got the same panels as me.

On average, most panels degrade 0.5% a year. Supposed to last 25 years.

looked at 12 solar modules installed atop the Shaw Theatre on NAIT’s main campus. It measured the impact of snow on the system as well as how the tilt of each module affected energy production.

Researchers found the angle of the solar panels has a far greater impact on energy production than snowfall. The ideal angle for maximum energy production with snow accumulation was 45 degrees.

Data was collected from the solar modules every five minutes every day for five years – enough to fill 6,000 spreadsheets. Two Alternative Energy students analyzed the data as part of their final course project.

They are designed to withstand hail with testing, but nothing is guaranteed with that IMO. I would be nervous lol. Putting them at 45 degrees is supposed to help as well I believe. Hail that is about 1.8"-2" can potentially damage them. They are pretty strong under that.

Just have to hope almost baseball sized hail doesn't hit

Curious about how much the angle of greatest production changes as angle of inclination of the sun changes at this latitude. Not sure if the studies are specific on that. In any case most solar panels residentially installed here are dependent on roof incline and are fixed. (or at least my understanding of it.)

From a lot of literature (and much of what one see's online is produced by vested interests) they seek to minimize the impact of snow and ice impact even though its significant, they also seek to minimize how much solar production is impacted (obviously by our short winter days). So that one reads lots of stories that solar panels here in winter still produce a lot of energy. Without being very specific about how much, how much less, and actually putting reliable figures out. A lot of claims and the current 25yr warranty claims are unsubstantiated until such time has passed and these products actually survive 25yrs with reasonable efficiency in real world conditions.

 

[mkatcherin00]

Solar will be an ongoing thing and probably improve just like EV's will. All I know is that I pay in the low $100's a month for my loan and I am pretty much not going to pay for electricity every again (or very very low depending on how much and when you use it). Having a Tesla helps pay it off sooner too, No more hundreds of dollars in gas. I spend maybe $150 max in gas on my SUV because I drive it less.. I'm in a situation where I don't drive around a ton in general. Even with kids. Lots of things nearby. Saving $$ though.