OT: 2024 Weather Thread

[OilynutEsquire]

Was a reference to plans for the roll out of majority driving EV's in a short period of time which most assuredly our grid cannot handle.

Yet this doesn't stop the same from being shoved down our throats. The most valid use of electricity right now is in heating our homes. If our grid cannot handle even this than it should offer a lot of foresight into future plans involving our electricity. It was a side point.

The EV push makes no sense after you start researching it a little deeper. Probably worse for the enviroment with way more issues involved with it. Battery disposal will be an ecological nightmare

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

I’m assuming @5 Mins 4 Ftg is doing alright:


I remember flying in from Hawaii back to YEG and the temp swing went from +31 to -32…stepping off that plane onto the walkway i contemplated life haha

Doing ok thx for asking! Actually in Ecuador the past couple days! What a beautiful country!

 

[tinfish]

This goes further OT but solar and wind contribute negligible amounts to the power grid when the electricity is most needed in these cold events. Solar is not even a starter here in winter. How could it be at this latitude? That isn't enough solar hours to generate shit.

Solar arrays also have a limited usage time frame and the tech has never really met the propped lifespans. Plus a whole lot of energy obviously goes into installing, manufacturing, recycling these arrays.

Wind turbines ANY of them do not work at these temps. Repeat, don't work. Not even an option. Even cold weather turbines stop working at lol -22fahrenheit and that is WITH heaters heating them, lol

The solutions are not as easy as we've been led to believe.

With the advancements in battery tech I think solar and wind are viable, but I appreciate your concerns. It's also the reason I think we should seriously consider nuclear energy as an option, but there has been a massive campaign to vilify nuclear energy by the oil and gas industries and I appreciate why people are afraid of it

 

[tinfish]

The EV push makes no sense after you start researching it a little deeper. Probably worse for the enviroment with way more issues involved with it. Battery disposal will be an ecological nightmare

Batteries can be recycled and disposed of easily compared to the ecological nightmare of cleaning up oil and gas wells that the oil companies walk away from and leave as a provincial tax burden.

 

[OilynutEsquire]

Batteries can be recycled and disposed of easily compared to the ecological nightmare of cleaning up oil and gas wells that the oil companies walk away from and leave as a provincial tax burden.

That is main stream propaganda. The oil and gas sector is much different today compared to the past. Lots of legislature to ensure that the environment is protected

 

[tinfish]

That is main stream propaganda. The oil and gas sector is much different today compared to the past. Lots of legislature to ensure that the environment is protected

I appreciate your opinion, but I don't agree with it. I believe Kenny and Smith have removed numerous measures to hold oil and gas companies accountable to environmental concerns. I do think it is important for us to have these conversations though, and I enjoy having healthy discourse with people like yourself because I think it is important for us to talk honestly about these issues.

 

[CROTT]

That is main stream propaganda. The oil and gas sector is much different today compared to the past. Lots of legislature to ensure that the environment is protected

That is true, to some the Oil and gas sector is and will always be pure evil doing everything they can to damage the environment and the towns they operate around regardless of how responsible and environment conscious the sector is and continues to improve on compared to producers in other parts of the world.

And they seam to like to ignore the economic benefits of the high paid jobs ( and jobs period out west as they'll build countless battery plants out east) and the companies that the Oil and gas companies support by buying their products to be used on site. I think a lot of the busses used on sites used to be built in Quebec at one point (could still be).

 

[CROTT]

I appreciate your opinion, but I don't agree with it. I believe Kenny and Smith have removed numerous measures to hold oil and gas companies accountable to environmental concerns. I do think it is important for us to have these conversations though, and I enjoy having healthy discourse with people like yourself because I think it is important for us to talk honestly about these issues.

Any actual proof of this or just speculation on your part?

 

[tinfish]

That is true, to some the Oil and gas sector is and will always be pure evil doing everything they can to damage the environment and the towns they operate around regardless of how responsible and environment conscious the sector is and continues to improve on compared to producers in other parts of the world.

And they seam to like to ignore the economic benefits of the high paid jobs ( and jobs period out west as they'll build countless battery plants out east) and the companies that the Oil and gas companies support by buying their products to be used on site. I think a lot of the busses used on sites used to be built in Quebec at one point (could still be).

I detect a lot of sarcasm in this post, but it's good to hear from you Crott. I haven't seen you post in a long time

 

[Drivesaitl]

Batteries can be recycled and disposed of easily compared to the ecological nightmare of cleaning up oil and gas wells that the oil companies walk away from and leave as a provincial tax burden.

Could provide countless citations that this is not at all going well with disposal of Batteries of any type, let alone EV batteries.

State's goal to keep batteries out of landfills needs a recharge

A new measure requiring manufacturers to develop a collection program for batteries and rechargeable devices would cut risks of toxic exposures to humans and the environment.

calmatters.org

Why Battery Recycling Is the Largest Hazard Facing the Recycling Industry - ERI

Battery recycling is one of the most significant hazards to the e-waste industry. It’s a precarious business for workers and facility owners. The dangers start with how home and business owners recycle their unnecessary or dead batteries and electronic devices.Batteries contain plastic, metal...

eridirect.com

This disposal of batteries of all types is going horribly.

Batteries involve environmental catastrophe at 3 stages. Mining, manufacturing, disposal.

Heres some more problems.

The massive environmental cost of batteries | ONiO

Batteries are crucial to our modern way of life, but their impact on the environment is becoming increasingly apparent. Read more about the massive environmental cost of batteries at ONiO.

www.onio.com

Not sure where you are getting your sources from. I would start looking for more information and from varied sources.

 

[CROTT]

I detect a lot of sarcasm in this post, but it's good to hear from you Crott. I haven't seen you post in a long time

Not really meant to be sarcastic, just trying to make the point that I'd rather some work with the sector to help it continue to improve rather then doing everything in their power to kill an industry that greatly supports the province not only financially but with power as well.

Especially with the power struggles for electricity on hot and cold days like today. Change is good, but trying to force it almost over night, yes an exaggeration, is going to cripple the province unless its done properly which will take more time then the left is allotting currently.

 

[OilynutEsquire]

I appreciate your opinion, but I don't agree with it. I believe Kenny and Smith have removed numerous measures to hold oil and gas companies accountable to environmental concerns. I do think it is important for us to have these conversations though, and I enjoy having healthy discourse with people like yourself because I think it is important for us to talk honestly about these issues.

Always love being able to have a civil conversation. The past few years made me question if that would still be possible.

One of my other pastimes is researching microcap oil and gas stocks, preferably located in Alberta. Capping and decommissioning/recommissioning old well locations is some companies only source revenue. Government definitely encourages the practice.

 

[tinfish]

Could provide countless citations that this is not at all going well with disposal of Batteries of any type, let alone EV batteries.

State's goal to keep batteries out of landfills needs a recharge

A new measure requiring manufacturers to develop a collection program for batteries and rechargeable devices would cut risks of toxic exposures to humans and the environment.

calmatters.org

Why Battery Recycling Is the Largest Hazard Facing the Recycling Industry - ERI

Battery recycling is one of the most significant hazards to the e-waste industry. It’s a precarious business for workers and facility owners. The dangers start with how home and business owners recycle their unnecessary or dead batteries and electronic devices.Batteries contain plastic, metal...

eridirect.com

This disposal of batteries of all types is going horribly.

Batteries involve environmental catastrophe at 3 stages. Mining, manufacturing, disposal.

Not sure where you are getting your sources from. I would start looking for more information and from varied sources.

I agree the mining and manufacturing of batteries is an ugly process currently. Thank you for the sources you provided regarding the disposal of batteries. I will read the links you provided

Not really meant to be sarcastic, just trying to make the point that I'd rather some work with the sector to help it continue to improve rather then doing everything in their power to kill an industry that greatly supports the province not only financially but with power as well.

All good. I appreciate your perspective, and if I can gain knowledge from you then I am grateful

 

[tinfish]

Always love being able to have a civil conversation. The past few years made me question if that would still be possible.

One of my other pastimes is researching microcap oil and gas stocks, preferably located in Alberta. Capping and decommissioning/recommissioning old well locations is some companies only source revenue. Government definitely encourages the practice.

You likely have a lot more insight into the industry than I do if that is your field of expertise.

 

[tinfish]

Not really meant to be sarcastic, just trying to make the point that I'd rather some work with the sector to help it continue to improve rather then doing everything in their power to kill an industry that greatly supports the province not only financially but with power as well.

Especially with the power struggles for electricity on hot and cold days like today. Change is good, but trying to force it almost over night, yes an exaggeration, is going to cripple the province unless its done properly.

Furthermore I agree, any work that can be done to advance the appreciation of our natural resources from the oil and gas industry is crucial. I recognize that we can't just walk away from such a vital industry, but I would like to see us diversify our means of energy consumption.

 

[Xelebes]

No pond hockey tonight.

 

[tinfish]

No pond hockey tonight.

not with that attitude

 

[OilynutEsquire]

You likely have a lot more insight into the industry than I do if that is your field of expertise.

Im far from an expert, but I know enough that the mainstreams view is often biased unfairly

 

[doulos]

When I used to run I ran in temps like we have today. I doubt I ran in -40 as we haven’t seen it that cold in decades.

I ran today outside today. Just over an hour. Wasn't cold at all. No word of a lie. Actually had one too many layers on and could have cut one.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Today was nice in that there was no wind where we are. Makes so much difference not having the wind. I think the wind velocity and windchill might have been miscalculated for today. It was reasonable being out today. Went outside for over an hour and first few breaths can feel cold but after that not a problem. Standing still would be more of a problem.

 

[harpoon]

Doing ok thx for asking! Actually in Ecuador the past couple days! What a beautiful country!

Isn’t there like a total meltdown in Ecuador these days? Be careful.

How Ecuador went from being Latin America's model of stability to a nation in crisis

Widespread violence tied to Ecuadorian drug gangs has left the country looking at a draconian response.

news.yahoo.com

 

[Sra1974]

Could provide countless citations that this is not at all going well with disposal of Batteries of any type, let alone EV batteries.

State's goal to keep batteries out of landfills needs a recharge

A new measure requiring manufacturers to develop a collection program for batteries and rechargeable devices would cut risks of toxic exposures to humans and the environment.

calmatters.org

Why Battery Recycling Is the Largest Hazard Facing the Recycling Industry - ERI

Battery recycling is one of the most significant hazards to the e-waste industry. It’s a precarious business for workers and facility owners. The dangers start with how home and business owners recycle their unnecessary or dead batteries and electronic devices.Batteries contain plastic, metal...

eridirect.com

This disposal of batteries of all types is going horribly.

Batteries involve environmental catastrophe at 3 stages. Mining, manufacturing, disposal.

Heres some more problems.

The massive environmental cost of batteries | ONiO

Batteries are crucial to our modern way of life, but their impact on the environment is becoming increasingly apparent. Read more about the massive environmental cost of batteries at ONiO.

www.onio.com

Not sure where you are getting your sources from. I would start looking for more information and from varied sources.

The recycling of EV batteries is absolutey in its newborn stage due to the fact that supply today is pretty limited. Fast forward 15 years or so and that changes rapidly and the raw materials are very valuable and recoverable. Things will change. We have to remember that the EV industry has only recently taken off, the pace of change will be high. What we know today will change quickly.

We have one EV, one ice, it’s the perfect combination for now and the EV doesn’t change our overall peak load at all, we are still on the same service.

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

When you spend 90 minutes unthawing a frozen water pipe and the water starts flowing again...

 

[Drivesaitl]

The recycling of EV batteries is absolutey in its newborn stage due to the fact that supply today is pretty limited. Fast forward 15 years or so and that changes rapidly and the raw materials are very valuable and recoverable. Things will change. We have to remember that the EV industry has only recently taken off, the pace of change will be high. What we know today will change quickly.

We have one EV, one ice, it’s the perfect combination for now and the EV doesn’t change our overall peak load at all, we are still on the same service.

Batteries of many types have been around since I was born. Recylcing of batteries has ALWAYS been a sore point and still today range from negligible recycling and proper disposal to amounts like 5-8% being recycled. Li-ons are incredibly toxic and so poorly streamed and recycled. Li-on has been around for a longtime and are poorly recycled, and yet are worth money.

I do suspect EV recycling will be much more common but as with all successful recycling schemes it needs to be for money. For the bucks.

People can get money for recyclables. Why are batteries not a payback scheme? Why have they never been?

For instance people should be able to get money back for current normal auto batteries. Why has this never been the case or encouraged?

It seems as if in the case of batteries people should just do it of goodwill, and that doesn't always work out.

Cities could do a lot more too. I'm not crazy about transporting old batteries inside my vehicle INTERIOR which could even be dangerous. You'd think a city could arrange a once a year pick up for such and that would be of great benefit and result in a lot more compliance if there was curbside pickup. There should be on a once per year basis. We can't afford not to be doing things like that. Needs to be more curbside pick up schemes. At least occasionally offered.

People complain about abandoned oil wells and such In effect whereas every sold and spent battery not properly returned, recycled is "abandoned". Those improperly returned are worse, they cause fires, explosions and untold toxicity at landfills and potential leaching etc.

Battery recycle rates are shockingly bad. An utter failure.

But heres a last thing to consider. Thefts of even catalytic converters and such have been rampant here and costing tons of money to people having to replace out of pocket. An incredible expense. The first thought i have about EV batteries is thefts. With these batteries costing neighborhood of 10K to replace. This is already occurring in several jurisdictions. Its just the next crime coming. Consumers as per usual eating all the costs.

 

[Sra1974]

Batteries of many types have been around since I was born. Recylcing of batteries has ALWAYS been a sore point and still today range from negligible recycling and proper disposal to amounts like 5-8% being recycled. Li-ons are incredibly toxic and so poorly streamed and recycled. Li-on has been around for a longtime and are poorly recycled, and yet are worth money.

I do suspect EV recycling will be much more common but as with all successful recycling schemes it needs to be for money. For the bucks.

People can get money for recyclables. Why are batteries not a payback scheme? Why have they never been?

For instance people should be able to get money back for current normal auto batteries. Why has this never been the case or encouraged?

It seems as if in the case of batteries people should just do it of goodwill, and that doesn't always work out.

Cities could do a lot more too. I'm not crazy about transporting old batteries inside my vehicle INTERIOR. You'd think a city could arrange a once a year pick up for such and that would be of great benefit and result in a lot more compliance if there was curbside pickup. There should be on a once per year basis. We can't afford not to be doing things like that. Needs to be more curbside pick up schemes. At least occasionally offered.

People complain about abandoned oil wells and such In effect whereas every sold and spent battery not properly returned, recycled is "abandoned". Those improperly returned are worse, they cause fires, explosions and untold toxicity at landfills and potential leaching etc.

Battery recycle rates are shockingly bad. An utter failure.

Comparing the batteries we use in our remote control to an EV battery is not a great equivalency. There is so much valuable material to be used in the EV battery and so much is being done on that front, just like the oil and gas industry has taken leaps and bounds so will the EV industry. In addition there is lots of research going into the reuse of EV batteries as household storage. For example a depleted EV battery could still store 3 days of a household use. Pair that with a solar installation and things get interesting quick.

I have spent my career in the oil and gas industry, our product will be used for decades to come. That said the EV industry is evolving, fast and it’s fascinating to watch happen. It is not as perfect as it’s made out to be, not close, but it’s an amazing technology and one of the most enjoyable vehicles I have driven.