Both f***ing suck and both I'm staying inside.
But at least you aren't running around panicking when something breaks down in +40 and the roads aren't as dangerous.
I also dislike that my jacket becomes as hard as a tarp when I go outside in -40.
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But at least you aren't running around panicking when something breaks down in +40 and the roads aren't as dangerous.
I also dislike that my jacket becomes as hard as a tarp when I go outside in -40.
If someone offered me a job in Arizona I'd take it instantly. Sure, I might say "Jesus its hot out" come June but i'd quickly stop and say, "remember what it was like back in Edmonton?" would stop the complaint dead in its tracks.
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Ya +40 isn't nice at all... but if I had to choose -40 all the time or +40 all the time... I think I'd go with +40 and just crank the AC. Both are basically crap for outdoor activities though so it's crap either way... but dealing with frozen pipes/batteries etc would be an issue that isn't there with +40.. so slight edge for the hot weather.
The way you have chosen to puncuate this "sentence" is fascinating to me.
bellagiobob
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At least when it's +40 you can go out later in the evening for a walk, etc when it cools down.
KeithIsActuallyBad
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I find it's much easier to warm up than cool down so give me the cold weather anyday, and cold weather SUCKS.
brentashton
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I usually go to my house in Phoenix every midAugust for 10 days/2 weeks. Temps will always be +40 for highs and lows at night might get to +25c if you’re lucky. Having experienced -50 living in Saskatchewan and AZ summer heat, AZ heat hands down for me. Just a personal choice. It is hard on animals though, our dogs stay inside from about 10am to 5pm, and then we soak the pool deck with water to cool it off and we all jump in the water for the late afternoon/evening. Can’t take them for a walk until 10, 11 at night as the pavement will burn their pads. I’ve even seen people out walking at 2-3 in the morning to escape.
Being in the utility industry my entire career I asked some AZ linemen their what their typical workday is like in that heat and it starts at 6 am, lots of water and shade breaks (not too different than working in extreme cold, here).
I will say this though many of our acquaintances who are year round residents are looking to move out of AZ after the last few summers. Extreme heat starting earlier and ending later in the season has them saying all the same things Canadians say about prairie winters.
Typically a lot of them go to Montana or Idaho for the summer months to escape.
Drivesaitl
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The +40C vs -40C discussion is often misleading. -40C is exceedingly rare in Edmonton. There are not many days where it gets to that in say Edmonton region.
I counted 46 instances of -40C or lower in last 25yrs. Thats less than 2X per year. We tend to forget how rare that is when we're in the middle of a cold snap. For instance 11 of those 25 yrs we didn't hit it at any point in the year.
Contrast the places like Phoenix Arizona that are hell of +40C temperatures. Phoenix last year had 31 days in a row where the high did not get under 43C. These are heat lethal days. 31 in a row.
The total for Phoenix is worse, far worse. 55days this year where it was +110F or higher. (+43.3C)
So that Phoenix saw the absurdly high spikes in temp 55 times in one year. Which is more than the -40C days we've seen in the last 25yrs.
So that its fine to discuss the hypothetical likes. But the actual temps in Edmonton vs some US desert cities is quite a different matter. We have an astoundingly more temperate climate, and easier to live in.
Nor is Phoenix enjoyable at night during heat waves. Quite often now temps overnight in Phoenix area can hover in high 30's. So that basically Phoenix see's little reprieve ANYTIME during heat waves.
I counted 46 instances of -40C or lower in last 25yrs. Thats less than 2X per year. We tend to forget how rare that is when we're in the middle of a cold snap. For instance 11 of those 25 yrs we didn't hit it at any point in the year.
Number of Days with a Windchill ≤ -40 - Annual data for Edmonton
Chart and data: Number of Days with a Windchill ≤ -40 - Annual data (25 years) for Edmonton for Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
edmonton.weatherstats.ca
Contrast the places like Phoenix Arizona that are hell of +40C temperatures. Phoenix last year had 31 days in a row where the high did not get under 43C. These are heat lethal days. 31 in a row.
The total for Phoenix is worse, far worse. 55days this year where it was +110F or higher. (+43.3C)
So that Phoenix saw the absurdly high spikes in temp 55 times in one year. Which is more than the -40C days we've seen in the last 25yrs.
So that its fine to discuss the hypothetical likes. But the actual temps in Edmonton vs some US desert cities is quite a different matter. We have an astoundingly more temperate climate, and easier to live in.
Nor is Phoenix enjoyable at night during heat waves. Quite often now temps overnight in Phoenix area can hover in high 30's. So that basically Phoenix see's little reprieve ANYTIME during heat waves.
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I remember flying in from Hawaii back to YEG and the temp swing went from +31 to -32…stepping off that plane onto the walkway i contemplated life haha
I remember flying in from Hawaii back to YEG and the temp swing went from +31 to -32…stepping off that plane onto the walkway i contemplated life haha
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Jet Walters
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It works if you insert a teeth chattering moan of anguish where every comma is while reading.
LeonDraisaitl29
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I was in awe of it. Not in a mean way. Just perplexed by the decision to place the commas where they are. I read it like 50 times. I even showed it to my girlfriend. I was like "babe, you have to read this sentence. It's ridiculous".
CantHaveTkachev
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+40 over -40 any day of the week...not close really
way too much shit can go wrong at -40...like freezing pipes, car won't start, furnace breaking, horrible roads conditions, frostbite in like 2 minutes isn't appealing to me
at +40 you may have to turn on a fan and drink more water than normal lol
way too much shit can go wrong at -40...like freezing pipes, car won't start, furnace breaking, horrible roads conditions, frostbite in like 2 minutes isn't appealing to me
at +40 you may have to turn on a fan and drink more water than normal lol
Drivesaitl
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So a helpful note. With these weather extremes your heating system is working very hard. Do anything to give it a break. Want to do some baking? Do it now. Good time. Want to use the oven for anything, good time. Kitchen can generate some heat to upstairs at these times.
Place rolled towels over bottom of back and front doors. Unless you have the best possible doors and seals you'll be seeing some heat loss at doors.
If you have some space heaters it not the worst idea to crank a couple up just to heat the house a bit and aid your furnace. Your furnace doesn't require this, but its something to think about so that the furnace can get a bit of a break.
if you get a furnace break down (and they typically take place right at these lows because its the hardest your furnace ever has to work) then use space heaters around the house, move them around. get some heat in there. You may panic but with oven on, space heaters on (we have 3 just for emergency type use) you'll be able to keep your house warm enough through weekend and until the temps pick up a bit. Furnace call volumes would be a nightmare right now. With some modest work even with a furnace breakdown you can keep your home warm enough for days.
Reducing temp slightly to 18-19C is also a way to give your furnace a break. Get out the sweaters, blankets. Its much harder for furnace to work for that each extra degree C.
Place rolled towels over bottom of back and front doors. Unless you have the best possible doors and seals you'll be seeing some heat loss at doors.
If you have some space heaters it not the worst idea to crank a couple up just to heat the house a bit and aid your furnace. Your furnace doesn't require this, but its something to think about so that the furnace can get a bit of a break.
if you get a furnace break down (and they typically take place right at these lows because its the hardest your furnace ever has to work) then use space heaters around the house, move them around. get some heat in there. You may panic but with oven on, space heaters on (we have 3 just for emergency type use) you'll be able to keep your house warm enough through weekend and until the temps pick up a bit. Furnace call volumes would be a nightmare right now. With some modest work even with a furnace breakdown you can keep your home warm enough for days.
Reducing temp slightly to 18-19C is also a way to give your furnace a break. Get out the sweaters, blankets. Its much harder for furnace to work for that each extra degree C.
Jet Walters
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Apparently the power grid is under a lot of strain, so only use space heaters if absolutely necessary.
Drivesaitl
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Thats a flipside. My own take is all dem EV cars they're trying to swindle us on.
What a gongshow though eh if our power grid can't handle this. no joking aside we can't handle all the demands on electricity that are being propped up as "green".
But people using some space heaters to heat their home to stop pipes bursting and stuff if a furnace breaks. I guess I shouldn't recommend it if furnace is working. but if it isn't...
OilynutEsquire
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The thing about the cold is you can always put on more clothes. +40 you can only get so naked haha.
Both stink, but as a proud ginger give me that cold
Both stink, but as a proud ginger give me that cold
It is like -45, so this is a pretty extreme circumstance. I don't think it has anything to do with EV's or a green movement. Literally every furnace and boiler in alberta is running at full bore. It's going to cause strain on the grid
As a chubby boy I'd take -40. Both are extreme temperatures, but I am a miserable sweaty mess when it's above like 25. I can handle the cold. I'm built like a walrus.
Drivesaitl
Finding Hemingway
Was a reference to plans for the roll out of majority driving EV's in a short period of time which most assuredly our grid cannot handle.
Yet this doesn't stop the same from being shoved down our throats. The most valid use of electricity right now is in heating our homes. If our grid cannot handle even this than it should offer a lot of foresight into future plans involving our electricity. It was a side point.
We can prepare for greater use of the power grid. Again this is an absolute extreme when it comes to power usage. By 2035 i think you'll see a significant number of people with solar arrays. If we are smart we will have diversified our energy creation to include solar and wind on a provincial scale. I'm less optimistic about nuclear, but I think that is a very good option.
Drivesaitl
Finding Hemingway
This goes further OT but solar and wind contribute negligible amounts to the power grid when the electricity is most needed in these cold events. Solar is not even a starter here in winter. How could it be at this latitude? That isn't enough solar hours to generate shit.
Solar arrays also have a limited usage time frame and the tech has never really met the propped lifespans. Plus a whole lot of energy obviously goes into installing, manufacturing, recycling these arrays.
Wind turbines ANY of them do not work at these temps. Repeat, don't work. Not even an option. Even cold weather turbines stop working at lol -22fahrenheit and that is WITH heaters heating them, lol
The solutions are not as easy as we've been led to believe.
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