OT: 2024 Weather Thread

[GMofOilers]

Oldest daughter bought a Tiguan last fall.

Guess what, VW does not put block heaters in their vehicles, not even an option on her model. As well, the oil pan is plastic which limits options for aftermarket heaters unless you change the pan to metal. They offer a circulating heater but say that it’s largely ineffective.

Their literature suggests that synthetic oils are sufficiently light enough that block heaters are unnecessary in extreme cold, but that because of harshness of cold temps on batteries that a wired battery tender/ blanket should be installed. Silliest thing I’ve ever hear of. So the car is cranking so stiff because of the cold that the battery cant handle the draw but your oil, pistons etc are fine with a harsh cold weather start.

Before her window for extended warranty expires, I will encourage her to purchase it.

I had a Porsche and this same reason seized my pistons lol

Junk

 

[Arty Spooners Bsmnt]

That is exactly what they want you to do when they're Virtue Signalling.

Not think.

Correct. This is the type of thinking that has people throwing tomato soup on famous art and blocking roadways in Europe. Those people have been called Watermelons because they are green on the outside and red (Marxists) on the inside.

He proves your point in almost every post he makes.

 

[doulos]

Yet, r/alberta repeats the same talking points as you do concerning the "Climate Crisis" and want the same things as you do. They also agreed with you about Covid. They are also very left leaning like you.

Perhaps you were a bit hasty in throwing them under the bus?

Or perhaps some politicians take a reality (a warming planet) and then supercharge it (Crisis! We will all die!) so they can sell their Snake Oil (Carbon Tax, EVs') to the populace while really doing nothing constructive.

You know, just maybe.

/r/Alberta is the opposite armpit to HF BOards Oilers. A good balance of nonsense for the nonsense here.

Yet, r/alberta repeats the same talking points as you do concerning the "Climate Crisis" and want the same things as you do. They also agreed with you about Covid. They are also very left leaning like you.

Perhaps you were a bit hasty in throwing them under the bus?

Or perhaps some politicians take a reality (a warming planet) and then supercharge it (Crisis! We will all die!) so they can sell their Snake Oil (Carbon Tax, EVs') to the populace while really doing nothing constructive.

You know, just maybe.

I also find it hilarious that you think I am left leaning. Since I get called a right winger by the left and a left winger by the right I feel like I am right where I should be.

 

[doulos]

Correct. This is the type of thinking that has people throwing tomato soup on famous art and blocking roadways in Europe. Those people have been called Watermelons because they are green on the outside and red (Marxists) on the inside.

He proves your point in almost every post he makes.

Love this place..Such a cesspool and I enjoy swinging by just to laugh at it.

 

[Drivesaitl]

True to a point but just because some other guy dumps a whole bunch of litter out doesn’t make it ok for me to litter just a bit. It is not a perfect analogy and I think the more salient point is that Canada needs to stop hiding from our very impressive energy production capability and recognize the world needs more energy not less and there’s no point in committing economic suicide while letting less responsible regimes fill that gap.

Alberta DOES realize that. Ottawa does not.

In anycase another comment on rising CO2 levels as any gardener here knows their garden has never been better. At this latitude increased growing season, earlier planting, and plants that grow like crazy. My parents never had tomato plants this size, they weren't growing grapes, Peppers, generally considered warmer weather annuals . On a global scale Earth is GREENING, just like the geologic record shows it has many times before. Increasing and decreasing temps on Earth is undeniable and temps have always been in flux rather than static. The Climate alarmists WANT to assume that the quicker phasing of temp changes due to CO2 is cataclysmic. To me it harkens the age old theoretical constructs between Geology (Science) and Mythology (Belief in Cataclysm.) The Science of Geology adheres that earth processes are a result of uniformity, of constant processes that occasionally result in dramatic tectonic or other events. But the gears driving it are thought to be uniform processes.

But Science has been confused on the global warming. Now, instead of believing in uniformity of processes, and the Earth being a unique biosphere with homeostatic properties they are now believing in Cataclysm in respect to global warming. Its described as an end of the world as we know it process despite the Earth having survived many events and Humans being most adaptive creatures.

Much of the literature is undeniable. The Earth is greening. Nasa photos show this. Plants are increasingly uptaking CO2 and benefitting from it. Photosynthesis is aided just like any formula would suggest it would do. This could, and maybe even should be taken as processses of homeostasis in action. Of the biosphere continuing to adapt. Of Homeostasis properties continuing. Indeed its known and not disputed that this is occurring. However the alarmists continue to try to tell us this is only temporary, that their models show the impact is temporary, that there will be reversion, acclimation. So that plants won't continue to benefit and uptake increased CO2 levels even as geology has shown us has happened many times before and for eons of time..

So anybody should ask themselves why Science is now in bed with belief in Cataclysm rather than uniform Scientific processes or even observational processes of what is actually occurring. its interesting food for thought. Belief in Cataclysm historically is more the abode of mythology, religion, and represent such belief systems that Science and enlightenment sought to dispel. But the chief trouble with science as we know it now is that its paid for, aligned. Scientific endeavor NEEDS to be independent of political and social forces and influence. Present day Science, largely, is not.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Honestly... if there is no snow or wind... and its a bright sunny blue sky day like today... it's actually not THAT bad. I just went for a walk and it felt refreshing. Felt better than walking/running outside in plus 30's for sure. I think you start to get used to it over time. Like today seemed better than yesterday.. and yesterday felt better than the day before... (not that I want this weather to stay)

Around Christmas of 2017 (I think?) in Montreal we had two consecutive weeks at -30° ish temperature, but it was the humidity that made it unbearable. I assume Edmonton is much more dry than Montreal. Cold + humidity = the cold penetrates your bones.

 

[Mr Kot]

"Love this place..Such a cesspool and I enjoy swinging by just to laugh at it."

 

[doulos]

"Love this place..Such a cesspool and I enjoy swinging by just to laugh at it."

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Yup.

Alberta DOES realize that. Ottawa does not.

In anycase another comment on rising CO2 levels as any gardener knows their garden has never been better. At this latitude increased growing season, earlier planting, and plants that grow like crazy. My parents never had tomato plants this size, they weren't growing grapes, Peppers, generally considered warmer weather annuals . On a global scale Earth is GREENING, just like the geologic record shows it has many times before. Increasing and decreasing temps on Earth is undeniable and temps have always been in flux rather than static. The Climate alarmists WANT to assume that the quicker phasing of temp changes due to CO2 is cataclysmic. To me it harkens the age old theoretical constructs between Geology (Science) and Mythology (Belief in Cataclysm. Science and Geology adhere that earth processes are a result of uniformity, of constant processses that occasionally result in dramatic tectonic or other events. But the gears driving it are uniform processes.

But Science has been confused on the global warming. Now, instead of believing in uniformity of processes, and the Earth being a unique biosphere with homeostatic properties they are now believing in Cataclysm in respect to global warming. Its described as an end of the world as we know it process despite the Earth having survived many events and Humans being most adaptive creatures.

Much of the literature is undeniable. The EArth is greening. Nasa photos show this. Plants are increasingly uptaking CO2 and benefitting from it. Photosynthesis is aided just like any formula would suggest it would do. This could, and maybe even should be taken as homeostasis. Of the bioshphere continuing to adapt. Of Homeostasis properties continuing. Indeed its known and not disputed that this is occurring. However the alarmists continue to try to tell us this is only temporary, that their models show the impact is temporary, that there will be reversion, acclimation. So that plants won't continue to benefit and uptake increased CO2 levels even as geology has shown us has happened many times before and for eons of time..

So anybody should ask themselves why Science is now in bed with belief in Cataclysm rather than uniform Scientific processes or even observational processes of what is actually occurring. its interesting food for thought. Belief in Cataclysm historically is more the abode of mythology, religion, and such belief systems that Science and enlightenment sought to dispel.

This is some bizarre shit.

 

[Mr Kot]

"Yup"

 

[Drivesaitl]

Yup.


This is some bizarre shit.

Incorrect.

 

[doulos]

Incorrect.

There we go! Now we have come full circle

Enjoy the circle jerk here folks. Be back in another 6 months to check out the coffee shop conspiracy and lunacy chat again. It's been a trip down memory lane. Stay warm!

 

[Mr Kot]

"There we go! Now we have come full circle

Enjoy the circle jerk here folks. Be back in another 6 months to check out the coffee shop conspiracy and lunacy chat again. It's been a trip down memory lane. Stay warm!"

 

[Ritchie Valens]

I bought a truck in Sask once from GM, and didn't realize it had no block heater. I always assumed everything sold here would, so never noticed till the next winter.

This reminds me of a time when one of my son’s friends’ mom bought a truck from a Chevy dealer. She got stuck trying to climb a hill once when we had some snow and ice on the roads. She went back to the dealer and said the 4WD wasn’t working. They said “Ma’am, this is a 2WD and it doesn’t have 4WD.”

She was floored and stunned that all trucks sold in Alberta didn’t come standard with 4WD (she does kind of have a point there-lol) and she just assumed it came standard or AWD. She was mad and felt wronged by the dealer but if you don’t ask…

 

[Ritchie Valens]

On a weather related note…My poor dog tried to pinch a loaf last night and it damn near froze to her ass before it could hit the ground.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Heres a companion post to my post above on the need to question even present day Scientific enquiry which in some endeavors has lost its way.

This is an article I referred to earlier:

CO2 is making Earth greener—for now - NASA Science

A quarter to half of Earth’s vegetated lands has shown significant greening over the last 35 years largely due to rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide.

climate.nasa.gov

Note the interesting title: "CO2 is making the Earth Greener for now."

The last two words are deadwood, They're presumption. But they're in there for a reason. To denounce that which is actually presently observed. To assume that it won't be ongoing . The article goes onto detail Earths greening, which is fact, and seen from space, and then alluded to supposition this will not be ongoing.


The beneficial impacts of carbon dioxide on plants may be limited, said co-author Dr. Philippe Ciais, associate director of the Laboratory of Climate and Environmental Sciences, Gif-suv-Yvette, France. “Studies have shown that plants acclimatize, or adjust, to rising carbon dioxide concentration and the fertilization effect diminishes over time.”

But dig deeper and this article is from the "Nature Climate Change" Journal. A Journal that specifically publishes articles that support climate change models while rejecting others. This part should be shocking in purview of Science, but this is contained.

Partnerships and Services​

Through our marketing, recruitment, and researcher support services, you can reach a global audience of scientists, healthcare professionals, and opinion-leaders.

Why partner with us?​

• Advertise your product or service
• Promote your organization or research
• Align your organization with the leading scientific publisher
• Recruit the best and brightest in science
• Empower your researchers with training and support services

So that this seems less than Scientific endeavor than influencer level. That this isn't even noted and that such terms are used is frankly astonishing. Is this a Scientific Periodical or an Influencer publication? look at their aligned networks, funding, purview and lots of questions can be asked about objectivity and Scientific independence. Yet this Journal is highly implicated in present policy, discussion, and global directions as it seeks to be. The difficulty being is this Scientific independent process or aligning of directions.

At best the Journal is marketing as much as Science oriented. The Journal is even describing their greatest endeavor as partnership and marketing.

boom...

 

[BlackDogg]

Alberta DOES realize that. Ottawa does not.

In anycase another comment on rising CO2 levels as any gardener here knows their garden has never been better. At this latitude increased growing season, earlier planting, and plants that grow like crazy. My parents never had tomato plants this size, they weren't growing grapes, Peppers, generally considered warmer weather annuals . On a global scale Earth is GREENING, just like the geologic record shows it has many times before. Increasing and decreasing temps on Earth is undeniable and temps have always been in flux rather than static. The Climate alarmists WANT to assume that the quicker phasing of temp changes due to CO2 is cataclysmic. To me it harkens the age old theoretical constructs between Geology (Science) and Mythology (Belief in Cataclysm.) The Science of Geology adheres that earth processes are a result of uniformity, of constant processes that occasionally result in dramatic tectonic or other events. But the gears driving it are thought to be uniform processes.

But Science has been confused on the global warming. Now, instead of believing in uniformity of processes, and the Earth being a unique biosphere with homeostatic properties they are now believing in Cataclysm in respect to global warming. Its described as an end of the world as we know it process despite the Earth having survived many events and Humans being most adaptive creatures.

Much of the literature is undeniable. The Earth is greening. Nasa photos show this. Plants are increasingly uptaking CO2 and benefitting from it. Photosynthesis is aided just like any formula would suggest it would do. This could, and maybe even should be taken as processses of homeostasis in action. Of the biosphere continuing to adapt. Of Homeostasis properties continuing. Indeed its known and not disputed that this is occurring. However the alarmists continue to try to tell us this is only temporary, that their models show the impact is temporary, that there will be reversion, acclimation. So that plants won't continue to benefit and uptake increased CO2 levels even as geology has shown us has happened many times before and for eons of time..

So anybody should ask themselves why Science is now in bed with belief in Cataclysm rather than uniform Scientific processes or even observational processes of what is actually occurring. its interesting food for thought. Belief in Cataclysm historically is more the abode of mythology, religion, and represent such belief systems that Science and enlightenment sought to dispel. But the chief trouble with science as we know it now is that its paid for, aligned. Scientific endeavor NEEDS to be independent of political and social forces and influence. Present day Science, largely, is not.

One of the things to be wary of is pertinent for everything. We are no longer allowed to have questions without answers. Somebody has to fill that gap - because there is immense profit and control in doing so. At the same time, we are no longer allowed to have answers without questions. Which means there is only one answer, and that is settled. No variation allowed. No scale. Is it cyclic? Is it existential? Same thing happened when there were questions about the efficacy of the covid product. It was "safe and effective" - that was the only answer allowed. The bolded is basically dependent on politics and funding now. If you aren't in agreement with the "entire answer" you simply won't even get money or graduate students to work with you.

 

[Drivesaitl]

One of the things to be wary of is pertinent for everything. We are no longer allowed to have questions without answers. Somebody has to fill that gap - because there is immense profit and control in doing so. At the same time, we are no longer allowed to have answers without questions. Which means there is only one answer, and that is settled. No variation allowed. No scale. Is it cyclic? Is it existential? Same thing happened when there were questions about the efficacy of the covid product. It was "safe and effective" - that was the only answer allowed. The bolded is basically dependent on politics and funding now. If you aren't in agreement with the "entire answer" you simply won't even get money or graduate students to work with you.

"Follow the Science" Peon

Why won't you be a good machine? hehe

Yep. Scientific funding, studies are paid or rejected now on the basis of adhering. Science subverted.

Read my latest post. The Scientific Journal in question isn't even disguising the "alignment" and "opinion" initiatives. Funded Science is seen now similarly to role of "influencers". Worse, of opinion influencers.
Ways and means in which to control us. George Orwell would be further distraught.

 

[bellagiobob]

On a weather related note…My poor dog tried to pinch a loaf last night and it damn near froze to her ass before it could hit the ground.

Can always tell when it’s too cold for the dog to poop outside when he sneaks downstairs to do his business. I don’t blame him.

 

[Drivesaitl]

With this weather with dogs I'd just put some newspaper downstairs on concrete laundry room or somewhere for dogs to go. I wouldn't have my dog going outside in temps that I wouldn't be going to an outhouse in...heh

Cats have it good. Litter boxes, cleaned, ready to go, warm inside. Our two cats sleeping on cozy heating vents. What a life.

 

[Mr Kot]

Yeah generally, just don't let your dog out for now. Only a few more days of this and we are in the clear. Too dangerous really for anyone to be out there.

 

[Tarus]

Can always tell when it’s too cold for the dog to poop outside when he sneaks downstairs to do his business. I don’t blame him.

Never had much of a problem with that, but they didn't mind the cold very much since I would put some warm boots/coats on them so they could go out.

I see people out walking their dogs with no protection in this weather though, I feel so bad for those poor dogs

 

[Stoneman89]

There we go! Now we have come full circle

Enjoy the circle jerk here folks. Be back in another 6 years to check out the coffee shop conspiracy and lunacy chat again. It's been a trip down memory lane. Stay warm!

Changed for you - here's hoping!

 

[bellagiobob]

Changed for you - here's hoping!

He'll be back next Pandemic. Book it.

 

[BlackDogg]

He'll be back next Pandemic. Book it.

 

[Arty Spooners Bsmnt]

You would think that doulos is noodle from C2E.