OT: 2024 Washington Commanders thread: change we can believe in!

[Roric]

The more scouting there is, the more consensus is forming that DM needs some development time. It would be suicide for this team's development and spirit, with so many guys on one-year deals, to put Mariota out there as your starter by design. Agree with the folks who have stated if we were leaning DM, we'd have kept the credible starter in SH -- not because of their common origins but because SH could do at least a reasonable job in a better system behind an improved line while the draftee got schooled.

Sitting a QB for a year or two is an old school mentality to me. Whoever they pick out of the 3 top guys is going to start day one. Shipping howell off only strengthens that mentality

 

[RandyHolt]

I think we look real thin at WR. I want Dyami gone. Crowder is a good 5. Samuel is off to Buffalo Bill. I am not convinced we can address WR in the draft.

Elephant in the room we need a LT as well. Corner is thin (as Forbes's's legs) but Quan starting at FS would be huge.

I was in the keep Howell school. I think its dated old school thinking that you can only have 1 young QB on a roster. 2 should always be being groomed and developed until a stud is found.

 

[bacchist]

I agree with the others who have said we should have kept Howell. He would have been relatively cheap insurance on a rookie QB. Mariota can step in, and I'm not as down on him as some other posters. But I don't see the downside to having another young QB on the roster. I think it's a little premature to write Howell off, given what he had to deal with last year with the line and EB's mishandling of the offense.

 

[Neil Racki]

Welp .. this is my first WTF w the new FO

thats peanuts .. I imagine Curl wouldnt have stayed here even if we matched

Curls agent should have pushed harder for that bag after last season. Last year wasnt bad for Curl but a step back

 

[Roric]

Welp .. this is my first WTF w the new FO

thats peanuts .. I imagine Curl wouldnt have stayed here even if we matched

Curls agent should have pushed harder for that bag after last season. Last year wasnt bad for Curl but a step back

Peters was probably ready to show the door to anyone not under contract that was part of last year's league-worst defense. He only resigned what, one guy? It's a total revamp

 

[kicksavedave]

This is so bad lol.

Its worse than just 2020. There are only 3 players from before 2021 who have been here the whole time.

2019 (3-76) WR Terry McLaurin
2018 (1-13) DT Daron Payne
2017 (1-17) DT Jonathan Allen

(Jamison Crowder, drafted in 2015, is on his second stint in WAS.)

Thats how bad this front office was. Just dreadful.

 

[Bananas]

Its worse than just 2020. There are only 3 players from before 2021 who have been here the whole time.

2019 (3-76) WR Terry McLaurin
2018 (1-13) DT Daron Payne
2017 (1-17) DT Jonathan Allen

(Jamison Crowder, drafted in 2015, is on his second stint in WAS.)

Thats how bad this front office was. Just dreadful.

It’s crazy. They finally stopped using picks for dumb trades about 5-10 years ago, and then they proved to be absolutely pitiful at drafting .

“WFT: Building the right way, just incredibly bad at it…”

 

[ynotcaps]

Sitting a QB for a year or two is an old school mentality to me. Whoever they pick out of the 3 top guys is going to start day one. Shipping howell off only strengthens that mentality

Agreed, that's why I think it's JD or CW, if he slips.

 

[Roric]

If I were the Vikings, I'd be trying to trade 11, 23 to get Herbert, not McCarthy. San Diego is clearly rebuilding, do they say yes to 11, 23, and next year's first?

I have also seen some stuff on Twitter about us talking to the Chargers about Herbert. I havent posted any of it because none of it has been from anyone I would consider reputable.

 

[ynotcaps]

If I were the Vikings, I'd be trying to trade 11, 23 to get Herbert, not McCarthy. San Diego is clearly rebuilding, do they say yes to 11, 23, and next year's first?

I have also seen some stuff on Twitter about us talking to the Chargers about Herbert. I havent posted any of it because none of it has been from anyone I would consider reputable.

I can't believe SD would trade a young franchise QB for some picks with which they could take a guy that they pray might turn into a young franchise QB.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Sitting a QB for a year or two is an old school mentality to me. Whoever they pick out of the 3 top guys is going to start day one. Shipping howell off only strengthens that mentality

It’s quite the opposite….the old school mentality is cave to pressure and rush your newly drafted top QB into service….just because he was drafted top-5….

I can't believe SD would trade a young franchise QB for some picks with which they could take a guy that they pray might turn into a young franchise QB.

Yeah no way they move him…they rebuild around him…

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Agreed, that's why I think it's JD or CW, if he slips.

Those two are readymade to start now, so it would not surprise me….Maye isn’t.

 

[Cush]

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

I have a feeling this is what Sam wanted also…

 

[Roric]

It’s quite the opposite….the old school mentality is cave to pressure and rush your newly drafted top QB into service….just because he was drafted top-5….


Yeah no way they move him…they rebuild around him…

This is Harbaugh's team now. He's building it up his way and you know he loves mccarthy

 

[Ridley Simon]

What about 11 and 23 for our 2?

I can't believe SD would trade a young franchise QB for some picks with which they could take a guy that they pray might turn into a young franchise QB.

Well, there is the salary angle, AND the Chargers are getting crushed by the cap

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

What about 11 and 23 for our 2?


Well, there is the salary angle, AND the Chargers are getting crushed by the cap

11 is low IMO

 

[ynotcaps]

What about 11 and 23 for our 2?


Well, there is the salary angle, AND the Chargers are getting crushed by the cap

I wouldn't do it. As we sit, we are guaranteed a guy with high potential to become the one thing this franchise has lacked since Sonny -- a bona fide, long-term franchise QB.
I know you like McCarthy, and he may well end up being a very good (yes, possibly even great) QB, but there's really nobody credibly saying he's an almost-can't-miss QB prospect. And it's not even a given that even he would be there at 11 -- we could end up looking at the 5th best QB by then, AND potentially have both the can't miss LTs off the board by then, too.
So I would not give up a pick that's a lock to get a top flight (see what I did there?) QB for 2 picks that in the range where we've generally been picking for the last 10-15 years.

 

[Ridley Simon]

11 is low IMO

You lost me. What do you mean, low?

 

[Ridley Simon]

I wouldn't do it. As we sit, we are guaranteed a guy with high potential to become the one thing this franchise has lacked since Sonny -- a bona fide, long-term franchise QB.
I know you like McCarthy, and he may well end up being a very good (yes, possibly even great) QB, but there's really nobody credibly saying he's an almost-can't-miss QB prospect. And it's not even a given that even he would be there at 11 -- we could end up looking at the 5th best QB by then, AND potentially have both the can't miss LTs off the board by then, too.
So I would not give up a pick that's a lock to get a top flight (see what I did there?) QB for 2 picks that in the range where we've generally been picking for the last 10-15 years.

That’s fair. I honestly don’t know how I feel about it. I think if it was 11/23 and a first next year, I may do it.

Then see if you could take 23 and 40 and move to 5 w San Diego. 5 and 11 should get you a stud OT and a QB.

I’m just talking outloud.

Would we do 2 for Herbert?

 

[ynotcaps]

That’s fair. I honestly don’t know how I feel about it. I think if it was 11/23 and a first next year, I may do it.

Then see if you could take 23 and 40 and move to 5 w San Diego. 5 and 11 should get you a stud OT and a QB.

I’m just talking outloud.

Would we do 2 for Herbert?

If it's me, I don't, because we all know I'm in the tank for JD, and those are 2 completely different types of QBs. One of the reasons I like Daniels (and CW) is that D coaches hate game planning against those kinds of guys (and those guys specifically, based on reports from around the combine on convos w/ college D coordinators.)
BUT-- if the team was leaning towards Maye and SD was open to that, I'd probably say, hell, yeah. Herbert is what everyone's hoping Maye could become. If you can get the known quantity at the same (or close enough) cost as the unknown quantity, I think you take it.

EDIT: SD = LAC (I'll prob'ly never get that right the first time)

 

[Jags]

Would we do 2 for Herbert?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't the Chargers take a ridiculously huge dead cap hit if they traded Herbert like that?

 

[Ridley Simon]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't the Chargers take a ridiculously huge dead cap hit if they traded Herbert like that?

I honestly don’t know?

 

[g00n]

Who could they really be interested in via FA? Another trade for a player? Or trading up from 20?

 

[ynotcaps]

Who could they really be interested in via FA? Another trade for a player? Or trading up from 20?

It's pretty much just trash left in FA. They might be the 6th QB in the first round. If so, should push another good player into the second.