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usiel said:
Its the dual threat and the higher upside that is starting to win me over.

I thought the below had some interesting comments about JD over DM.

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I’m sure Randy Mueller has forgotten more about football than I’ll ever know. And it’s interesting to hear how much he likes JD. However, there’s some cognitive dissonance going on saying that Maye is a “bigger Mac Jones”, but has a big problem with his accuracy.

Putting aside that Maye has arguably the strongest arm of the top 3 QBs (vice Mac Jones’ pea shooter), Jones’ biggest selling point coming out of college was his accuracy.

Anyways, I can’t tell if people just say things to be contrarians or to get clicks. I’m pretty sure, at this point, Kiper does. Or perhaps the interwebs have just made me too cynical, and I can no longer take anything credulously, lol.
 
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I guess I don’t understand why any controversial opinion always defaults to being about “clickbait”….maybe the veteran of a lot of years in the league really believes what he says…

Maybe Kiper believes in JD more?
 
CapitalsCupReality said:
I guess I don’t understand why any controversial opinion always defaults to being about “clickbait”….maybe the veteran of a lot of years in the league really believes what he says…

Maybe Kiper believes in JD more?
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Every year the draft media picks a darling QB who gets spun up in the hype machine and rises up in the draft to challenge the consensus top QB(s) in the draft. ... Last couple have been Anthony Richardson and Trey Lance. Sometimes it works out like Josh Allen, more often than not you get Daniel Jones. It makes for great TV and there's no better draft hype man than Kiper. Hard to take his opinion seriously having watched him weave the same web for 30 years.
 
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Every year the draft media picks a darling QB who gets spun up in the hype machine and rises up in the draft to challenge the consensus top QB(s) in the draft. ... Last couple have been Anthony Richardson and Trey Lance. Sometimes it works out like Josh Allen, more often than not you get Daniel Jones. It makes for great TV and there's no better draft hype man than Kiper. Hard to take his opinion seriously having watched him weave the same web for 30 years.
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They sit around a room, all the networks and media outlets and pick? How do they pick? ;)

I find Kiper to be just fine. He’s right, he’s wrong, he’s well connected, informed and knowledgeable.

This is no exact science. The combine, the interview’s, the process spins up guys, and lowers guys, the media simply reports on it. It is what it is. The media didn’t draft Danny Dimes.

Seems to me more often than not they fail because it’s one of the hardest jobs in the world, and employers are desperate to fill the role with a better guy too often.
 
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CapitalsCupReality said:
I guess I don’t understand why any controversial opinion always defaults to being about “clickbait”….maybe the veteran of a lot of years in the league really believes what he says…

Maybe Kiper believes in JD more?
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I believe he has JD #2 in his 1.0 mock draft in the preview vid I watched unless I was so tired I got delerious. I do recall him mentioning with the combine coming up those with all the physical traits get pushed up even higher.
 


I really like this particular Maye video. It shows him making a variety of NFL caliber throws (including drops that don’t make it into most highlight videos), while highlighting his elite physical traits.

It’s fair though, and goes into his weaknesses as well (such as footwork, hitch in his release).
 
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CapitalsCupReality said:
They sit around a room, all the networks and media outlets and pick? How do they pick? ;)

I find Kiper to be just fine. He’s right, he’s wrong, he’s well connected, informed and knowledgeable.

This is no exact science. The combine, the interview’s, the process spins up guys, and lowers guys, the media simply reports on it. It is what it is. The media didn’t draft Danny Dimes.

Seems to me more often than not they fail because it’s one of the hardest jobs in the world, and employers are desperate to fill the role with a better guy too often.
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I agree with everything you’re saying that with all the variables involved, no one can really predict the success of QB prospects. Kind of wild that we’re no better at QB eval than we were 30 years ago when the Skins drafted Shuler!

With Kiper specifically, he is the OG NFL draftnik, whose opinion carries a lot of weight in the media. He, like his employer, ESPN - are in the business of hyping up the draft, which has become their huge TV spectacle. Accordingly, a large portion of ESPN content from February to April is devoted to debating the top prospects.

And nothing captures the imagination like a good QB controversy at the top. Enter the trendy late riser like Daniels, or Richardson last year (also: Kiper had Malik Wilis top 10; Will Levis top 5; and once staked his career on Jimmy Clausen).

So, I take some of his stuff with a grain of salt, knowing it is (in part) designed to hype engagement with ESPN draft content, and increase the spectacle of draft day. That’s all. Doesn’t mean liking JD > DM is some unreasonable take.
 
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CapitalsCupReality said:
They sit around a room, all the networks and media outlets and pick? How do they pick? ;)

I find Kiper to be just fine. He’s right, he’s wrong, he’s well connected, informed and knowledgeable.

This is no exact science. The combine, the interview’s, the process spins up guys, and lowers guys, the media simply reports on it. It is what it is. The media didn’t draft Danny Dimes.

Seems to me more often than not they fail because it’s one of the hardest jobs in the world, and employers are desperate to fill the role with a better guy too often.
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Kiper doesn't have as much insider info as he used to. People feed him a line of crap now cause they know what he's going to do with it. For example, last year, he correctly projected 1 pick in the first round. He's just another dude who watches a ton of college football. lol
 
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I really like this particular Maye video. It shows him making a variety of NFL caliber throws (including drops that don’t make it into most highlight videos), while highlighting his elite physical traits.

It’s fair though, and goes into his weaknesses as well (such as footwork, hitch in his release).
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This is a good one. Highlights the risk/reward here and I like the Herbert comp.

I think the footwork thing is a legit concern on NFL timing plays but it's hard to say if he CAN'T do those things or just doesn't need to in the UNC offense. It's also easy to look at film later and say "that guy was open for 1/30th of a second, why the hell didn't he throw it??" but real time play is much different and a QB can't always see every player. A little doubt about unseen defenders, especially on tight routes, 3rd downs, or close to your own endzone, can give any QB pause.

Couldn't get through the Colt McCoy vid. Waaaaay too long and choppy even with skipping the annoying podcast style convo banter. 45min that could've been <10.

Maybe posted before but same guy reviewing Caleb Williams. Haven't watched it all yet.

 
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This is a good one. Highlights the risk/reward here and I like the Herbert comp.

I think the footwork thing is a legit concern on NFL timing plays but it's hard to say if he CAN'T do those things or just doesn't need to in the UNC offense. It's also easy to look at film later and say "that guy was open for 1/30th of a second, why the hell didn't he throw it??" but real time play is much different and a QB can't always see every player. A little doubt about unseen defenders, especially on tight routes, 3rd downs, or close to your own endzone, can give any QB pause.

Couldn't get through the Colt McCoy vid. Waaaaay too long and choppy even with skipping the annoying podcast style convo banter. 45min that could've been <10.

Maybe posted before but same guy reviewing Caleb Williams. Haven't watched it all yet.

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In that Randy Mueller/Keim podcast; he said people immediately see the size and the big arm, but he doesn’t display the processing and accuracy to make it a good comparison to Herbert. I like Maye, hope he impresses in the pre-draft big time to eliminate those doubts.
 
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In that Randy Mueller/Keim podcast; he said people immediately see the size and the big arm, but he doesn’t display the processing and accuracy to make it a good comparison to Herbert. I like Maye, hope he impresses in the pre-draft big time to eliminate those doubts.
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This is my fear with Maye. He has all the tools except the NFL CPU. The big knock on him seems to be he's really bad under pressure. Like, much worse than his peers when they're under pressure. Like Sam Howell bad under pressure.

Sure, they can try to build the 91 Hogs to protect him like they did due Mark Rypien, but it's unrealistic. Scouting reports I've read say Daniels is much better under pressure, and he was under pressure a lot at LSU. Food for thought.
 
kicksavedave said:
This is my fear with Maye. He has all the tools except the NFL CPU. The big knock on him seems to be he's really bad under pressure. Like, much worse than his peers when they're under pressure. Like Sam Howell bad under pressure.

Sure, they can try to build the 91 Hogs to protect him like they did due Mark Rypien, but it's unrealistic. Scouting reports I've read say Daniels is much better under pressure, and he was under pressure a lot at LSU. Food for thought.
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I'm undecided between the 3 right now but I suspect the combine will spin everything into chaos so why even bother thinking too hard about it lol
 
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This is a great read, brings back so many memories for us old timers. The 1991 Redskins team was as dominant as any football team ever. Right there with the 72 Dolphins and 86 Bears.


*Footnote, my in person fantasy football league, buddies of mine for 30 plus years, our trophy is named the Glenn Brenner Memorial Trophy. He was the best. Sad that he didn't live to see that Super Bowl.
 
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kicksavedave said:
This is a great read, brings back so many memories for us old timers. The 1991 Redskins team was as dominant as any football team ever. Right there with the 72 Dolphins and 86 Bears.


*Footnote, my in person fantasy football league, buddies of mine for 30 plus years, our trophy is named the Glenn Brenner Memorial Trophy. He was the best. Sad that he didn't live to see that Super Bowl.
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GB was great.

It’s Thursday, so that means it’s another edition of?

* Gordon * Encore Wednesday!!!

I have, on Beta somewhere, the redskins sidelines when riggo came out in a tux and top hat, ripped like after a dinner with Sandra Day. Glenn and Sonny couldn’t stop laughing, they gave it a go trying to keep the show on track, but alas it was too much.
 
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GB was great.

It’s Thursday, so that means it’s another edition of?

* Gordon * Encore Wednesday!!!

I have, on Beta somewhere, the redskins sidelines when riggo came out in a tux and top hat, ripped like after a dinner with Sandra Day. Glenn and Sonny couldn’t stop laughing, they gave it a go trying to keep the show on track, but alas it was too much.
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The story of how GB left Philly and came to DC is also a classic. He was a little too loosey goosey for the Philly TV station that he worked at, they wanted him to tone down the humor a bit. So they moved his sports spot into a large, separate wooden set, off from the main desk where the anchors sat. The set apparently looked a little like the jury box in a court room. When they started rolling his first spot in the new set, he stood up, raised his right arm and said "We find the defendant not guilty". They fired him pretty soon. He came to DC soon thereafter and was a legend!

Great article about GB and the story I referenced above.

 
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