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Its just content. None of it means anything.I was listening to this even more today he’s been such a USC homer for him to flip it means a lot
Its just content. None of it means anything.I was listening to this even more today he’s been such a USC homer for him to flip it means a lot
Maybe. But the draft rankings do and the fact you the Bears still want Fields, Williams, or a Monster trade doesnt show you have a real pick at all. Hence not really wanting CWIts just content. None of it means anything.
One of us! One of us!New realization. If Maye had Nabers and B. Thomas instead of the inconsistent Dez as receivers. If they go with a QB it needs to be Maye. Told myself I would hold off but until the combine this is my take for now.
If he falls to #2 great but the Bears price tag when they might not even want him is just to much.
ESPN guys loving JD at 2 this morning….Yates new mock draft has us taking JD 2
OK, but you're projecting what Maye would do with those receivers, whereas we know what Daniels did do with them. I don't think that's an automatic projection that DM throws for over 4K, 40 TDs, 4 picks. (Certainly doesn't automatically mean his picks go down -- bad decisions & throws are are bad decisions & throws.)New realization. If Maye had Nabers and B. Thomas instead of the inconsistent Dez as receivers. If they go with a QB it needs to be Maye. Told myself I would hold off but until the combine this is my take for now.
Have I mentioned how much I love Field Yates?Yates new mock draft has us taking JD 2
other than johnson the OL coach, these hirings have been very solid for the coaching staff.
Through my dozens-upon-hundreds of mocks I've done (lol), there have been some pretty good options w/ lots of run/catch guys in the 4th and 5th -- in my fake-GM mode, I'm looking for guys who have shown chops in the pass game, since BR is our bruiser.We might be about to pick one of the top RBs in the 2nd... I like the Michigan kid Ill have to see where hes projected
A top QB and RB in the same draft would be pretty cool. The 1st Mock that @ynotcaps had no RBs 1st round. I looked at CBS
2024 NFL Draft Position Rankings: Running backs
Texas' Jonathon Brooks headlines PFF's 2024 NFL Draft running back rankings.www.pff.com
Looks like we could get one in the 3rd with our high pick
Because it's drama. That's why the Bears "massive haul" stories are circulating too. Some "insider" asked a Bears exec in a text if they'd consider trading down and they said "Not unless it's for more than anyone has ever given up LOL". If everyone just knew Bears were going CW 1, Skins going DM 2 it wouldn't be news worthy. ESPNs need to create controversy and buzz for the draft has been a recipe for success for decades.ESPN guys loving JD at 2 this morning….
Great analysis and research!Yes. The friggin Bears (and Pats) are the complicating factors here and they like it that way. Why wouldn't CHI want to sustain the intrigue as much as possible and force everyone to come to them with insane offers, unless they really don't need that #1 pick?
The fact that they're allowing the speculation and "historic offer" talk to happen at all implies they genuinely do not trust Fields to be the guy. Otherwise it seems foolish to risk continued damage to their relationship with Fields, the fans, and CW.
I think that means they are NOT targeting MHJr and do have their eyes on one of the other QBs. (or are at least agnostic about which one they get)
Fields carried a dead cap hit of 18M, 15M, then 11M his first 3 years. His cap hit is now a ridiculous 6M. He's cheap af for what he does and there's no reason for the Bears to trade him or even build around him at that price if they haven't extended him already. He'll be QB2 or QB1A heading into next year, fighting the rookie for a starting job.
So they probably either plan to draft someone not named Caleb Williams or are ambivalent about which of the top 3 they get, and would like a massive haul in return for trading out of 1OA....but not too far. They still want a top QB.
They know teams behind them will want CW and they need value for that instead of just picking Daniels or Maye and tossing that trade leverage in the trash. Obviously.
But who are they talking to other than WFT?
It's possible NE at #3 are bluffing when they say they're not looking to draft a rookie QB and will acquire one in free agency. I think this story came out after there was already discussion of the Bears asking price, so they may just be trying to keep the cost of 1OA down.
What about AZ at #4? What are they going to do with Kyler Murray? His contract is ridiculous due to 81.5M in dead cap this year, so who would possibly take that on? They have 2 firsts, so in theory they could trade up and get someone else but how do they dump Murray? Moving up to #1 would require two huge trades, including unloading Murray on some team that, for whatever reason, can't afford to deal with CHI directly. AZ drafting MHJr makes much more sense.
Then there's NYG sitting at 6OA. Daniel Jones is a big question mark and, like Murray, has an insane dead cap hit (69M). The cost to keep him around declines over the next 3 years so hard to tell if NY will be looking to move on, but seems unlikely they mortgage their future to do it.
Several teams behind NYG may be looking to move up and take one of the top 3 QBs (TEN, ATL, MIN, etc), but CHI can't be certain any of the top 3 QBs will fall past the 3rd pick, especially if they don't trust the noise out of New England. So CHI may only be taking offers from those other teams to drive up the perceived cost of the pick. Someone will blink but the price may be incredibly steep if TEN, ATL, MIN, DEN, LV etc are involved in a bidding war.
Finally there is the slim chance one of the other teams that does NOT need a QB simply draft one of the top 3 QBs as an immediate trade chip, which would be incredibly rare and unusual, but maybe more likely this year than any previous draft due to the uncertainty. Again, it all depends on what NE actually plan to do. Regardless, CHI can't bank on any of those QBs falling past #3.
The key, per this long-ass post, is whether or not CHI are really looking to replace Fields, and it seems they are. So they will probably not want to trade out of the top 3, which narrows the REAL bidding war to WFT and possibly NE.
If WFT are smart they will realize this and stick to a more reasonable offer in the negotiation, understanding they may only really be bidding against NE (or whoever trades up to #3 if NE is telling the truth) and not half the league.
CHI will know whether or not NE is bluffing based on whether the Patriots make any kind of serious offer. NE may also trade back, in which case the Bears will likely ONLY be talking to WFT about moving out of #1. If WFT are smart they'll put out as many corporate espionage feelers as possible to assess what's really going on between NE and CHI, if anything.
tl;dr: WFT might be bidding against themselves and should keep their offers low.
You're not wrong, but it seems like these stories DO sometimes take on a life of their own and manifest in reality.Because it's drama. That's why the Bears "massive haul" stories are circulating too. Some "insider" asked a Bears exec in a text if they'd consider trading down and they said "Not unless it's for more than anyone has ever given up LOL". If everyone just knew Bears were going CW 1, Skins going DM 2 it wouldn't be news worthy. ESPNs need to create controversy and buzz for the draft has been a recipe for success for decades.
One of us! One of us!
I’m trying to stay open minded and am enjoying gathering info/opinions. I think more highly of JD than I did last week. But still prefer Maye as of right now.
Been asking myself - besides his speed, what elite traits does JD have that may translate to the NFL? How will that speed serve him in the long run? (reminder that Justin Fields ran a 4.4, and is a heck of a rusher).
For Maye - rare combo of size/athleticism, and arm strength come to mind immediately as far as elite transferable traits.
Because it's drama. That's why the Bears "massive haul" stories are circulating too. Some "insider" asked a Bears exec in a text if they'd consider trading down and they said "Not unless it's for more than anyone has ever given up LOL". If everyone just knew Bears were going CW 1, Skins going DM 2 it wouldn't be news worthy. ESPNs need to create controversy and buzz for the draft has been a recipe for success for decades.