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Player Discussion: 2024 Vezina Winner Connor Hellebuyck

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Unlike a lot of posters, I view this Helle and Dubois situations as a big opportunity for the Jets, if they play their cards right. A lot of GM's will be romanced by all the hype around Helle, and be willing to part with "great assets", that will be a lot less expensive. They will think he'll save the day, but it takes a whole team. Helle is a 30 year old guy with a .920 save percentage during the regular season. and only a .881 in playoffs. I would not want to be into an 8 year contract with him, at 10 mil per season. Look at the former great goalies like Marc Andre Fluery, Jonathon Quick, and Carey Price from Montreal. Then look at Frederick Anderson who took the Canes to the semi finals, but wasn't good enough for Toronto ? These guys all age out, and eventually decline.

Personally I like the way Vegas has built their club, with a lot of upper middle talent, and great depth. Vegas has also done this with minus a big name Goaltender, in Hayden Hill. They picked up guys like Karlsen, and Stevenson, that were playing on the 3rd line and 4th lines on other teams, and turned them into great players. They are a very sharp organization.

These "big name" legacy contracts get you nowhere, unless they make sense, and at Helles age (30) he's a very bad fit, to get into heavy money and term with him, but "great" as trade bait, to build some strong depth to your hockey club, just the way Vegas has done it. This period of time is a great window of opportunity for the Jets, if things are done right. I'm looking forward to this.

We are in a Cap world right now in the NHL, and you can't just buy a team, you have to measure and balance talent, along with finances.
Chevy has got to play chess here, while the other GM's play checkers.
 
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And there should be no confusion about whether Hellebuyck has interest in signing an extension in Winnipeg. That ship has sailed. His next contract will be with a new team.
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So, what is the writer basing this on? His speculation?

GNP said:
Helle is a 30 year old guy with a .920 save percentage during the regular season. and only a .881 in playoffs
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Helle’s career playoff save % is about the same as his career regular season save %.

I really doubt that a team would just look at a 5 game sample and say, “too risky!”
 
GNP said:
Unlike a lot of posters, I view this Helle and Dubois situations as a big opportunity for the Jets, if they play their cards right. A lot of GM's will be romanced by all the hype around Helle, and be willing to part with "great assets", that will be a lot less expensive. They will think he'll save the day, but it takes a whole team. Helle is a 30 year old guy with a .920 save percentage during the regular season. and only a .881 in playoffs. I would not want to be into an 8 year contract with him, at 10 mil per season. Look at the former great goalies like Marc Andre Fluery, Jonathon Quick, and Carey Price from Montreal. Then look at Frederick Anderson who took the Canes to the semi finals, but wasn't good enough for Toronto ? These guys all age out, and eventually decline.

Personally I like the way Vegas has built their club, with a lot of upper middle talent, and great depth. Vegas has also done this with minus a big name Goaltender, in Hayden Hill. They picked up guys like Karlsen, and Stevenson, that were playing on the 3rd line and 4th lines on other teams, and turned them into great players. They are a very sharp organization.

These "big name" legacy contracts get you nowhere, unless they make sense, and at Helles age (30) he's a very bad fit, to get into heavy money and term with him, but "great" as trade bait, to build some strong depth to your hockey club, just the way Vegas has done it. This period of time is a great window of opportunity for the Jets, if things are done right. I'm looking forward to this.

We are in a Cap world right now in the NHL, and you can't just buy a team, you have to measure and balance talent, along with finances.
Chevy has got to play chess here, while the other GM's play checkers.
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when looking at save percentages I always say it's best to look at the smallest of sample sizes, like the 5 games this year vs vegas where he put up a .886 is better to look at over his 40 career playoff games where he put up a .916
 
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Guffman said:
So, what is the writer basing this on? His speculation?



Helle’s career playoff save % is about the same as his career regular season save %.

I really doubt that a team would just look at a 5 game sample and say, “too risky!”
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At this time of year it's a mix of speculation and things agents and teams leak to reporters to drum up interest.
 
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At this time of year it's a mix of speculation and things agents and teams leak to reporters to drum up interest.
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Dax said Dreger and Fridge also reporting this. If Dreger reporting it, then that’s solid in my books.

Worried that the Jets will still avoid a rebuild lol
 
GNP said:
Unlike a lot of posters, I view this Helle and Dubois situations as a big opportunity for the Jets, if they play their cards right. A lot of GM's will be romanced by all the hype around Helle, and be willing to part with "great assets", that will be a lot less expensive. They will think he'll save the day, but it takes a whole team. Helle is a 30 year old guy with a .920 save percentage during the regular season. and only a .881 in playoffs. I would not want to be into an 8 year contract with him, at 10 mil per season. Look at the former great goalies like Marc Andre Fluery, Jonathon Quick, and Carey Price from Montreal. Then look at Frederick Anderson who took the Canes to the semi finals, but wasn't good enough for Toronto ? These guys all age out, and eventually decline.

Personally I like the way Vegas has built their club, with a lot of upper middle talent, and great depth. Vegas has also done this with minus a big name Goaltender, in Hayden Hill. They picked up guys like Karlsen, and Stevenson, that were playing on the 3rd line and 4th lines on other teams, and turned them into great players. They are a very sharp organization.

These "big name" legacy contracts get you nowhere, unless they make sense, and at Helles age (30) he's a very bad fit, to get into heavy money and term with him, but "great" as trade bait, to build some strong depth to your hockey club, just the way Vegas has done it. This period of time is a great window of opportunity for the Jets, if things are done right. I'm looking forward to this.

We are in a Cap world right now in the NHL, and you can't just buy a team, you have to measure and balance talent, along with finances.
Chevy has got to play chess here, while the other GM's play checkers.
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Vegas got a gift, just like Seattle. We are nothing like those teams, we won't get our pick of the litter and we won't have players clamouring to sign with us.

Guffman said:
Dax said Dreger and Fridge also reporting this. If Dreger reporting it, then that’s solid in my books.

Worried that the Jets will still avoid a rebuild lol
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Yeah Dregs was the one who mentioned he won't resign in Canada, would like to play in the US on his next contract.
 
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I'm grateful. Everyone bitching about wheeler's contract now would be bitching about helle's in 4-6 years. Same with schief.

Helle is elite but he has TONNES of miles on him. 65 games a year, and many of them he's been very busy.

I think we dodged a bullet, and hopefully can get a decent return from a team whose cup window is wide open or closing
 
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All I can imagine is the multitude of ways that Chevy will justify his dithering and try to get another season out of Helle and then sell him off at the TDL for half of his current worth. Please don’t do it Chevy!
 
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roccerfeller said:
Scott Billeck was wrong to do what he did
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Very wrong and it probably plays a role here although that was 2 3 years ago now and like a once in a lifetime thing so not sure it should matter

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average goaltending doesn't have us as in a position for that goaltender to be elite in the POs.
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Dude let in multiple weak goals. Some of that was on him, he was outplayed by Laurent brossoit ffs. Helle also wants to play 65 plus games so yeah part of the problem was him also. Don't get me wrong, he's an elite goalie but seems like in the playoffs, he's just average
 
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KFnC204 said:
Very wrong and it probably plays a role here although that was 2 3 years ago now and like a once in a lifetime thing so not sure it should matter
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For sure, old news now probably not a big deal right now for any potential extension talks. I would hope he apologized to Helle in person back then

Although, sounds like that “ship has sailed” anyways. His trade value will never be higher than it is right now so hopefully we can get a haul for him
 
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Very wrong and it probably plays a role here although that was 2 3 years ago now and like a once in a lifetime thing so not sure it should matter



Dude let in multiple weak goals. Some of that was on him, he was outplayed by Laurent brossoit ffs
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FFS read the post? never said he was great in the POs.

do you think we even make the POs w/ league average starter? league average is 0.899 - that's 41 more GA in the Hellebuyck played games.

so chances are that said-average starter doesn't even have a chance to showcase "elite" in the POs.
 
I'll be honest here, during the pandemic I lost a lot of respect for helle. Dude should have just shut up and realized he's a privileged rich athlete. Ppl were dying, ppl did die, hospitals still recovering here... Dude needed to be more aware.

It's not just helle tho, it's all entitled rich athletes who think they know what's best, while Billeck was wrong bringing up his baby, helle should be smart enough to know that at that time, the majority of ppl here were ok with the restrictions. Just cuz some tiny niche fringe groups weren't, don't mean most weren't.

DRW204 said:
FFS read the post? never said he was great in the POs.

do you think we even make the POs w/ league average starter? league average is 0.899 - that's 41 more GA in the Hellebuyck played games.

so chances are that said-average starter doesn't even have a chance to showcase "elite" in the POs.
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I don't care. He don't wanna be here.

Does Vegas have elite goaltending? No they don't
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I'll be honest here, during the pandemic I lost a lot of respect for helle. Dude should have just shut up and realized he's a privileged rich athlete. Ppl were dying, ppl did die, hospitals still recovering here... Dude needed to be more aware.

It's not just helle tho, it's all entitled rich athletes who think they know what's best, while Billeck was wrong bringing up his baby, helle should be smart enough to know that at that time, the majority of ppl here were ok with the restrictions. Just cuz some tiny niche fringe groups weren't, don't mean most weren't.
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ok and this has 0 to do w/ what we're talking about. so cool story bro?
 
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KFnC204 said:
Very wrong and it probably plays a role here although that was 2 3 years ago now and like a once in a lifetime thing so not sure it should matter



Dude let in multiple weak goals. Some of that was on him, he was outplayed by Laurent brossoit ffs. Helle also wants to play 65 plus games so yeah part of the problem was him also. Don't get me wrong, he's an elite goalie but seems like in the playoffs, he's just average
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The whole team was outplayed. I pylon could play net for Vegas with that team defence and win a playoff series against the Jets.
 
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I think any trade of Helle to the Penguins would probably have to involve Granlund for salary cap reasons. So maybe the Jets would get 2023 1st, Pickering & Granlund.
 
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