GDT: 2024 TDL thread. Post all trades, rumors, and etc around the league. (TDL, Friday 3/8 @ 3pm ET)

[TominNC]

How about having 3 lines that work. I think I'd go with that option.

Better chance you screw up what's working.. Looking for the perfect checkers move.

 

[Vitto79]

Rather rent a cheap RW or go balzy with a Kakko , Jones package for 2 RW with term

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

I love how the we never develop the kidz crowd is still harping on a trade that was made specifically and whole heartedly to make more room for and give more opportunities to the kids.

 

[eco's bones]

Drury got praised for finding deals in the bargain bin. Vatrano for a 4th. Motte for a 4th. Braun for a 3rd. The only big trade we made was for Copp. It ended up being Morgan Barron, a 1st, a 2nd and a 5th for Copp and a 6th.

Copp had 18 points in 16 regular season games playing with Panarin, got injured toward the end of the year, then only had 14 points in 20 playoff games. Those numbers aren't terrible, but not exactly worth what we paid, and then we didn't re-sign him. All of those assets were wasted.

Stuff like this is why I'm against trading significant assets for rentals. We can find guys who can contribute without mortgaging the future.

If we want to trade those 1st and 2nd rounders for players who will be here long term, fine. I'm good with that. But by long term, I mean a guy who is young and entering his prime. Not someone like Guentzel who is turning 30 and will be getting a large, 7-8 year deal as a pending UFA. We can sign Guentzel in the offseason to the same contract without trading for him first, if we want. Spending that many assets for 1 playoff run is foolish.

Which is a reason why I could deal with us using a 1st to bring back Buchnevich because he's still signed for next year and if worse comes to worse you at least have the option of flipping him again next year and barring injury should get back at least most if not all of your investment. Guentzel is not that. If we could pry Tuch from Buffalo but that's probably a pipedream.

On Wennberg I really don't know that much about him to comment which is also a way of saying I've never noticed him enough that he's been on my radar as a player that I would want on our team. I don't have a comprehensive opinion on every player in the league so maybe there is something there but he wouldn't have been a guy I'd have been after. His name appears as a guy with the beat writers kind of recently which makes me think the normally keep things to himself Drury finally dropped them a bone and so we have this kind of pre-trade cheerleading of the deal.

If it works it works and working means a long run/Stanley Cup. If it doesn't like you say it's more wasted assets in an arms race that we lose. Any suggestion at this time of signing this Wennberg next year or beyond is premature for now.

 

[New York RKY]

Yes, yes Bill Zito is God and Chris Drury is a chump…

Even though Florida just barely squeaked into the playoffs last year…. But that was just an aberration. Zito = God, Drury = Chump.

Shhhhh don’t allow facts to go against my preconceived narrative.

 

[NYR Viper]

No mention of the Rangers, which makes sense

 

[duhmetreE]

Panarin Tro Laffy
Kreider Zibs Buch/Zucker - not sold on this copium that Zibs starts playing well but who knows
Cuylle Wennberg Kakko
Edstrom Brodz Vesey

Chychrun Fox
KAM Schneider
Lindgren/Gus Trouba

IF YOU CAN BELIEVE YOU CAN ACHIEVE

ALL IN

Trade Lindgren and Trouba in the offseason to recoup picks and free up cap

 

[GAGLine]

Rather rent a cheap RW or go balzy with a Kakko , Jones package for 2 RW with term

If we're trading Kakko, it has to be an offseason move. Trading him now for a RW just means we have to make another trade to replace Kakko.

Which is a reason why I could deal with us using a 1st to bring back Buchnevich because he's still signed for next year and if worse comes to worse you at least have the option of flipping him again next year and barring injury should get back at least most if not all of your investment. Guentzel is not that. If we could pry Tuch from Buffalo but that's probably a pipedream.

Buch isn't that much different than Guentzel. He's going to cost a lot to acquire, both because he has that extra year, and because we would need them to retain.

We'd have him for 1.25 years, but then he'd need a new contract at age 30. Drury screwed up badly when he traded Buch. There's no two ways about it. Let's not compound that screw up by trying to undo it.

 

[Circus86]

No mention of the Rangers, which makes sense

Vegas has infinite cap space.

 

[Fitzy]

If we're trading Kakko, it has to be an offseason move. Trading him now for a RW just means we have to make another trade to replace Kakko.

IF they trade Kakko here, which I don't think they will, IMO the logic would be that a 3rd line winger is easier to replace with a Vesey or Brodzinski than is the position with Kreider and Zibanejad

 

[NYR Viper]

I get the sense that Zucker is going to be the forgotten man and go for peanuts close to the deadline.

Also, low key, Okposo will likely be the same.

Drury could add both guys for less than what Buch or Guentzel will require.

 

[GAGLine]

I love how the we never develop the kidz crowd is still harping on a trade that was made specifically and whole heartedly to make more room for and give more opportunities to the kids.

I don't think anyone was upset that Buchnevich was traded. The problem was, and always will be, the return. He's one of the few impact forwards we have drafted and developed, and we gave him away for nothing. Now people want to spend significant assets to get him back.

 

[duhmetreE]

I get the sense that Zucker is going to be the forgotten man and go for peanuts close to the deadline.

Also, low key, Okposo will likely be the same.

Drury could add both guys for less than what Buch or Guentzel will require.

and use the assets to upgrade LHD. beautiful

they want a 2nd but no one is biting. If we can get Zucker for a 3rd. I'd take it.

Then add Chychrun with some futures.

 

[Raspewtin]

Yes, yes Bill Zito is God and Chris Drury is a chump…

Even though Florida just barely squeaked into the playoffs last year…. But that was just an aberration. Zito = God, Drury = Chump.

they also won the PT the year before and have a very real chance to win it this year.

goaltending tomf***ery sunk them in the RS last year. They survived it and made the finals off the back of Zito making some very tough moves.

I'd certainly take their path over ours.

 

[irishlaxburger2]

I get the sense that Zucker is going to be the forgotten man and go for peanuts close to the deadline.

Also, low key, Okposo will likely be the same.

Drury could add both guys for less than what Buch or Guentzel will require.

Neither of those guys get you a Cup (by themselves or together), so there's not much point in it.

The only reason to trade for one of them is to make Kakko expendable for a bigger 1RW move.

 

[GAGLine]

IF they trade Kakko here, which I don't think they will, IMO the logic would be that a 3rd line winger is easier to replace with a Vesey or Brodzinski than is the position with Kreider and Zibanejad

Does upgrading at 1RW and downgrading at 3RW help us that much? I don't think so. And if we have injuries, that's one less player we have to fill a spot.

 

[NYR Viper]

Neither of those guys get you a Cup (by themselves or together), so there's not much point in it.

The only reason to trade for one of them is to make Kakko expendable for a bigger 1RW move.

I'd argue that this isn't true. The team needs better depth at RW and they need to find someone who can augment Kreider-Zibanejad. Add both Zucker and Okposo and the they have real NHL depth on the wing and (2) options to play with those guys.

 

[will1066]

and use the assets to upgrade LHD. beautiful

they want a 2nd but no one is biting. If we can get Zucker for a 3rd. I'd take it.

Then add Chychrun with some futures.

 

[duhmetreE]

Better chance you screw up what's working.. Looking for the perfect checkers move.

We need puck carriers spread out through the top9. Right now, Panarin, Trocheck and Laffy are our best puck carriers. They are all on the same line.
Wennberg addition helps. He's decent at carrying the puck and help solidify the 3rd line. Zibs needs a puck carrier. There needs to be some tweaking

 

[Vitto79]

If we're trading Kakko, it has to be an offseason move. Trading him now for a RW just means we have to make another trade to replace Kakko.

Buch isn't that much different than Guentzel. He's going to cost a lot to acquire, both because he has that extra year, and because we would need them to retain.

We'd have him for 1.25 years, but then he'd need a new contract at age 30. Drury screwed up badly when he traded Buch. There's no two ways about it. Let's not compound that screw up by trying to undo it.

Not necessarily if it’s an option we don’t expect say both Crouse and Zucker if that even can fit the cap

 

[McRanger92]

No mention of the Rangers, which makes sense

The longer it goes the more the Guentzel/Rangers stuff feels like someone trying to pump up trade value

 

[irishlaxburger2]

I'd argue that this isn't true. The team needs better depth at RW and they need to find someone who can augment Kreider-Zibanejad. Add both Zucker and Okposo and the they have real NHL depth on the wing and (2) options to play with those guys.

I just don't see a scenario where a team icing Jason Zucker, Kyle Okposo, or Kaapo Kakko on their top line is going to compete with Vegas or Florida.

I think you either go all-in (in this case, that means acquiring a true 1RW) or you don't. Middle ground doesn't get you anywhere.

 

[NYR Viper]

and use the assets to upgrade LHD. beautiful

they want a 2nd but no one is biting. If we can get Zucker for a 3rd. I'd take it.

Then add Chychrun with some futures.

This needs to be a top priority in the offseason IMO. It will suck if Hanifin is signed but Forsling is another option. And they need to prioritize another 3rd pairing guy, hopefully by the removal of Trouba and Lindgren

I just don't see a scenario where a team icing Jason Zucker, Kyle Okposo, or Kaapo Kakko on their top line is going to compete with Vegas or Florida.

I think you either go all-in (in this case, that means acquiring a true 1RW) or you don't. Middle ground doesn't get you anywhere.

The Rangers aren't playing Florida in rounds 1 or 2. You need to get there and see what happens. It's all about improving your chances

 

[HonestGabe]

No mention of the Rangers, which makes sense

You're also forgetting that Pierre LeBrun never knows anything. Look at all of his tweets, he's either casting a super wide net and saying literally nothing or he just regurgitates what someone else already said.

"My sense of the situation from sources around the league is that the Penguins may be close to moving Guentzel. As many as 6-7 teams checked in on him, but no one has met the asking price yet"

That's how all of his articles and "inside scoops" read. He's by far the worst of them all. Never actually reports on anything and gets paid to tweet all day. What a life.

 

[NYR Viper]

Pacioretty would make a lot of sense as a buy low guy