GDT: 2024 TDL thread. Post all trades, rumors, and etc around the league. (TDL, Friday 3/8 @ 3pm ET)

[Raspewtin]

I would argue the trades he made during the 21-22 TDL helped significantly to propel the team to the ECF.

The trades he made last season were poo poo

Also, the summer Buch was traded Kakko was just coming out of his 2nd professional season. No team is trading a #2 overall pick after 2 seasons. If it happened now and they decided to trade Buch to retain Kakko, I'd agree with you

They did but they had to be made because he traded Buchnevich in the first place and hedged his bets on Kakko and Kravtsov. That has to play into it.

I'm not saying he should've traded Kakko that summer (well, he should've but at the time I certainly didn't think that) but to trade your only good RW to hedge bets on completely unproven prospects is something we're still suffering for. That trade has forced us to make at least 3 other trades where we gave up significant assets.

 

[GAGLine]

I would argue the trades he made during the 21-22 TDL helped significantly to propel the team to the ECF.

The trades he made last season were poo poo

Also, the summer Buch was traded Kakko was just coming out of his 2nd professional season. No team is trading a #2 overall pick after 2 seasons. If it happened now and they decided to trade Buch to retain Kakko, I'd agree with you

Drury got praised for finding deals in the bargain bin. Vatrano for a 4th. Motte for a 4th. Braun for a 3rd. The only big trade we made was for Copp. It ended up being Morgan Barron, a 1st, a 2nd and a 5th for Copp and a 6th.

Copp had 18 points in 16 regular season games playing with Panarin, got injured toward the end of the year, then only had 14 points in 20 playoff games. Those numbers aren't terrible, but not exactly worth what we paid, and then we didn't re-sign him. All of those assets were wasted.

Stuff like this is why I'm against trading significant assets for rentals. We can find guys who can contribute without mortgaging the future.

If we want to trade those 1st and 2nd rounders for players who will be here long term, fine. I'm good with that. But by long term, I mean a guy who is young and entering his prime. Not someone like Guentzel who is turning 30 and will be getting a large, 7-8 year deal as a pending UFA. We can sign Guentzel in the offseason to the same contract without trading for him first, if we want. Spending that many assets for 1 playoff run is foolish.

 

[lakeshirts37]

I mean if they are open to Chychrun, I simply would have traded for Hanifin instead

Jakob has the extra year of control which is enticing

 

[pld459666]

With the way Calgary is getting f***ed on every trade they make, would it really surprise anyone for them to trade Sharangovich to us for an1st??

 

[Raspewtin]

Drury got praised for finding deals in the bargain bin. Vatrano for a 4th. Motte for a 4th. Braun for a 3rd. The only big trade we made was for Copp. It ended up being Morgan Barron, a 1st, a 2nd and a 5th for Copp and a 6th.

Copp had 18 points in 16 regular season games playing with Panarin, got injured toward the end of the year, then only had 14 points in 20 playoff games. Those numbers aren't terrible, but not exactly worth what we paid, and then we didn't re-sign him. All of those assets were wasted.

Stuff like this is why I'm against trading significant assets for rentals. We can find guys who can contribute without mortgaging the future.

If we want to trade those 1st and 2nd rounders for players who will be here long term, fine. I'm good with that. But by long term, I mean a guy who is young and entering his prime. Not someone like Guentzel who is turning 30 and will be getting a large, 7-8 year deal as a pending UFA. We can sign Guentzel in the offseason to the same contract without trading for him first, if we want. Spending that many assets for 1 playoff run is foolish.

yes to his credit Vatrano and Motte were A+ moneypuck finds. he deserves praise for that.

Copp was done specifically because Buch was traded and Kakko was a disappointment. I'm not shedding any tears over Barron really but those assets went down the drain and could've been used for something more LT.

 

[RGY]

 

[pld459666]

Jakob has the extra year of control which is enticing

He also misses close to 20+ games a year and is about due to get hurt again.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Complaining about the GM is nothing but a coping mechanism. Drury is middle of the road until he wins something. It's extremely naive to think any other person in his position would make drastically different moves then he has made. It's just another plot point the increasing number crybabies and know it all's in the Rangers fanbase can point to while the team continues to win games.



Why do 3 smart teams want the worst player in the league?

I don't know that I'd categorize any of those teams as smart.

 

[dshea19]

I missed that. Where did you hear that?

Nowhere specific. Just reading things along the lines that both sides were not happy with each other before the trade and that Buchnevich is not interested in coming back. Of course, that is speculation and maybe he is interested. I think that the situation is more complicated than just what Drury is willing to do. Maybe Buch is willing to waive the NTC and come back. Ultimately, we will find out but I do remember Buch was getting salty when he was here dealing with yearly trade rumors, to the point that Kreider had to quiet him down after a game when Buch made some passing comments on the way to the dressing room after a game,

 

[McRanger92]

Upon sleeping on it here's my take:

Guentzel: The media chatter around this guy is too loud and persistent to be taken at face value. Dubas backed himself into a corner with his large asking price and artificial deadline. Vancouver balked when they heard the asking price im sure, plus the rumored 3 way deal with Lindholm is not east to pull off. Rangers & Canes are being mentioned to drive up prices. I think he ends up in Vegas as I said last night. Them keeping their first this year and having Crosby's agents son as a prospect is too freaking obvious.

Buch: This is the move to make. Let fans whine about asset management, but in the here and now, getting Buchnevich is the best move for the team. Solve RW and the Mika/Kreider problems in one shot. It would cost a haul obviously but nothing that would cripple us long term especially if you're getting him for 50% salary for 2 years. Now despite the obsessives, there was a reason we traded him in the first place. He has similar flaws to Mika and Kreider that have driven us nuts for years. Overpassing, fluctuating commitment to go to the tough areas, etc. Don't let the bad trade from a few years ago cloud the fact that Buch isnt a superstar. But hes really good and a fit and it should be explored. Even Brooks and Staple admitting how much it makes sense.

Vatrano: Let him be an Islander, he makes more sense for them. If Drury wants to improve the top 6 5v5 play, why are they adding a guy who isnt a good 5v5 player? At this point adding Vatrano, even at a lower than the asking price, is a move that would annoy me. Ill join in the Drury bashing if this is the route they go.

Toffoli/Eberle: Ill lump these 2 together because their availability to the Rangers in particular is in doubt. Both are good fits and useful offensive players. Toffoli will probably go out west. Eberle is not available as of yet but I still find it hard to believe Seattle will trade a guy they want to extend for anything less than a 1st round pick.

Duclair/Zucker: Fall back options. Both have their benefits and their warts. I personally prefer Zucker because he can be more of an agitator and physical player. A line with Duclair will be trading on man rushes back and forth, which has its benefits but thats not really the game I want them to be playing in the playoffs.

Rangers need to add 1 one of these guys, or an off the board name that isnt openly available like Jenner or Tuch. Either way, the mandate should be to et a big time player. Act like Vegas for once. We have the assets.

Ill add a Chychrun take as well because Brooks brought it up and I think he will get moved somewhere. I definitely worry about the injury issues with Chychrun but sometimes that goes away as guys age. He's 25 now and tracking to play his most games ever (admittedly not saying much). Teams covet rangy left D like him and he would be a huge boost. Id be all over it within reason. Include Lindgren to make it work if you have to.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

I love Guentzal but adding Buch + Chychrun to this lineup would be pretty incredible

 

[SnowblindNYR]

People move the goal posts with Zito. With the Rangers it's all about the post season. With Zito no one brings up his team getting swept in the second round but only the Presidents' trophy that year.

 

[Machinehead]

I don't like Sharangovich. He has an annoying name, an annoying face, he played for the Devils, and he just annoys me.

 

[NYR Viper]

Drury got praised for finding deals in the bargain bin. Vatrano for a 4th. Motte for a 4th. Braun for a 3rd. The only big trade we made was for Copp. It ended up being Morgan Barron, a 1st, a 2nd and a 5th for Copp and a 6th.

Copp had 18 points in 16 regular season games playing with Panarin, got injured toward the end of the year, then only had 14 points in 20 playoff games. Those numbers aren't terrible, but not exactly worth what we paid, and then we didn't re-sign him. All of those assets were wasted.

Stuff like this is why I'm against trading significant assets for rentals. We can find guys who can contribute without mortgaging the future.

If we want to trade those 1st and 2nd rounders for players who will be here long term, fine. I'm good with that. But by long term, I mean a guy who is young and entering his prime. Not someone like Guentzel who is turning 30 and will be getting a large, 7-8 year deal as a pending UFA. We can sign Guentzel in the offseason to the same contract without trading for him first, if we want. Spending that many assets for 1 playoff run is foolish.

I will say that the Copp trade didn't bother me as much because I think there was some idea that they needed a center, they through Copp was a good option and then after watching him nightly, they pivoted to Trochek who was a UFA at years end but wasn't available as a rental.

I'm okay adding guys at the deadline who are meant to be longer term assets. Guys the team wants to sign anyways and who can help for a playoff push as well.

Pure rentals, that's mid-to-late picks and depth prospects only.

I don't like Sharangovich. He has an annoying name, an annoying face, he played for the Devils, and he just annoys me.

Tell us how you really feel though

 

[RGY]

Zito has drained half FLA’s 1st and 2nd round picks over the next 3 years + Tippett. I believe he traded 2023 picks as well. I mean man, Zeus over there better win it all soon otherwise he will be dubbed the new Sir Chump.

 

[Fitzy]

The drop off in value from a 1st round pick to a 2nd rounder is, on average, probably about 75%. The drop from a 2nd to a mid round pick?

Put it this way, I wouldn't trade the 20th overall pick for even 5 3rd rounders.

So these distinctions between picks are larger than their round number would indicate. Be cautious trading firsts. Don't get me wrong, we've mussed our fair share in Kravtsov, Andersson, McIlrath, Sanguinetti, but the odds are still a lot better.

 

[NYR Viper]

Would the Rangers consider Moverare a good depth addition? I don't think the new added (2) year contract would make them less interested, if anything it may help. The team is going to have some depth concerns moving forward after trading away so many picks for 3 years. Adding a 25 year old d-man may be a good move. It would also allow Jones to be used as a trade chip perhaps.

 

[DanielBrassard]

yes to his credit Vatrano and Motte were A+ moneypuck finds. he deserves praise for that.

Copp was done specifically because Buch was traded and Kakko was a disappointment. I'm not shedding any tears over Barron really but those assets went down the drain and could've been used for something more LT.

The Rangers are going to have lost, assuming they trade for a RW before the TD is over, 3 1sts, 1 2nd, 1 4th, 1 5th, Barron, Skinner, and likely another prospect to have filled the RW issue that Drury created. It almost is irrelevant what else he’s done because that is so egregious.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Upon sleeping on it here's my take:

Guentzel: The media chatter around this guy is too loud and persistent to be taken at face value. Dubas backed himself into a corner with his large asking price and artificial deadline. Vancouver balked when they heard the asking price im sure, plus the rumored 3 way deal with Lindholm is not east to pull off. Rangers & Canes are being mentioned to drive up prices. I think he ends up in Vegas as I said last night. Them keeping their first this year and having Crosby's agents son as a prospect is too freaking obvious.

Buch: This is the move to make. Let fans whine about asset management, but in the here and now, getting Buchnevich is the best move for the team. Solve RW and the Mika/Kreider problems in one shot. It would cost a haul obviously but nothing that would cripple us long term especially if you're getting him for 50% salary for 2 years. Now despite the obsessives, there was a reason we traded him in the first place. He has similar flaws to Mika and Kreider that have driven us nuts for years. Overpassing, fluctuating commitment to go to the tough areas, etc. Don't let the bad trade from a few years ago cloud the fact that Buch isnt a superstar. But hes really good and a fit and it should be explored. Even Brooks and Staple admitting how much it makes sense.

Vatrano: Let him be an Islander, he makes more sense for them. If Drury wants to improve the top 6 5v5 play, why are they adding a guy who isnt a good 5v5 player? At this point adding Vatrano, even at a lower than the asking price, is a move that would annoy me. Ill join in the Drury bashing if this is the route they go.

Toffoli/Eberle: Ill lump these 2 together because their availability to the Rangers in particular is in doubt. Both are good fits and useful offensive players. Toffoli will probably go out west. Eberle is not available as of yet but I still find it hard to believe Seattle will trade a guy they want to extend for anything less than a 1st round pick.

Duclair/Zucker: Fall back options. Both have their benefits and their warts. I personally prefer Zucker because he can be more of an agitator and physical player. A line with Duclair will be trading on man rushes back and forth, which has its benefits but thats not really the game I want them to be playing in the playoffs.

Rangers need to add 1 one of these guys, or an off the board name that isnt openly available like Jenner or Tuch. Either way, the mandate should be to et a big time player. Act like Vegas for once. We have the assets.

Ill add a Chychrun take as well because Brooks brought it up and I think he will get moved somewhere. I definitely worry about the injury issues with Chychrun but sometimes that goes away as guys age. He's 25 now and tracking to play his most games ever (admittedly not saying much). Teams covet rangy left D like him and he would be a huge boost. Id be all over it within reason. Include Lindgren to make it work if you have to.

Pefectly summed up and I concur.

No team is perfect and there is a wide open field in the east. If theres a time to go for it, its now, but I still feel like they can find another winger without selling the farm (a 1st, Kakko, top prospect).

I'd almost be inclined to find a solid even strength add who has the ability to play up and on both sides of the puck (ala Foegele, in a 3 way) and just add to the defensive depth of the team up front instead of going for the jugular with an offensive dynamo. That approach never works out for the Rangers - especially because the PP is set and it will be upsetted with a guy like Buch, Guentzel, etc. And now that they've added Wennberg - this team could see some noticeable improvement 5on5 and give up even less chances. With Igor rounding back into form, thats a big plus.

However, the real issue is the defense. I'd much rather make a hockey trade for Chychrun (or Hanafin, but that ship has sailed) to bolster a back end that is really trending south. Dont wait until the offseason to make adjustments there. You need that now just as much or more than trying to pigeon hole a winger for Mika.

 

[surlysailor]

Wonder who lak are putting on waivers. If it’s kaliyev nyr should make a low ball pitch for him. Better something than nothing. Gives them a good option if no big moves are made, also allows them to be more willing to give up an asset like kk in a Buch type deal, not that I’d be really in on that personally but they at least would have kal to be their 3rw.

 

[NYRKing]

Happy with Wennberg. With Kakko and Cuylle that should be a great 3rd line to battle with in the playoffs.

A little too much Canes snobbery lately with ripping any team that makes a tdl move.

Wouldn’t mind them getting Guenzel and bouncing in round 1

 

[Mac n Gs]

For all of the hype and whatnot around Guentzel, I doubt he'll go for much more than what STL got for sending O'Reilly to Toronto last year. That was a bit more complicated since Acciari was part of the deal, but the overall package was

STL: O'Reilly, Acciari, and Josh Pillar (random throw-in prospect with no NHL future)

TOR: 2023 1st, 2023 3rd, 2024 2nd, Adam Gaudette, and Mikhail Abramov. Leafs fans loved to overhype Abramov, but he was another small, meh forward that Dubas took despite being pretty unremarkable in the Q. I think people overestimate how good at his job Dubas is. He's pretty meh and bad at reading talent at the pro-level. He's been riding the coattails of his performance with the Greyhounds for nearly a decade now.

 

[Circus86]

I wonder what the team plans with Lindgren? Will he be gone in the summer or do they offer him a new contract? If they plan to move on from Lindgren then trading for Chychrun now is a solid move.

 

[TominNC]

I know. I know.

Im just looking for balance.

This team isnt going anywhere with Mika not producing. And i feel a ton of it has to do with the bromance.

Always liked Kreider with Trocheck. Now that you have a matchup line with Wennberg you can set Mika free.

This is the risk when you bring in a few guys, but the idea is to have 4 lines going and balance

At this point right or wrong hoping for them to break up Mika and Kreider is like hoping for them to trade Lindgren or Trouba. It's not happening. I'd rather have a line I can count on anyway.

 

[will1066]

Drury got praised for finding deals in the bargain bin. Vatrano for a 4th. Motte for a 4th. Braun for a 3rd. The only big trade we made was for Copp. It ended up being Morgan Barron, a 1st, a 2nd and a 5th for Copp and a 6th.

Copp had 18 points in 16 regular season games playing with Panarin, got injured toward the end of the year, then only had 14 points in 20 playoff games. Those numbers aren't terrible, but not exactly worth what we paid, and then we didn't re-sign him. All of those assets were wasted.

Stuff like this is why I'm against trading significant assets for rentals. We can find guys who can contribute without mortgaging the future.

If we want to trade those 1st and 2nd rounders for players who will be here long term, fine. I'm good with that. But by long term, I mean a guy who is young and entering his prime. Not someone like Guentzel who is turning 30 and will be getting a large, 7-8 year deal as a pending UFA. We can sign Guentzel in the offseason to the same contract without trading for him first, if we want. Spending that many assets for 1 playoff run is foolish.

Keeping track of this thread is like drinking from a firehose, but I randomly landed on your post. I think what you say is fair. Have to think the market conditions two years ago were different than now. I don't think Copp would fetch a 1st at this deadline. Copp made sense two years ago. He bolstered the depth, he knew the guys on this team.

I know this is hindsight, but aren't we glad Copp isn't here now? Yzerman gave him a long-term deal with no-movement clauses where he hasn't lived up to the contract at all. Barron is a good kid but he's no one we miss.

Agree with you on Guentzel. After 30, most guys decline and decline quickly.