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maclean said:
My tl;dr from this is that Pep ruined Tuchel as a coach
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Ruined is a bit harsh given the success TT has had...but he was a much more creative & courageous coach with Mainz & Dortmund than in Paris, London, or Bavaria.

TT was too naive and probably was going to become more cynical eventually anyway, but between the way Bayern took advantage of them and how ugly his divorce from Dortmund got as a result of failing to beat Pep; Tuchel over-corrected.

It also doesn't help that TT was always a dick, so he had less room for error / experimentation than coaches people actually liked working with. Watzke's an asshole too, so it's never surprising when someone feuds with him, but that wasn't a Nagelsmann v Kahn/Brazzo situation.
 
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robertmac43 said:
Came out of no where tbh.

Much needed reinforcements. If Herdman gets this team to gel they may cause some problems. Big if though after their performances last season.
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Don't get your hopes up, he's a League Two player with two knee surgeries at 23, I'd love to watch him succeed but yeah...
 

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Wee Baby Seamus said:
hey man, sometimes those TFC 2 call-ups become good players who get inexplicably loaned and then transferred to Nashville
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If it didn't hurt so much I would be laughing. Nashville straight up has the best pipeline for Canadian talent. They seem to scout the CPL more than TFC, Van, and Montreal as well.

Pacius going to Nashville instead of TFC when they were in need of a young striker will never not annoy me.
 
luiginb said:
The less famous Longstaff brother, who I thought would be a star about three and a half years ago.
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their father was a pretty good hockey player

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David Longstaff at eliteprospects.com

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of David Longstaff, 1974-08-26 North Shields, GBR England. Most recently in the NIHL 1 with Whitley Warriors. Complete player biography and stats.
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Viktor Gyokeres has 31 goals and 10 assists in 34 games for Sporting since joining from Coventry last summer. And yet there is many who say he is not good. Dude is pure quality. Top clubs should be all over him.

Sweden has a great attack with Isak, Kulusevski and him. And now we have a new good coach in Jon Dahl Tomasson.

See ya all in World Cup 2026
 
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I said that I was extremely skeptical of Gyokeres (at the price he'd been linked to Chelsea at) simply because he had very little top flight experience and is in his mid-20s. Maybe that's what is being thought of here?

He is doubtless extremely intriguing.
 
He's nearly 26 and hadn't made any impact above Championship level. He's playing really well at Sporting, but this is the Portuguese league and Sporting are at/near the top of that totem pole.
 
Jersey Fresh said:
He's nearly 26 and hadn't made any impact above Championship level. He's playing really well at Sporting, but this is the Portuguese league and Sporting are at/near the top of that totem pole.
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Yea, that's basically my thing. But again, I definitely find him fascinating. He gets a lot of assists for a forward.
 
Wee Baby Seamus said:
I said that I was extremely skeptical of Gyokeres (at the price he'd been linked to Chelsea at) simply because he had very little top flight experience and is in his mid-20s. Maybe that's what is being thought of here?

He is doubtless extremely intriguing.
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Imagine Brighton with a Gyokeres-Boniface striker partnership. They had it in house
 
26 is also the age Drogba got into Chelsea after one single high profile season in Ligue 1.
I'm not syng he's going to explode like Drogba did but age doesn't always mean everything.
 
Evilo said:
26 is also the age Drogba got into Chelsea after one single high profile season in Ligue 1.
I'm not syng he's going to explode like Drogba did but age doesn't always mean everything.
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It's true (except for the one single part, he'd had two Ligue 1 seasons with over 0.5 gpg). There are late bloomers in this sport, and to me it's totally conceivable that Gyokeres is one. He was extremely good in the Championship and has been even better in Portugal.

I have a hard time assessing players who are spectacular in the Championship. A lot of players who seem too good for that level and not good enough for the PL (Pukki the classic, Mitrovic is the rich man's version insofar as he is a good PL striker but looks like f***ing Van Basten in the Championship).

The last time we discussed Gyokeres here someone raised Ivan Toney, who also had no top division experience until his mid-20s. My response then was "I would hate it if Chelsea spent 70m on Ivan Toney right now." Late bloomers at a non-top level are extremely risky. But you're right, sometimes they pay off something major.

I'm currently extremely enjoying the late bloomer arc of Dom Solanke, because it's so fascinating to me that he was simultaneously the precocious prospect who was seen as top of his year throughout his late teens and then ended up coming extremely good in his mid-20s. For years he seemed the epitome of a "too good for Championship, not good enough for PL" striker, and suddenly he's turned on the goals. It's not often that the late bloomer is also someone who was seen as the next big thing.
 
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Wee Baby Seamus said:
It's true (except for the one single part, he'd had two Ligue 1 seasons with over 0.5 gpg). There are late bloomers in this sport, and to me it's totally conceivable that Gyokeres is one. He was extremely good in the Championship and has been even better in Portugal.

I have a hard time assessing players who are spectacular in the Championship. A lot of players who seem too good for that level and not good enough for the PL (Pukki the classic, Mitrovic is the rich man's version insofar as he is a good PL striker but looks like f***ing Van Basten in the Championship).

The last time we discussed Gyokeres here someone raised Ivan Toney, who also had no top division experience until his mid-20s. My response then was "I would hate it if Chelsea spent 70m on Ivan Toney right now." Late bloomers at a non-top level are extremely risky. But you're right, sometimes they pay off something major.

I'm currently extremely enjoying the late bloomer arc of Dom Solanke, because it's so fascinating to me that he was simultaneously the precocious prospect who was seen as top of his year throughout his late teens and then ended up coming extremely good in his mid-20s. For years he seemed the epitome of a "too good for Championship, not good enough for PL" striker, and suddenly he's turned on the goals. It's not often that the late bloomer is also someone who was seen as the next big thing.
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Füllkrug is another example who was highly hyped as a prospect before becoming a late bloomer at the top level.
 
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Füllkrug is another example who was highly hyped as a prospect before becoming a late bloomer at the top level.
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So, is there still hope for 25-year old Jonathan Eggestein, who is second leading scorer for his team, 2.BL leading club St.Pauli?

Maybe he explodes in the 1.BL next season when they get promoted :)
 
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So, is there still hope for 25-year old Jonathan Eggestein, who is second leading scorer for his team, 2.BL leading club St.Pauli?

Maybe he explodes in the 1.BL next season when they get promoted :)
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Jojo ending up a stud despite all of the time he missed, would be the most perfect karma for all of you :laugh:
 
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It's true (except for the one single part, he'd had two Ligue 1 seasons with over 0.5 gpg).
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I said high profile because it was with OM and he although he did score 17 with Guingamp, it was a low profile club and thus not hyped (as he was with OM with more or less the same number of goals).
 
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