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same ol' Caps
Nagelsmann?He's better & more adaptable.
I would buy tactically, but he also hasn't won anywhere near the amount Klopp has.
Nagelsmann?He's better & more adaptable.
No offense but better at what? Klopp's win Sunday was at minimum the third best of his tenure. They literally had children all over the field. If you tell me some other manager can do that, nope I don't believe you. You do not see coaches win games like that, and the more crazy part was, those kids weren't being played off the pitch before we scored. The gravity of this win with our fanbase will be looked on five years from now like a heroic feat. It was Klopp's Istanbul.
I'd say that, on my side, it is mostly PTSDIt's just people trying to stir shit.
Macron has the Qatar Emir coming and he's invited hundreds of people for dinner, including Mbappe.
There's really nothing to see here.
Not at that level, noTouche, Nagelsmann certainly never has gotten players like Süle, Kramaric, Demirbay, Nkunku, Olmo, Tel, etc. to perform like worldbeaters. And he definitely didn't get the ever-invisible Jamal Musiala to outplay Jude BettinGOAT up to the point that JN got fired last season
Gnabry had 12 and 10 in 19-20. Now, I'm not claiming to be an expert on how Bayern played then, but he's had double digit goals every season he's been in the BundesligaYou're over-rating how much Klopp got out of Mane, or under-rating how much Julian got out of Nkunku, Olmo, Musiala, Kramaric, etc.
Nevermind that Nagelsmann turned a raw bust like Serge Gnabry into a Bayern-starter.
He’s referring to how Gnabry went from bust to brilliant under Nagelsmann at Hoffenheim, I assumeGnabry had 12 and 10 in 19-20. Now, I'm not claiming to be an expert on how Bayern played then, but he's had double digit goals every season he's been in the Bundesliga
Good catch. I forgot they had overlapped thereHe’s referring to how Gnabry went from bust to brilliant under Nagelsmann at Hoffenheim, I assume
Which is also pushing it because Gnabry was good enough at Bremen the year prior for Bayern to sign him
I wouldn’t go Amorim (ahead of certain others)If not Alonso, Ruben Amorim is the sleeper imo.
Not at that level, no
Yep.Klopp made a bunch of no names (or no more than above average names) world class at Liverpool. Nagelsmann has made pretty much nobody world class.
I like JN, but he's far removed from Klopp in that particular aspect.
When you get guys like Robertson or Henderson play like super uber talents, when you make VVD turn from a good defenseman to #1 in the world for years, when you make Mane from a decent mid table scorer in the EPL to superstar and then back to mid table player, when you make Salah unleash his full potential ands top being that guy with talent but no end product, etc, etc, etc.. then yeah, you can compare to what Klopp achieved. He only bought two stars, which were Allison and Thiago.
Gnabry had 12 and 10 in 19-20. Now, I'm not claiming to be an expert on how Bayern played then, but he's had double digit goals every season he's been in the Bundesliga
He’s referring to how Gnabry went from bust to brilliant under Nagelsmann at Hoffenheim, I assume
Which is also pushing it because Gnabry was good enough at Bremen the year prior for Bayern to sign him
Woof!JN hasn't proven it on a cold Tuesday night at Stoke, but in Germany he's gotten more out of just good talents like Demirbay, Amiri, Süle, Kramaric, Kaderabek, etc. than Kloppo got out of Kagawa, Kuba, Bender, Schmelzer, etc. And under JN super talents like Musiala, Tel, and Nkunku have shined even more brightly than Lewa, Götze, and Reus did under JK.
Plus Klopp has a lot more Hofmann's on his resume, who he failed to make use of despite them later on having BuLi success, while Nagelsmann turned mediocre talents like Sandro Wagner into NTers.
Comparing the talents when they started working with each coach to what that coach got out of them, it's a clear advantage for the kid. Kloppo's great, and he's a ton of fun, but Nagelsmann is one of the few coaches who connects with his players almost (if not just) as well as Klopp does...on top of being a better teacher and more versatile tactically.
Just look at Süle, under Nagelsmann Süle has been a world class 2nd CB...not consistent to be your defensive anchor, but paired with a quality cleaner-upper he was phenomenal. Without Nagelsmann on his ass every day, Süle is a disaster for a Dortmund team that's struggling to hold onto 4th and was a major mess for Bayern.
Time will tell, but I suspect this'll be more like when all of you were telling me how much I was over-rating Klopp when he first got the Liverpool job by saying he was up there with Pep, than when I argued that TT's BVB was even more impressive than Klopp's was...until getting sonned by Pep caused TT to go overly-cynical.
Klopp’s Dortmund resume alone makes the “Nagelsmann is better” claim a difficult one to justify, and that’s not even touching the Liverpool squad he inherited, built, and turned into a machine.
to be fair, right now, sure. But there was a 2-3 year run where Liverpool were running neck and neck. The pace they put out would have won the title something stupid like 25 years it's been won.City are the only machine in the PL.