Blue Jays Discussion: 2024 Season - Complete without a great title in keeping with the performance
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Resigning Marner == Running it back
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Suntouchable13
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I wonder if we will start hearing more about any potential negotiations with Vladdy only after the WS ends? We don't know if any discussions even started between the Jays and Vladdy's reps.
MK78
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So who is everyone cheering for in the World Series? I can't cheer for the Yanks, and I hate the Dodgers for that obsecen Ohtani deal, but I'm cheering for Teoscar Hernandez.
He was discarded by the Jays, who have missed his power dearly. I hope he hits some big homers and becomes the World Series MVP.
He was discarded by the Jays, who have missed his power dearly. I hope he hits some big homers and becomes the World Series MVP.
David Popkins is the new hitting coach. I don't know enough about him to care too much one way or the other. He was the hitting coach for Minnesota the last three years, and they were a solid offensive team despite a ridiculous number of injuries.
I would have liked to see more responsibility to Hague and Edwin, but hopefully they're both still around next year. We needed to see change, and at least we're getting that.
I would have liked to see more responsibility to Hague and Edwin, but hopefully they're both still around next year. We needed to see change, and at least we're getting that.
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I don't think it's the hitting coach position that's the issue, it's more so the organization's philosophy on hitting (i.e., power and home runs are a low hanging fruit).
Biggest claim to fame for Popkins is Royce Lewis said he was ignoring his advice when he came back and went on that heater after his ACL injury in 2023.
Stat wise though he had the twins looking okay-ish
Stat wise though he had the twins looking okay-ish
- 2024 - 9th - 107 wRC+
- 2023 - 7th - 108 wRC+
- 2022 - 10th - 106 wRC+
Suntouchable13
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So maybe what this team needs is just to ignore advice and do their own thing or do the opposite. Following the advice of Guillermo, and Donny has not worked so good. Half kidding.
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Do you think Ross Atkins should have re-signed Samsonov?I know its early, but, Samsonov 2-0-1, 1.93 GAA , 9.43 SV%
Why the turnaround? Different system?,
better defense? Strange the improvement from the previous year. Probably he forgot how to swim.
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MK78
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I was 15 years old and thought baseball fandom couldn't get any better.
Fast forward I'm 46 and havent seen another Jays WS.
Leaf Rocket
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I am dodgers all the way
and he's been very good too!I'm excited for that game! it's yakuza blackflag!
I'm so pumped for it because it's both the dumbest thing I can imagine but at the same time completely on brand for RGG/Sega lmao..I am dodgers all the way
I'm excited for that game! it's yakuza blackflag!
Someone pointed out that imagine if it's these crazy bastards that deliver the pirate life sim people have been begging for for years
Suntouchable13
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I was 15 years old and thought baseball fandom couldn't get any better.
Fast forward I'm 46 and havent seen another Jays WS.
Parity is huge as ever in MLB right now. Lots of teams will have big droughts like this. Hell, even for the Yankees their 15 years between WS appearances was unheard of for them. How many teams have significant droughts without winning a playoff game? Several. Us included.
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Leaf Rocket
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I mean Goro is a hilarious character, being able to slip into any "funny" role so it'll be fun to see him get time to shine in the spotlight.
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Da Cool Rula
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the guy went from common lackey to getting his own family to deciding "yeah, i can do bomb defusal" while maintaining a completely legit and by the numbers construction company WHILE being the ruler of the underworld to "f*** it, i'm a pirate now"
shine on, you crazy diamond.
The Nemesis
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I meant to have this up earlier tonight but it turned out that making/eating/cleaning up dinner took longer than anticipated.
In honor of the world series starting yesterday and because I haven't done one of these in a while, I'm embarking on a slightly more ambitious multi-day version of hte vintage baseball radio posts that I did before. This time to present something timely:
A Yankees-Dodgers World Series. From 1956
This was, of course, the Brooklyn Dodgers against the Yankees and I believe it was the 7th of their now 12 clashes in the World Series. Why did I pick this series? Well, besides just having the two current WS teams and a heck of a lot of notable players, there's also some history to be had in this series. But we'll get to that a little later on.
Unfortunately it does not appear that game 2 audio is available anywhere, but I do have links to the rest of the series with every or almost every game in full.
Game 1 took place at Ebbetts Field in Brooklyn on Wednesday, October 3rd, 1956 and featured the following lineups:
Yankess
1) Hank Bauer (RF)
2) Enos Slaughter (LF)*
3) Mickey Mantle (CF)*
4) Yogi Berra (C)*
5) Bill Skowron (1B)
6) Gil McDougald (SS)
7) Billy Martin (2B)
8) Andy Carey (3B)
9) Whitey Ford (SP)*
Dodgers
1) Jim Gilliam (2B)
2) Pee Wee Reese (SS)*
3) Duke Snider (CF)*
4) Jackie Robinson (3B) *
5) Gil Hodges (1B)*
6) Carl Furillo (RF)
7) Roy Campanella (C)*
8) Sandy Amoros (LF)
9) Sal Maglie (SP)
*Denotes an eventual Baseball Hall of Fame member. Sandy Koufax was also on the Brooklyn roster but did not pitch in the series, and Don Drysdale will appear in a later game in the series
If you want to be spoiled, the box score for this game can be found here
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As always, if you want to be notified of future radio posts, just leave a like for this one.
I'll post game 3 one day this weekend. Either tomorrow (Saturday) or Sunday. And at an earlier hour.
In honor of the world series starting yesterday and because I haven't done one of these in a while, I'm embarking on a slightly more ambitious multi-day version of hte vintage baseball radio posts that I did before. This time to present something timely:
A Yankees-Dodgers World Series. From 1956
This was, of course, the Brooklyn Dodgers against the Yankees and I believe it was the 7th of their now 12 clashes in the World Series. Why did I pick this series? Well, besides just having the two current WS teams and a heck of a lot of notable players, there's also some history to be had in this series. But we'll get to that a little later on.
Unfortunately it does not appear that game 2 audio is available anywhere, but I do have links to the rest of the series with every or almost every game in full.
Game 1 took place at Ebbetts Field in Brooklyn on Wednesday, October 3rd, 1956 and featured the following lineups:
Yankess
1) Hank Bauer (RF)
2) Enos Slaughter (LF)*
3) Mickey Mantle (CF)*
4) Yogi Berra (C)*
5) Bill Skowron (1B)
6) Gil McDougald (SS)
7) Billy Martin (2B)
8) Andy Carey (3B)
9) Whitey Ford (SP)*
Dodgers
1) Jim Gilliam (2B)
2) Pee Wee Reese (SS)*
3) Duke Snider (CF)*
4) Jackie Robinson (3B) *
5) Gil Hodges (1B)*
6) Carl Furillo (RF)
7) Roy Campanella (C)*
8) Sandy Amoros (LF)
9) Sal Maglie (SP)
*Denotes an eventual Baseball Hall of Fame member. Sandy Koufax was also on the Brooklyn roster but did not pitch in the series, and Don Drysdale will appear in a later game in the series
If you want to be spoiled, the box score for this game can be found here
@Da Cool Rula, @MS, @HockeyThoughts , @the valiant effort, @td_ice, @PanniniClaus, @canucksfan
As always, if you want to be notified of future radio posts, just leave a like for this one.
I'll post game 3 one day this weekend. Either tomorrow (Saturday) or Sunday. And at an earlier hour.
The Nemesis
Semper Tyrannus
Now out well before it gets too late at night, here's the next game from the radio broadcast archives for the 1956 world series.
Game 2 is, to the best of my ability to research it, not widely or readily available online for listening. I do have this 1 hour video that purports to be the only surviving portion of the game, encompassing the last 2 innings of it from the original TV broadcast along with a lengthier recap of the whole series. So maybe this isn't the best thing to watch if you want the whole series of radio calls with no spoilers)
But here is the box score from that game, which I will put in spoiler tags along with a brief recap:
www.baseball-reference.com
As you can tell from the link, which will parse into a preview that tells you the score Brooklyn won a high-scoring affair 13-8 to take a 2-0 series lead over the Yankees on October 5th, 2 days after the series opened.
The game started quickly, with both teams notching 6 runs apiece in the first two innings before the Yankee offence sputtered and the Dodgers were able to put pressure on and record a trio of 2-run innings the rest of the way. Each team finished with 12 hits but the Yanks were also hurt by a pair of fielding errors along the way.
Neither team's starter escaped the second inning, with both Yankee Don Larsen and Dodger Don Newcombe being lifted after 1.2 innings. Newcombe fared the worst as he was charged with all 6 Yankee runs to that point on 6 hits and 2 walks, whereas Larsen gave up 4 runs, all of which were unearned while issuing 4 walks to just 1 hit and he left with a 6-4 lead.
After he was relieved, Johnny Kucks gave up a hit to the one and only batter he faced to bring the score to 6-5 Yankees. And then in came Tommy Byrne, who baseball-reference retroactively credits with a blown save (remember, the save statistic was first thought of in the early 1960s but didn't become an official stat until 1969. You'd think the blown save was the mirror twin to this development but it didn't enter MLB record books until 1988. So while there were no reliever stats to give Byrne in the reality of 1956, his outing did meet what would eventually become the criteria determined for crediting saves and blown saves based on future developments) for his surrendering of the tying run on another hit before he escaped the inning on his one and only out recorded of the game.
From there the Yankees streamed through 4 more pitchers, using 7 in total, none lasting more than 3 innings and 4 lasting less than 1. The worst damage came from Tom Morgan. He came in with 2 outs in the 3rd inning and lasted for 2 innings and in the process gave up 5 hits and 2 walks in the 13 batters he faced while surrendering 4 earned runs. He would be hung with the loss by game's end. Of the 7 Yankee pitchers, only Bob Turley, who relieved Morgan to finish the 5th, managed to get in and out of the game without giving up either a hit or a run.
Meanwhile on the Dodgers side of things Newcombe was pulled and replaced with Ed Roebuck, who got the final out of the second inning on his only batter faced and gave way to Don Bessent to start the 3rd inning. Bessent "cruised" through the remaining 7 innings, relatively speaking, giving up 2 runs on 6 hits while striking out 4 and walking 2.
On the offensive side of the ball, this game with a total of 21 runs saw just 2 home runs hit, though they notched a combined 7 runs as first Yogi Berra hit a second inning grand slam that would spell the end of Newcombe's day (cashing in pitcher Don Larsen along with Enos Slaughter and Mickey Mantle) in the top of the second while in the bottom of the second Duke Snider handed Tommy Byrne his blown save by launching a 3-run bomb that cahsed himself, Joe Gilliam, and Pee Wee Reese (all of which were counted as unearned runs) before Byrne managed to strike out Jackie Robinson to end the inning.
In spite of the lack of home runs, Gil Hodges of the Dodgers tied Berra with a game-high 4 RBI and notched the game-winning RBIs with a 4th inning double that brought home Snider and Robinson.
Also just for kicks, 2 pitchers, Don Larsen and Don Bessent both recorded RBIs in the course of the game.
So that brings us to game 3. The scene shifts to Yankee Stadium the very next day, October 6th.
Minor changes featuerd in the lineups for either team. For the Dodgers Sandy Amoros was bumped from LF, with Joe Gilliam moving from 2nd to the outfiled and Charlie Neal taking the vacated spot at second. And on the Yankee side Bill Skowron had already been lifted to start game 2 with Joe Collins taking the 1B spot.
The Yankees also went right back to Whitey Ford on the mound, pitching on 2 days rest, while the Dodgers countered with Roger Craig.
Here's your spoiler-blocked box score for this game in case you want to click it and choose to be spoiled.
And the broadcast itself:
(ignore that the thumbnail and most of the graphics that pop up on the video all say game 4. I'm pretty sure that's game 3. It mentions Whitey Ford starting for the Yankees and he did not pitch at all in the 4th game, which was Carl Erskine (Bkn) vs Tom Sturdivant (NYY)
I have links for the rest of the series and will post the remaining games every day or two over the next week plus.
@Da Cool Rula, @MS, @HockeyThoughts , @the valiant effort, @td_ice, @PanniniClaus, @canucksfan (I'm editing these into the post so I have a feeling nobody's going to get the notification. But I want to do it just to keep things symmetrical with the other similar posts.)
Game 2 is, to the best of my ability to research it, not widely or readily available online for listening. I do have this 1 hour video that purports to be the only surviving portion of the game, encompassing the last 2 innings of it from the original TV broadcast along with a lengthier recap of the whole series. So maybe this isn't the best thing to watch if you want the whole series of radio calls with no spoilers)
But here is the box score from that game, which I will put in spoiler tags along with a brief recap:
1956 World Series Game 2, New York Yankees vs Brooklyn Dodgers: October 5, 1956 | Baseball-Reference.com
Brooklyn Dodgers beat New York Yankees (13-8). Oct 5, 1956, Attendance: 36217, Time of Game: 3:26. Visit Baseball-Reference.com for the complete box score, play-by-play, and win probability
www.baseball-reference.com
As you can tell from the link, which will parse into a preview that tells you the score Brooklyn won a high-scoring affair 13-8 to take a 2-0 series lead over the Yankees on October 5th, 2 days after the series opened.
The game started quickly, with both teams notching 6 runs apiece in the first two innings before the Yankee offence sputtered and the Dodgers were able to put pressure on and record a trio of 2-run innings the rest of the way. Each team finished with 12 hits but the Yanks were also hurt by a pair of fielding errors along the way.
Neither team's starter escaped the second inning, with both Yankee Don Larsen and Dodger Don Newcombe being lifted after 1.2 innings. Newcombe fared the worst as he was charged with all 6 Yankee runs to that point on 6 hits and 2 walks, whereas Larsen gave up 4 runs, all of which were unearned while issuing 4 walks to just 1 hit and he left with a 6-4 lead.
After he was relieved, Johnny Kucks gave up a hit to the one and only batter he faced to bring the score to 6-5 Yankees. And then in came Tommy Byrne, who baseball-reference retroactively credits with a blown save (remember, the save statistic was first thought of in the early 1960s but didn't become an official stat until 1969. You'd think the blown save was the mirror twin to this development but it didn't enter MLB record books until 1988. So while there were no reliever stats to give Byrne in the reality of 1956, his outing did meet what would eventually become the criteria determined for crediting saves and blown saves based on future developments) for his surrendering of the tying run on another hit before he escaped the inning on his one and only out recorded of the game.
From there the Yankees streamed through 4 more pitchers, using 7 in total, none lasting more than 3 innings and 4 lasting less than 1. The worst damage came from Tom Morgan. He came in with 2 outs in the 3rd inning and lasted for 2 innings and in the process gave up 5 hits and 2 walks in the 13 batters he faced while surrendering 4 earned runs. He would be hung with the loss by game's end. Of the 7 Yankee pitchers, only Bob Turley, who relieved Morgan to finish the 5th, managed to get in and out of the game without giving up either a hit or a run.
Meanwhile on the Dodgers side of things Newcombe was pulled and replaced with Ed Roebuck, who got the final out of the second inning on his only batter faced and gave way to Don Bessent to start the 3rd inning. Bessent "cruised" through the remaining 7 innings, relatively speaking, giving up 2 runs on 6 hits while striking out 4 and walking 2.
On the offensive side of the ball, this game with a total of 21 runs saw just 2 home runs hit, though they notched a combined 7 runs as first Yogi Berra hit a second inning grand slam that would spell the end of Newcombe's day (cashing in pitcher Don Larsen along with Enos Slaughter and Mickey Mantle) in the top of the second while in the bottom of the second Duke Snider handed Tommy Byrne his blown save by launching a 3-run bomb that cahsed himself, Joe Gilliam, and Pee Wee Reese (all of which were counted as unearned runs) before Byrne managed to strike out Jackie Robinson to end the inning.
In spite of the lack of home runs, Gil Hodges of the Dodgers tied Berra with a game-high 4 RBI and notched the game-winning RBIs with a 4th inning double that brought home Snider and Robinson.
Also just for kicks, 2 pitchers, Don Larsen and Don Bessent both recorded RBIs in the course of the game.
So that brings us to game 3. The scene shifts to Yankee Stadium the very next day, October 6th.
Minor changes featuerd in the lineups for either team. For the Dodgers Sandy Amoros was bumped from LF, with Joe Gilliam moving from 2nd to the outfiled and Charlie Neal taking the vacated spot at second. And on the Yankee side Bill Skowron had already been lifted to start game 2 with Joe Collins taking the 1B spot.
The Yankees also went right back to Whitey Ford on the mound, pitching on 2 days rest, while the Dodgers countered with Roger Craig.
Here's your spoiler-blocked box score for this game in case you want to click it and choose to be spoiled.
And the broadcast itself:
(ignore that the thumbnail and most of the graphics that pop up on the video all say game 4. I'm pretty sure that's game 3. It mentions Whitey Ford starting for the Yankees and he did not pitch at all in the 4th game, which was Carl Erskine (Bkn) vs Tom Sturdivant (NYY)
I have links for the rest of the series and will post the remaining games every day or two over the next week plus.
@Da Cool Rula, @MS, @HockeyThoughts , @the valiant effort, @td_ice, @PanniniClaus, @canucksfan (I'm editing these into the post so I have a feeling nobody's going to get the notification. But I want to do it just to keep things symmetrical with the other similar posts.)
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