2024 preseason (camp, media stuff)

[coooldude]

So based on practice, we're going:

Eklund-Celebrini-Toffoli
Granlund-Smith-Zetterlund
Goodrow-Wennberg-Kunin
Grundstrom-Dellandrea-Kostin

Walman-Ceci
Thrun-Benning
Ferraro-Rutta

While I like loading up the top-6 and using the third line as a hard-minutes matchup line, 1) poor, poor Wennberg, 2) RIP Gushchin , 3) no Sturm?

Man, it's such a logjam.

• I have to believe Sturm continues to be the 4C. So this means one of Grundstrom, Dellandrea, Kostin, (less likely) Goody/Kunin are getting scratched until/unless injury.
• Then we add 1 more roster fwd - G. Smith, and then Vlasic.
• So Cardwell, Gushchin, RIP Bords, Mukh, Thompson, maybe Cagnoni (I'm not up on the AHL roster battles) are in the AHL hoping for callups.
• Off chance that Grier moves one of these logjam fwds for a depth RD or a pick, giving the kids one roster spot sooner til callup.
• Sidenote, up-and-down lineup wingers will be Kostin and Grundstrom; Smith could get demoted to 3C and Wennberg plays 2C or 2W with Granlund at C; no matter what, our 3rd line is actually a good 4th line but a bad 3rd line... unless Kunin and Goodrow surpass expectations. They'll grind hard though.
• D is now a mid-to-weak 2nd pair as the 1st pair, and two third pairs. better than last year but not by much, and thin behind that.

 

[Hodge]

I think Goodrow will surpass expectations. With the exception of last season he has been a consistent 30 point scorer since leaving the Sharks. If Warsofsky gives him consistent 3rd line minutes with a playmaker like Wennberg or Smith he should be able to pot 10 goals and 15-20 assists.

Also Sturm to LA just makes too much sense especially now that they might have some room to add cap through LTIR.

 

[weastern bias]

We gave Wennberg and his beautiful face 10 million dollars, I don't feel even kind of bad for him

 

[Juxtaposer]

Man, it's such a logjam.

• I have to believe Sturm continues to be the 4C. So this means one of Grundstrom, Dellandrea, Kostin, (less likely) Goody/Kunin are getting scratched until/unless injury.
• Then we add 1 more roster fwd - G. Smith, and then Vlasic.
• So Cardwell, Gushchin, RIP Bords, Mukh, Thompson, maybe Cagnoni (I'm not up on the AHL roster battles) are in the AHL hoping for callups.
• Off chance that Grier moves one of these logjam fwds for a depth RD or a pick, giving the kids one roster spot sooner til callup.
• Sidenote, up-and-down lineup wingers will be Kostin and Grundstrom; Smith could get demoted to 3C and Wennberg plays 2C or 2W with Granlund at C; no matter what, our 3rd line is actually a good 4th line but a bad 3rd line... unless Kunin and Goodrow surpass expectations. They'll grind hard though.
• D is now a mid-to-weak 2nd pair as the 1st pair, and two third pairs. better than last year but not by much, and thin behind that.

Based on camp, I have liked Sturm and Grundstrom far more than Dellandrea and Kunin. I just have a hard time seeing Kunin being a regular scratch given that he's got an A on his jersey. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Givanni Smith in the lineup somewhat regularly to "protect" Mack and Will against certain teams. It's just weird how we have like 16 forwards that will presumably start in the NHL. There are six guys who are clear-cut every-nighters (Celebrini, Toffoli, Eklund, Granlund, Zetterlund, and Wennberg), W. Smith who might sit out occasionally but who would be a clear-cut scoring line player when he's in, and then like a gazillion random bottom-sixers who I assume will rotate in and out? I really don't know what to make of the Grundstrom/Goodrow/Kunin/Sturm/Dellandrea/G. Smith/Kostin/etc. group.

I still think Justin Barron is a good target from Montreal. If Laine is out long-term, a Barron-Bordeleau swap makes a lot of sense for both teams. If nothing changes, it wouldn't surprise me to see Jack Thompson start as the #7D until Vlasic and/or Mukhamadullin is healthy enough to play.

At any rate, I'll definitely take the "one bad middle pairing, two solid bottom pairings" setup we have going on this season over the "six #7D and Mario Ferraro" setup from last year.

 

[Jargon]

Gushchin is on Sturm’s line… but with Cardwell. I’d rather he get a chance with Wennberg.

But man I think we’ve got two vets too many.

 

[Sysreq]

I think Goodrow will surpass expectations. With the exception of last season he has been a consistent 30 point scorer since leaving the Sharks. If Warsofsky gives him consistent 3rd line minutes with a playmaker like Wennberg or Smith he should be able to pot 10 goals and 15-20 assists.

Also Sturm to LA just makes too much sense especially now that they might have some room to add cap through LTIR.

I have always been a Goodrow fan, but I am not expecting much from him in terms of production. He is a role player. His job is to build a culture for these young guys, stabilize the PK and make sure no one is head hunting the kids. We aren't aiming for a playoff spot.

Goodrow is gonna do exactly what he needs to do, it's what he has always done. Points are 100% secondary value for what he brings to the team.

 

[fasterthanlight]

Gushchin is on Sturm’s line… but with Cardwell. I’d rather he get a chance with Wennberg.

But man I think we’ve got two vets too many.

Agree. I wonder if Grier did this to make camp more competitive, and then, is going to be willing to make some moves before the TDL to make space for folks who (in my view) deserve a shot, like Goose?

 

[LadyStanley]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1840454129770238211

 

[TheBeard]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1840454129770238211

Even with 4 I wouldn't trust that 4th line in any situations.

 

[Jargon]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1840454129770238211

I’d try

Gushchin - Wennberg - Kostin
Goodrow - Sturm - Dellandrea
Kunin/Gundstrom

That feels the most optimal to me and that third line can actually score. But will they sit Kunin, the best player (in the coach’s hearts) on the team?!

 

[Juxtaposer]

I’d try

Gushchin - Wennberg - Kostin
Goodrow - Sturm - Dellandrea
Kunin/Gundstrom

That feels the most optimal to me and that third line can actually score. But will they sit Kunin, the best player (in the coach’s hearts) on the team?!

Which line is taking defensive matchups in this scenario? Cuz I know it's not one with Gushchin and Kostin on it.

 

[one2gamble]

Which line is taking defensive matchups in this scenario? Cuz I know it's not one with Gushchin and Kostin on it.

Why sorry about it

 

[OrrNumber4]

What about a trade with Toronto; something like Kunin for Liljegren + Kampf?

 

[YUPPY 2 7 10 11]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1840536515211915603

 

[Jargon]

Which line is taking defensive matchups in this scenario? Cuz I know it's not one with Gushchin and Kostin on it.

Fair point, the 4th, I guess…

I am folding myself into a pretzel to get Goosh on the team but it’s fairly obvious that he likely won’t be.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Fair point, the 4th, I guess…

I am folding myself into a pretzel to get Goosh on the team but it’s fairly obvious that he likely won’t be.

Yeah, I totally get trying to find a spot for him, I want that too.

 

[coooldude]

Yeah, I totally get trying to find a spot for him, I want that too.

And my axe!

But seriously, I expect we'll see him in the show pretty soon after the first injuries.

 

[Alaskanice]

Fair point, the 4th, I guess…

I am folding myself into a pretzel to get Goosh on the team but it’s fairly obvious that he likely won’t be.

He survived second round of cuts.

 

[OrrNumber4]

At this point, Gushchin had earned the right to be on the opening roster. If he didn't make the team, I'd start to question Grier's philosophy and objectivity.

 

[Jargon]

He survived second round of cuts.

Yeah, but we have so many bottom 6 NHL guys, I don’t see room for Goosh. He’d best fit in the top 6 but he isn’t better than Celebrini, Granlund, Zetterlund, Eklund, Toffoli or Smith. He’d be good on a scoring 3rd line but then we don’t really have anyone to take defensive matchups as Jux said, unless we really just throw Celebrini into the fire.

We’ll see - I hope Gushchin makes it impossible for them to send him down.

At this point, Gushchin had earned the right to be on the opening roster. If he didn't make the team, I'd start to question Grier's philosophy and objectivity.

I think it becomes about team make-up. If they want to make a scoring 3rd line, maybe, but he doesn’t necessarily have a spot in the top 6 and I’m not sure he’s exactly a 3rd line player? But maybe if it’s like him, Wennberg and Kunin/Goodrow or something.

 

[OrrNumber4]

I think it becomes about team make-up. If they want to make a scoring 3rd line, maybe, but he doesn’t necessarily have a spot in the top 6 and I’m not sure he’s exactly a 3rd line player? But maybe if it’s like him, Wennberg and Kunin/Goodrow or something.

If that's the case, the move him. He shouldn't be in the AHL.

 

[TheBeard]

If that's the case, the move him. He shouldn't be in the AHL.

If only he was a RW

 

[Hodge]

At this point, Gushchin had earned the right to be on the opening roster. If he didn't make the team, I'd start to question Grier's philosophy and objectivity.

Why? Just because he scored in some preseason games? Who cares?

 

[tiburon12]

Why? Just because he scored in some preseason games? Who cares?

Where else are we supposed to judge a players ability?

 

[Hodge]

Where else are we supposed to judge a players ability?

In a salary cap league, roster decisions are made as contracts are signed unless somebody on a one-way really underperforms. The point of preseason games is mainly to gouge season ticket holders.