It wouldn't bother me if they draft a QB or sign a vet and also bring Mac back. If Mac performs the best throw him out there. I say that because ultimately I don't think he's the long-term answer but his trade value is at an all time low right now.
Patriots/NFL 2024 Playoffs Part 2: Pats have 3rd pick. Mayo new HC. Where does Belichick land? Bill O'Brien to leave Patriots for Ohio State OC job
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With more articles coming out about the dysfunction of the team, mishandling of Mac, I'm not surprised he completely crashed and burned this year. From watching a very confident rookie with good footwork and accuracy to whatever the f*** this year was, I can't say it was all on Mac. It definitely was a combination of a lot of things.
I don't see them keeping him. I think he'll go somewhere else and succeed. As we saw this year that backups are very important. Drew Lock. Mason Rudolph. Jake Browning, etc all got opportunities.
Heck Baker f***ing Mayfield left the dysfunction of the Browns and seems to be doing well for himself now.
Trade Mac for whatever you can get and do a full rebuild. It's going to take a few years but it has to be done, imo
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My point is that Mac didn't just have a bad year, at times he looked like he literally couldn't play at all. Genuinely some of the worst quarterback play I have ever seen. It wasn't just bad decisions or bad play, it was inexplicable, stupid, nonsense plays. And physically it was awful, too. How often do you see guys throw off their wrong foot, but somehow they're doing so by throwing from their front foot. I'm not sure I ever saw passes as bad as some of his.
Mac Jones was an abomination this year, but it's not like he wasn't in the same situation countless other QBs have found themselves in over the years.
(Also, he didnt play well at the end of his rookie season. His poor play goes back to his time with McDaniels.)
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never heard that Bill broke a QB before Mac. Brady and Jimmy went to superbowls. Brissette found work, Hoyer too, Zappe likes Bill. I think Mac considers himself his own brand and that didnt work with Bill. Unfortunately Macs arm will never be NFL level so he'll never be that good
It was really just the fact that he was referencing Kraft's answer right before him...like bam!
EverettMike
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I also think Mac's a big f***ing baby, something that isn't discussed enough by the media. (I know that sounds funny, but I mean it. I think he has an entitled attitude and it has really hurt him.)
Played well enough to break records though. For a rookie, he showed promise. Even with struggles because that's what rookies do. He showed promise and then the next 2 years where WTF from this organization and he regressed. I saw it from Josh Allen his first few years too.
Not saying Mac is Allen but you get what I'm saying. All in all, I think a fresh start is what's needed for both the player abd the team.
I think it gives insight into their dynamic. It also shows that Mayo isn't going to change who he is just because he's the coach.
I was bemused that Jonathan was nowhere to be seen
“He really is running all the Kraft Group companies and something has come up today that was really important. He’s like an equal partner to me in the running over the operation strategically, not involved in the day to day operations, helping me on an overall basis in the ownership position.”
Where’s Jonathan? — 12:30 p.m.
Ben Volin asked Robert Kraft what role his son Jonathan might play.“He really is running all the Kraft Group companies and something has come up today that was really important. He’s like an equal partner to me in the running over the operation strategically, not involved in the day to day operations, helping me on an overall basis in the ownership position.”
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EverettMike
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Do you mean Patriots rookie records? Cause if so he broke Jim plunkett records from '71. No comparing passing stats from 2022 to back then. Means nothing.
He was asked to manage games, he did against terrible opponents, then couldn't do anything straight his competition.
Promising rookie season, yes, but not exactly anything special for a guy drafted 15th.
I also think you're dramatically exaggerating how bad things were the last two years (not saying they're weren't bad, FYI). If he personally played better their record is much better both seasons.
Compare Mac to Cam Newton. Cam was throwing to Jakobi Meyers, N'Keal Harry, Damiere Byrd, Gunner Olszewski, Donte Moncrief, Devin Asiasi, Dalton Keene, Ryan Izzo and Julian Edelman for 6 games. You didn't see Cam throwing tantrums like Mac did, you didn't see factions in the locker room wanting Stidham or Hoyer to start like there's been with Zappe. None of that happened because Cam is a leader, while Mac comes across like a privileged rich kid. That doesn't make him a bad guy but being the leader of an nfl team isn't for people like that.
Also Mac had a solid rookie year but it's telling about how his season was viewed nationally when he didn't win offensive rookie of the year. Since 2000 the only qbs to start every week of their rookie season, receive votes for the award and not win it were Baker Mayfield, Jameis Winston and David Carr. None of those guys lasted more than 5 seasons for the team that drafted them.
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The thing everyone has forgotten is how Cam Newton actually overperformed expectations. He had a pretty bad arm but was still a dual threat. If he and Gilmore don't get COVID they probably make the playoffs that year.
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Mac seem to put most of his effort into having the owners ear than beinga good team mate
I can't help but think Dunder Mifflin when I hear the Kraft Paper company. Jonathan Kraft is just a regular Michael Scott. Or is he Dwight?
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things are getting to get really interesting when this team, but I’m not sure it’s going to be in a good way.
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I have one dealbreaker when it comes to QBs and that's 'deer in the headlights' eyes. The worst I've ever seen in a QB prospect are Mitch Trubisky and Kellen Mond. It was the sign that they had zero chance of NFL success. I don't know exactly when Mac developed them, but once you have 'deer in the headlights' eyes, there's no coming back. It's over.
Police: Irsay found unresponsive at home in Dec.
Colts owner Jim Irsay was found unresponsive and struggling to breathe before being transported to a hospital by paramedics last month, according to a police report.
I will probably get scolded for saying this but this guy is another disgraceful owner (maybe I just can't shake his white billionaire comments)
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It's become incredibly clear in the last year, if not longer, that the Krafts really have no idea what made them the most successful sports franchise for 20 years.
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