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Barrie22 said:
So if all of the universes align next year and we get top 5 picks from vegas and pens ontop of our own.

Will that count as 2 draft lottery wins if the pick is from another team?
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This is apart of @Cas quote from earlier: "For purposes of clarity, the limitation would attach to the team, not the specific pick".

So I think that means even if we have PITs 2025 pick next year and it won us a lottery, but our own 2025 1st didn't...that would still count as one of our wins. Doesn't necessarily matter who the original owner of the pick is.

Side note: Ffs the NHL just needs to hire some guy to dumb down all the specifics of rules so we can understand.
 
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Barrie22 said:
So if all of the universes align next year and we get top 5 picks from vegas and pens ontop of our own.

Will that count as 2 draft lottery wins if the pick is from another team?
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I honestly don't think this question has an answer to point at yet. Like Vegas' pick is still Vegas' pick even though we own it. I think there's an argument both ways on it and I suspect that if we own it and win it and move up that the league would think it counts but they don't lay out specifically a situation like this and provide an answer.
 
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hohosaregood said:
It'd be cool if we could drag in some Warriors players to come announce the pick if we get 1OA. Like huge pipe dream but imagine Steph Curry announcing an NHL pick lol.
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Considering Macklin's dad is the Warrior's Head of Sports Medicine, I think that could happen.
 
Stewie Griffin said:
This is apart of @Cas quote from earlier: "For purposes of clarity, the limitation would attach to the team, not the specific pick".

So I think that means even if we have PITs 2025 pick next year and it won us a lottery, but our own 2025 1st didn't...that would still count as one of our wins. Doesn't necessarily matter who the original owner of the pick is.

Side note: Ffs the NHL just needs to hire some guy to dumb down all the specifics of rules so we can understand.
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These are all great questions in theory but the likelihood of the only 2 in 5 year rule being implemented is very slim. It would require a at best 15% outcome occurring 3 out of 5 opportunities which is less than 1%.

Stranger things have happened in sports but it is unlikely any team will have to forfeit their chance to move up in the lottery.
 
PattyLafontaine said:
If you finish last and you get the #1 pick it does not count against the 2 in 5 year rule. This is an inarguable fact.

It's literally a literacy test that you either pass or fail.
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It's literally on the NHL website

"The 2022 NHL Draft Lottery marked the first year for the implementation of a limit on how many times a team can win a lottery draw. No single team can advance in the draft order by reason of winning a Lottery Draw more than two times in any five-year period."
 
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Okay, but what happens if a team has reached the limit and then trades their lottery eligible pick to another team… after they win the lottery? Perhaps it is covered elsewhere in the lottery rules, but the reports referenced in this thread make no mention. I suspect that the draft order is frozen post lottery drawing. But, in pondering, it would be hilarious if it wasn’t… consider this mayhem:

- For the sake of the example consider Team A to have previously moved up draft positions, within the limitations window, due to winning the lottery.
- Team A still sucks, still a lottery team, finishing 10th worst. However, due to previous lottery advancements, they are no longer eligible to advance due to a lottery win…
- But the still win the lottery again! They are the luckiest unlucky team to have ever lucked!
- Could they then trade their pick to another team and it’s magically the #1 pick for the receiving team? How would that pick be valued in a trade? Is it a #1 overall? 10th? Some irrational number?
- Say it is a Willy Wonka magical transforming draft pick, and draft day arrives and Team A waits until they’re on the clock…
- They then trade the pick to the 11th team (Team B), turning the pick to a #1 overall for Team B. Would this rewind the clock, much like a goal overturned from an offside review? Team B now gets to make the #1 selection as if the draft hadn’t yet started, resuming after Team B has selected the consensus top prospect. The team that was previously in the #1 slot now picks, having been stripped of their sure-fire generational talent. Time returns to its normal flow from there; but now everyone has shown their hand and it becomes some wicked version of NHL draft white elephant.
- Team A just cackles in malevolence while the entire league and media explodes into mayhem and confusion.

Please tell me this can happen.
 
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Pinkfloyd said:
Let's say we lose out on Celebrini to Chicago and the Pens elect to keep their top ten protected pick this year. If we're at two or three, do we try to trade back with a team that has two 1st rounders? Right now, that'd be teams like Anaheim (3+23), Ottawa (5+32), Montreal (7+28), Calgary (12+29), and Philadelphia (18+30).
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I didn't see anyone answering this.

I wouldn't trade back. This draft falls off after 20 or so, and 20-60 is all pretty equal, so the argument would be one extra lottery ticket in that tier. But I'd rather have the option to draft anyone that my pro scouting team gets conviction around, than have one extra shot at the "second round" tier this year, while also losing 2-10 spots in the draft and being a prospect taker of whoever is left.
 
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jMoneyBrah said:
Okay, but what happens if a team has reached the limit and then trades their lottery eligible pick to another team… after they win the lottery? Perhaps it is covered elsewhere in the lottery rules, but the reports referenced in this thread make no mention. I suspect that the draft order is frozen post lottery drawing. But, in pondering, it would be hilarious if it wasn’t… consider this mayhem:

- For the sake of the example consider Team A to have previously moved up draft positions, within the limitations window, due to winning the lottery.
- Team A still sucks, still a lottery team, finishing 10th worst. However, due to previous lottery advancements, they are no longer eligible to advance due to a lottery win…
- But the still win the lottery again! They are the luckiest unlucky team to have ever lucked!
- Could they then trade their pick to another team and it’s magically the #1 pick for the receiving team? How would that pick be valued in a trade? Is it a #1 overall? 10th? Some irrational number?
- Say it is a Willy Wonka magical transforming draft pick, and draft day arrives and Team A waits until they’re on the clock…
- They then trade the pick to the 11th team (Team B), turning the pick to a #1 overall for Team B. Would this rewind the clock, much like a goal overturned from an offside review? Team B now gets to make the #1 selection as if the draft hadn’t yet started, resuming after Team B has selected the consensus top prospect. The team that was previously in the #1 slot now picks, having been stripped of their sure-fire generational talent. Time returns to its normal flow from there; but now everyone has shown their hand and it becomes some wicked version of NHL draft white elephant.
- Team A just cackles in malevolence while the entire league and media explodes into mayhem and confusion.

Please tell me this can happen.
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you're a developer, right? this screams "edge case testing" lolol
 
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coooldude said:
I didn't see anyone answering this.

I wouldn't trade back. This draft falls off after 20 or so, and 20-60 is all pretty equal, so the argument would be one extra lottery ticket in that tier. But I'd rather have the option to draft anyone that my pro scouting team gets conviction around, than have one extra shot at the "second round" tier this year, while also losing 2-10 spots in the draft and being a prospect taker of whoever is left.
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I think this is fair but one option available to you if you're convinced of this as a draft is to take the trade down afforded by this scenario then use the extra 1st with one of our 2nd round picks to move into that area.
 
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jMoneyBrah said:
Okay, but what happens if a team has reached the limit and then trades their lottery eligible pick to another team… after they win the lottery? Perhaps it is covered elsewhere in the lottery rules, but the reports referenced in this thread make no mention. I suspect that the draft order is frozen post lottery drawing. But, in pondering, it would be hilarious if it wasn’t… consider this mayhem:

- For the sake of the example consider Team A to have previously moved up draft positions, within the limitations window, due to winning the lottery.
- Team A still sucks, still a lottery team, finishing 10th worst. However, due to previous lottery advancements, they are no longer eligible to advance due to a lottery win…
- But the still win the lottery again! They are the luckiest unlucky team to have ever lucked!
- Could they then trade their pick to another team and it’s magically the #1 pick for the receiving team? How would that pick be valued in a trade? Is it a #1 overall? 10th? Some irrational number?
- Say it is a Willy Wonka magical transforming draft pick, and draft day arrives and Team A waits until they’re on the clock…
- They then trade the pick to the 11th team (Team B), turning the pick to a #1 overall for Team B. Would this rewind the clock, much like a goal overturned from an offside review? Team B now gets to make the #1 selection as if the draft hadn’t yet started, resuming after Team B has selected the consensus top prospect. The team that was previously in the #1 slot now picks, having been stripped of their sure-fire generational talent. Time returns to its normal flow from there; but now everyone has shown their hand and it becomes some wicked version of NHL draft white elephant.
- Team A just cackles in malevolence while the entire league and media explodes into mayhem and confusion.

Please tell me this can happen.
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tiburon12 said:
you're a developer, right? this screams "edge case testing" lolol
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#behaviorundefined
#knownlimitation
#shipit
#throwitonthebacklogandfixitlater
#getshitdone
#emphasisshit
 
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