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TheWayToRefJose said:
I am aware. Valued it the same as our 2024 2nd as it’s a year later and likely just a few picks ahead.
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With the cap issues Vegas is going to be in, i would not be surprised one bit if that pick ends up being top 10.

Vegas really has to do some cap magic next year from the start of the season right on through the season if they want a chance to be good again.
 
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If the pens keep imploding, then I'm a lot more on edge about our high pick. No chance to catch a falling player after 10. Reading the tea leaves, and taking Grier's mantra of "faster, bigger , hard to play against," I think unless something drastic changes that Grier's priority list at 2-4 will be, in this order, Lindstrom, Levshunov, Dickinson. After that, Demidov, Yakemchuk, Buium.

Playoffs ahead, Lindstrom recovery ahead, and need to see what happens with the Pens pick, but if we only get one high pick I think he might tend to use it on the big, fast, high skill center. The D could all be good but they could also just be solid top 4 guys. Lindstrom's upside for a team and immediate projectability may win out.

I think we wouldn't take Eiserman even over Iggy at this point. That's for some other team. Same with Silayev.
 
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coooldude said:
If the pens keep imploding, then I'm a lot more on edge about our high pick. No chance to catch a falling player after 10. Reading the tea leaves, and taking Grier's mantra of "faster, bigger , hard to play against," I think unless something drastic changes that Grier's priority list at 2-4 will be, in this order, Lindstrom, Levshunov, Dickinson. After that, Demidov, Yakemchuk, Buium.

Playoffs ahead, Lindstrom recovery ahead, and need to see what happens with the Pens pick, but if we only get one high pick I think he might tend to use it on the big, fast, high skill center. The D could all be good but they could also just be solid top 4 guys. Lindstrom's upside for a team and immediate projectability may win out.

I think we wouldn't take Eiserman even over Iggy at this point. That's for some other team. Same with Silayev.
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I don't think that's his mentality with top 5 picks. Generally, that means supporting players so he still wouldn't pick guys like Mateychuk or Nazar in the lottery.
 
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Zarzh said:
I don't think that's his mentality with top 5 picks. Generally, that means supporting players so he still wouldn't pick guys like Mateychuk or Nazar in the lottery.
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Who do you think is on his list, then? Of the ones I didn't mention:
Eiserman is too 1-dimensional and certainly not fast, big, or hard to play against. Catton is fast but small and is the same kind of prospect as Eklund or Smith in many ways. Silayev may be in his target, but the 3 year contract is a big question and our Russian scout earlier in the year was on record saying he should be more of a 10-15 guy not a top 5 guy. Parekh is super exciting but also super risky downside, isn't hard to play against, and isn't as fast as Dickinson. Buium could be the guy, but hard to argue him over Levshunov and Dickinson or even Silayev. He's elusive and fast, friends with Smith, but his points totals may be a product of his team and system.

The list I mentioned is all possible very high upside players, all big, all fast, and all at least sometimes hard to play against. Demidov is the outlier but it's clear he's trying to come to the NHL and Hasso "likes Russian wingers."
 
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coooldude said:
Who do you think is on his list, then? Of the ones I didn't mention:
Eiserman is too 1-dimensional and certainly not fast, big, or hard to play against. Catton is fast but small and is the same kind of prospect as Eklund or Smith in many ways. Silayev may be in his target, but the 3 year contract is a big question and our Russian scout earlier in the year was on record saying he should be more of a 10-15 guy not a top 5 guy. Parekh is super exciting but also super risky downside, isn't hard to play against, and isn't as fast as Dickinson. Buium could be the guy, but hard to argue him over Levshunov and Dickinson or even Silayev. He's elusive and fast, friends with Smith, but his points totals may be a product of his team and system.

The list I mentioned is all possible very high upside players, all big, all fast, and all at least sometimes hard to play against. Demidov is the outlier but it's clear he's trying to come to the NHL and Hasso "likes Russian wingers."
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Demidov as 2nd by a wide margin, followed by whichever of Silayev or Levshunov they prefer, maybe include Dickinson in that conversation too.

I doubt he's that high on Lindstrom unless he comes back much improved from injury, or see something that sells them on rapid development. He likes big, complete players a lot and Lindstrom lacks defense and playmaking.
 
Zarzh said:
Demidov as 2nd by a wide margin, followed by whichever of Silayev or Levshunov they prefer, maybe include Dickinson in that conversation too.

I doubt he's that high on Lindstrom unless he comes back much improved from injury, or see something that sells them on rapid development. He likes big, complete players a lot and Lindstrom lacks defense and playmaking.
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I'm not sure where you're getting that from on Lindstrom. He's developing quickly into a complete C after shifting from wing only this past year. He's developing a playmaking game and his team is struggling without him, showing how much of a complete package he is. I think he was getting a lot of credit for significant investment in the defensive side before his injury.

I think Demidov is 2nd in skill by a wide margin but I'm not sure that Grier sees a 5'11" all skill dynamic winger, who kind of profiles like Smith to be honest, and has only torn it up in the MHL which who knows how similar or worse it is to the WHL/OHL... as his #2.

I agree with you that it depends on how the Sharks' scouting team specifically likes each player. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) to see any of Demidov, Lindstrom, Levshunov, Silayev, or Dickinson picked at 2-4OA. I just guess Grier's order of Lindstrom, Levshunov, Dickinson, Demidov, Silayev, and I think Yakemchuk might be above Silayev given what the Sharks scout said. Outside shot, as I said, at Buium, but more likely they are hoping he falls to the PIT pick if we have it.
 
If the Penguins finish in the bottom 10, I do not envy them in their choice of which 1st to give up. On one hand, you don’t want to miss out on a good player now (or a trade for a player that can help), on the other, all your stars are a year older next year and there’s a real chance they totally fall apart and get an even better pick next year. It’s a tough choice.
 
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Height 5.10 -- Weight 180


And it takes patience to watch them develop

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coooldude said:
Who do you think is on his list, then? Of the ones I didn't mention:
Eiserman is too 1-dimensional and certainly not fast, big, or hard to play against. Catton is fast but small and is the same kind of prospect as Eklund or Smith in many ways. Silayev may be in his target, but the 3 year contract is a big question and our Russian scout earlier in the year was on record saying he should be more of a 10-15 guy not a top 5 guy. Parekh is super exciting but also super risky downside, isn't hard to play against, and isn't as fast as Dickinson. Buium could be the guy, but hard to argue him over Levshunov and Dickinson or even Silayev. He's elusive and fast, friends with Smith, but his points totals may be a product of his team and system.

The list I mentioned is all possible very high upside players, all big, all fast, and all at least sometimes hard to play against. Demidov is the outlier but it's clear he's trying to come to the NHL and Hasso "likes Russian wingers."
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As much as I would hope we'd take Ivan Demidov at #2, I could definitely see Grier salivating at the prospect of adding 6'5 demigod Cayden Lindstrom with quick hands, nifty passing, physicality and big boy Logan Cooley esque skating to his budding crop of monsters

6'2 Quentin Musty
6'4 Filip Bystedt
6'3 David Edstrom
6'2 Cam Lund
6'3 Kasper Halttunen
6'3 Brandon Svoboda


Artyom Levshunov is also a physical anomaly and will probably blow up the combine.
 
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Hot take looking at the circumstances: If we somehow get that Pittsburgh pick this year with it being in the top 10 and we don't win the lottery I would not be totally mad with drafting two defencemen in the top 10. I mean looking at the big picture we need everything, but we need potential defencemen more. The timeline would be perfect for drafting defencemen this year, and I think next year we have a chance to draft a forward that is closer to playing in the NHL rather than defencemen.

If we don't get that Pittsburgh pick this year and don't win the lottery, than I think it's more open to get the BPA. Hopefully we don't have to worry about that and get Celebrini to lock up the 1C spot finally.
 
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I would be more comfortable if Sharks could get the pick this year, don't risk it for next year.
It's very tempting to have a unprotected pick next year, but I feel like it would be so Sharks that Pittsburgh become a bubble playoff team next year.
 

Macklin Celebrini to Pittsburgh thread.

I have us at 4-5 more wins the rest of the season (guaranteed ones) which could easily be zero. Losing Jake will deflate this team. My true purpose of creating this thread is if we did get Celebrini would the Pens brass finally say F off to Sullivan “we now have a chance” or will we continue...
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Pens officially have a thread debating this year or next years pick. It'll be fun to follow their frustration.
 
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Stewie Griffin said:
If the PIT pick is in the top 10...we're not getting it. Teams do not ever admit they will be worse, especially with someone like Sidney Crosby on your roster. They'll draft a good prospect and aim to improve. Whether that happens or not will be exciting for us, but we'll only get the pick if its 11 or later.
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absolutely. If they pick in the top 10 but not 1, that picks getting moved for immediate help. Crosby and co dont care about a guy 2-3 years away when they'll be retired
 
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PacificOceanPotion said:
I’m trying to understand how this works. So they can choose to keep their pick, even if it’s #12? Or vice versa they can give it to us If it’s #8? Sorry, I know you guys have kinda been talking about it but I’d like a more succinct explanation.
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If it’s 1-10 they can keep it or give it to us. Up to them. If it’s 11+ then it goes to us.
 
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