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I love Catton and think he’s a top 5 talent in the draft. That said I think I’d still take Lindstrom, Silayev, Levshunov over him in addition to Celebrini. His size worries me. I don’t think he’s a C at the NHL level because of that size. Now obviously players smaller than him have had successful NHL careers but still.

If he’s there at like 10 or so, I’d be all for trading PIT’s 1st and our 2nd to trade up for him though. Speaking of trading up, with this draft having the steep depth drop off, I’d honestly be okay packaging PIT 1st, our 2nd, and NJD 2nd and seeing how high we can get. I’d have to imagine that gets us around 7.

I hear that. I also don't have much knowledge on Silayev (or Demidov) tbh. What Levshunov is doing as a freshman at MSU is quite unheard of and even more-so considering he was in Belarus playing youth hockey two years ago. His developmental curve is so exponentially intriguing.

I just personally don't think you can afford to get cute with your premium picks, we need hits. I see a superstar 1C when I see Catton. He's been clocking at 2PPG since November and is having maybe the second best DY WHL season since Bedard. I don't think you can pass on that unless it's for Celebrini. But it's still early and I'm flip flopping a lot.
 

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I hear that. I also don't have much knowledge on Silayev (or Demidov) tbh. What Levshunov is doing as a freshman at MSU is quite unheard of and even more-so considering he was in Belarus playing youth hockey two years ago. His developmental curve is so exponentially intriguing.

I just personally don't think you can afford to get cute with your premium picks, we need hits. I see a superstar 1C when I see Catton. He's been clocking at 2PPG since November and is having maybe the second best DY WHL season since Bedard. I don't think you can pass on that unless it's for Celebrini. But it's still early and I'm flip flopping a lot.
Ah yeah see I see him as more of a Zuccarello level winger which is still a VERY good result but I’d prefer to take that chance on a 1D or 1C.
 
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I hear that. I also don't have much knowledge on Silayev (or Demidov) tbh. What Levshunov is doing as a freshman at MSU is quite unheard of and even more-so considering he was in Belarus playing youth hockey two years ago. His developmental curve is so exponentially intriguing.

I just personally don't think you can afford to get cute with your premium picks, we need hits. I see a superstar 1C when I see Catton. He's been clocking at 2PPG since November and is having maybe the second best DY WHL season since Bedard. I don't think you can pass on that unless it's for Celebrini. But it's still early and I'm flip flopping a lot.
"Can't afford to get cute" is why I think we can't pick Catton until maybe 5 at absolute earliest. You've got Silayev, Dickinson, Levshunov, Parekh, Buium, Yakemchuk all also having amazing seasons. You've got Demidov who, if not Russian, would be in the conversation for 1OA, and has fewer scary questions than Michkov (shorter contract) albeit also not quite as good. You've got Lindstrom who might not be a franchise 1C but even if he doesn't hit might end up a top line winger who would be hard to play against. To me, specifically for the Sharks, Catton can maybe be considered around pick 7. I could see someone arguing to take him as the 2nd forward off the board given the Russia concerns with Demidov and the "play driver" concerns with Lindstrom. But passing up one of the top 3-5 D men is the "don't get cute" move in my opinion.
 
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"Can't afford to get cute" is why I think we can't pick Catton until maybe 5 at absolute earliest. You've got Silayev, Dickinson, Levshunov, Parekh, Buium, Yakemchuk all also having amazing seasons. You've got Demidov who, if not Russian, would be in the conversation for 1OA, and has fewer scary questions than Michkov (shorter contract) albeit also not quite as good. You've got Lindstrom who might not be a franchise 1C but even if he doesn't hit might end up a top line winger who would be hard to play against. To me, specifically for the Sharks, Catton can maybe be considered around pick 7. I could see someone arguing to take him as the 2nd forward off the board given the Russia concerns with Demidov and the "play driver" concerns with Lindstrom. But passing up one of the top 3-5 D men is the "don't get cute" move in my opinion.

Cute meaning, 'we need d prospects we have a lot of f prospects let's draft two d to round it out'. Which I've seen purported here a little bit. I don't think that's wrong, but that's personally just not my philosophy at the top of the draft and especially when you're picking in the top five (me saying this as if i'm a scout lol).

But you to have understand my POV considering this is coming from someone that rates Catton so extremely highly. I see Marner. Does it all, ES PK PP, line driver, elite production, skating and just has that superstars confidence/swag/aura on the ice.

I just wish that there wasn't such a similar physical and position overlap to the two top players we've drafted in recent years.

For that reason then I understand leaning towards Lindstrom or one of those top defenseman for squad harmony aspects.

In reality they're probably all in/around the same tier and we'll get a really good player regardless.
 

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"Can't afford to get cute" is why I think we can't pick Catton until maybe 5 at absolute earliest. You've got Silayev, Dickinson, Levshunov, Parekh, Buium, Yakemchuk all also having amazing seasons. You've got Demidov who, if not Russian, would be in the conversation for 1OA, and has fewer scary questions than Michkov (shorter contract) albeit also not quite as good. You've got Lindstrom who might not be a franchise 1C but even if he doesn't hit might end up a top line winger who would be hard to play against. To me, specifically for the Sharks, Catton can maybe be considered around pick 7. I could see someone arguing to take him as the 2nd forward off the board given the Russia concerns with Demidov and the "play driver" concerns with Lindstrom. But passing up one of the top 3-5 D men is the "don't get cute" move in my opinion.
I’d have Catton over all of those D except Levshunov and Silayev.
Cute meaning, 'we need d prospects we have a lot of f prospects let's draft two d to round it out'. Which I've seen purported here a little bit. I don't think that's wrong, but that's personally just not my philosophy at the top of the draft and especially when you're picking in the top five (me saying this as if i'm a scout lol).

But you to have understand my POV considering this is coming from someone that rates Catton so extremely highly. I see Marner. Does it all, ES PK PP, line driver, elite production, skating and just has that superstars confidence/swag/aura on the ice.

I just wish that there wasn't such a similar physical and position overlap to the two top players we've drafted in recent years.

For that reason then I understand leaning towards Lindstrom or one of those top defenseman for squad harmony aspects.

In reality they're probably all in/around the same tier and we'll get a really good player regardless.
I think drafting by positional need/player profile in general is pretty flawed. I don’t think you should go into the draft and say we need a D let’s reach for one. Like let’s say Levshunov is the Sharks guy at 2. If a guy like Parekh falls to PIT’s pick I take him because I have him as a top 8ish player but ranked around 12.
 
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Cute meaning, 'we need d prospects we have a lot of f prospects let's draft two d to round it out'. Which I've seen purported here a little bit. I don't think that's wrong, but that's personally just not my philosophy at the top of the draft and especially when you're picking in the top five (me saying this as if i'm a scout lol).

But you to have understand my POV considering this is coming from someone that rates Catton so extremely highly. I see Marner. Does it all, ES PK PP, line driver, elite production, skating and just has that superstars confidence/swag/aura on the ice.

I just wish that there wasn't such a similar physical and position overlap to the two top players we've drafted in recent years.

For that reason then I understand leaning towards Lindstrom or one of those top defenseman for squad harmony aspects.

In reality they're probably all in/around the same tier and we'll get a really good player regardless.
For sure, if you rate Catton that highly, it's just that I'm seeing it like your last sentence. All of these D might likely have gone before Reinbacher last year. They're all extremely good, but just short of generational Pronger types. There's an argument that by June one, two, or three of them might have gone before Smith.

Marner is amazing, but we need our Tavares/Matthews (or the top D that Toronto doesn't really have). Celebrini may be Tavares, and the D crop may all be as good or better than Morgan Reilly. Unfortunately nobody in this draft is Matthews.

I’d have Catton over all of those D except Levshunov and Silayev.
You might, and lots of HFboards people seem to agree, but the NHL scouts don't seem to. Possibly underrating Dickinson and Yakemchuk, let alone Parekh and Buium. Possibly Lev is overrated by us amateurs. We'll see in June.
 

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For sure, if you rate Catton that highly, it's just that I'm seeing it like your last sentence. All of these D might likely have gone before Reinbacher last year. They're all extremely good, but just short of generational Pronger types. There's an argument that by June one, two, or three of them might have gone before Smith.

Marner is amazing, but we need our Tavares/Matthews (or the top D that Toronto doesn't really have). Celebrini may be Tavares, and the D crop may all be as good or better than Morgan Reilly. Unfortunately nobody in this draft is Matthews.


You might, and lots of HFboards people seem to agree, but the NHL scouts don't seem to. Possibly underrating Dickinson and Yakemchuk, let alone Parekh and Buium. Possibly Lev is overrated by us amateurs. We'll see in June.
I mean I haven’t really looked at HFBoards rankings for the most part. These are my own rankings. Not a fan of Buium really at all. Dickinson I don’t see the high end potential with. Parekh and Yakemchuk both have more risk than Catton. I probably wouldn’t take Catton with our pick but if he’s there past 5, he instantly becomes a steal.
 
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I mean I haven’t really looked at HFBoards rankings for the most part. These are my own rankings. Not a fan of Buium really at all. Dickinson I don’t see the high end potential with. Parekh and Yakemchuk both have more risk than Catton. I probably wouldn’t take Catton with our pick but if he’s there past 5, he instantly becomes a steal.

What's your gripe with Dickinson? 51 in 51, a June birthday (still 17). 6'3 all situations defender. PK/PP.

Hanifin-esque but with a mean streak he sounds like.

 
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What's your gripe with Dickinson? 51 in 51, a June birthday (still 17). 6'3 all situations defender. PK/PP.

Hanifin-esque but with a mean streak he sounds like.


I just don’t see the high end potential. I’m a big ceiling guy and I see Dickinson as like a good 2 but not a number 1 D. I think Parekh, Silayev, and Levshunov are the 3 defensemen in this draft that have top pair potential. Dickinson is still in my top 10 but I have Celebrini, Silayev, Levshunov, Catton, Lindstrom, Demidov all definitely above him and then next 4 for me are Dickinson, Parekh, Eiserman, Connelly which could be argued in any order for me but are probably the order I listed.
 

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I just don’t see the high end potential. I’m a big ceiling guy and I see Dickinson as like a good 2 but not a number 1 D. I think Parekh, Silayev, and Levshunov are the 3 defensemen in this draft that have top pair potential. Dickinson is still in my top 10 but I have Celebrini, Silayev, Levshunov, Catton, Lindstrom, Demidov all definitely above him and then next 4 for me are Dickinson, Parekh, Eiserman, Connelly which could be argued in any order for me but are probably the order I listed.

Eiserman fall off needs to be studied. I'm curious if he's still rated higher internally amongst the league than in mocks because he's tumbling hard.

He's so prolific at putting the puck in the net, it's a shame because when you put the film on, it's Hagens who steals the show.
 
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I just don’t see the high end potential. I’m a big ceiling guy and I see Dickinson as like a good 2 but not a number 1 D. I think Parekh, Silayev, and Levshunov are the 3 defensemen in this draft that have top pair potential. Dickinson is still in my top 10 but I have Celebrini, Silayev, Levshunov, Catton, Lindstrom, Demidov all definitely above him and then next 4 for me are Dickinson, Parekh, Eiserman, Connelly which could be argued in any order for me but are probably the order I listed.
Dickinson and Yakemchuk both seem to have ceilings as #1D. Dickinson's ceiling is a Pietrangelo type. Yakemchuk is a RD with a mean streak and offense, and it seems he's only being discounted because he's on the older end. Neither of them are guaranteed but then again neither are Parekh, Levshunov, or Silayev to be a #1D. Levshunov for his hockey sense, Silayev for his lack of offense, and Parekh for his questionable defense.

It's reasonable of course to have your list and your ranking, not saying you're wrong, just saying that there is a lot of discussion on each of these prospect pages that makes this year pretty muddled after Celebrini. And especially with the D there's a lot of arguments for why each of them should be 2-4 OR 10-15.
 

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I know the sharks have more depth at LHD than RHD throughout the org but it’s so intriguing to think about having 6’7” Silayev and 6’5” Mukhamadullin each playing 20+ mins a night on the top two pairs. Both guys are very mobile for their size as well. That would be so scary to go up against lol.
 

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What's your gripe with Dickinson? 51 in 51, a June birthday (still 17). 6'3 all situations defender. PK/PP.

Hanifin-esque but with a mean streak he sounds like.


My gripe is that he plays on a stacked team in an elite system and he’s just good. Not great. He’s arguably only the fourth best defenseman on his own CHL team. His offense is nothing special, he has the scoring totals he has because he plays lots of primo minutes on a very good team.

With that said, I still would take him 4th overall. I think he’s basically a guaranteed middle-pairing defenseman at worst, with a solid chance at being a #2. After the DW Jr. experiment, I’m rebounding on high-floor guys—after all, if you want to be technical, Eklund was a high-floor guy.

My top-10 is starting to shake out a bit:

Celebrini

Levshunov

Lindstrom
Dickinson
Demidov

Catton
Buium
Helenius
Silayev
Eiserman
Parekh

Yakemchuk
Iginla
Brandsegg-Nygard

Best case scenario would give us something like Celebrini and Parekh. Expected case scenario would be some on thing like Lindstrom and Yakemchuk. Worst case scenario would be something like Dickinson and a big winger like Brandsegg-Nygard/Connolly/Greentree.

Basically, if we finish bottom-2 and the Pens miss the playoffs, I’d be pretty satisfied.
 

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Dickinson and Yakemchuk both seem to have ceilings as #1D. Dickinson's ceiling is a Pietrangelo type. Yakemchuk is a RD with a mean streak and offense, and it seems he's only being discounted because he's on the older end. Neither of them are guaranteed but then again neither are Parekh, Levshunov, or Silayev to be a #1D. Levshunov for his hockey sense, Silayev for his lack of offense, and Parekh for his questionable defense.

It's reasonable of course to have your list and your ranking, not saying you're wrong, just saying that there is a lot of discussion on each of these prospect pages that makes this year pretty muddled after Celebrini. And especially with the D there's a lot of arguments for why each of them should be 2-4 OR 10-15.
Oh I totally agree that there’s lots of discussion around it. Those are just my personal rankings. I think that there’s a giant group from like 2-10 that you could pretty easily argue in almost any order
 
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Eiserman fall off needs to be studied. I'm curious if he's still rated higher internally amongst the league than in mocks because he's tumbling hard.

He's so prolific at putting the puck in the net, it's a shame because when you put the film on, it's Hagens who steals the show.
Yeah I think a bit of Eiserman’s fall isn’t his fault. It’ll be interesting to see where he goes draft day. I could pretty easily see him still going top 3.
 

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Just here to say that as a Bears fan, it would be really nice for my NHL and NFL teams to have 1st overall picks this year and give me an ounce of joy back in my sports fandom life.
 
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I hear that. I also don't have much knowledge on Silayev (or Demidov) tbh. What Levshunov is doing as a freshman at MSU is quite unheard of and even more-so considering he was in Belarus playing youth hockey two years ago. His developmental curve is so exponentially intriguing.

I just personally don't think you can afford to get cute with your premium picks, we need hits. I see a superstar 1C when I see Catton. He's been clocking at 2PPG since November and is having maybe the second best DY WHL season since Bedard. I don't think you can pass on that unless it's for Celebrini. But it's still early and I'm flip flopping a lot.
I do see Catton as the cute pick (in the top 5 in general, but especially at 2), and I would have him below a bunch of guys who scored about the same or slightly higher (with more projectable tools) before the college route became as popular, and also led their teams to the playoffs.

If someone like Silayev or Dickinson is picked at #2 and becomes a #3 defenseman, that's not ideal but still a small hit because of their profile and helpful in the playoffs. With Catton, I do worry that people would consider getting someone like Clayton Keller at #2 a big win, or think it would be easy for Catton to surpass Keller. I guess pick Catton highly if you think he's a future Hall of Famer, but those are very high expectations.
 

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My gripe is that he plays on a stacked team in an elite system and he’s just good. Not great. He’s arguably only the fourth best defenseman on his own CHL team. His offense is nothing special, he has the scoring totals he has because he plays lots of primo minutes on a very good team.

With that said, I still would take him 4th overall. I think he’s basically a guaranteed middle-pairing defenseman at worst, with a solid chance at being a #2. After the DW Jr. experiment, I’m rebounding on high-floor guys—after all, if you want to be technical, Eklund was a high-floor guy.

My top-10 is starting to shake out a bit:

Celebrini

Levshunov

Lindstrom
Dickinson
Demidov

Catton
Buium
Helenius
Silayev
Eiserman
Parekh

Yakemchuk
Iginla
Brandsegg-Nygard

Best case scenario would give us something like Celebrini and Parekh. Expected case scenario would be some on thing like Lindstrom and Yakemchuk. Worst case scenario would be something like Dickinson and a big winger like Brandsegg-Nygard/Connolly/Greentree.

Basically, if we finish bottom-2 and the Pens miss the playoffs, I’d be pretty satisfied.
Thanks for sharing your list, and agreed with your scenarios for the most part. Two questions for you:
1) What gives you the clarity on Levshunov? I don't read or see the separation from the other top D -- he has top end tools and he's young but he's suspect in his own zone, to say the least, and generally doesn't pop off with good decision making on tape (if anything, the latter). If he did, I would say he'd be clear #2 or potentially in the convo for #1 but as is, I would have expected to see him in your tier 3 group.

2) Understood on Dickinson playing on a loaded team, and maybe being 4th best on that team (I don't watch enough to really have an opinion), but he is also 2nd youngest after Brzustewicz and showing some elite spikes of his own e.g. here (beating Parekh, notably, in these skating drills). If the Pietrangelo ceiling is fair, that's a great player to have that is absolutely necessary on a winning team and probably contributes more to a winning team than a scoring winger. Although, I suppose you do have him in Tier 3 so maybe that's all priced in! If he were showing much more offensive spike, he'd also probably be clear 2OA.

FWIW it sounds like Yakemchuk might continue his climb, and Iggy as well. If that happens I'd personally expect to see them either join the group, or displace Helenius/Buium/Silayev (who I just learned has been playing 6D minutes in the second half of the season). Buium's knock is that he also plays on an extremely high scoring team and his blue line escapes and shiftiness he's known for might not work at the next level.

I really just hope someone from 2-15 has a great next 3-4 months to generate some clear separation...
 

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Thanks for sharing your list, and agreed with your scenarios for the most part. Two questions for you:
1) What gives you the clarity on Levshunov? I don't read or see the separation from the other top D -- he has top end tools and he's young but he's suspect in his own zone, to say the least, and generally doesn't pop off with good decision making on tape (if anything, the latter). If he did, I would say he'd be clear #2 or potentially in the convo for #1 but as is, I would have expected to see him in your tier 3 group.
Some of the criticism of Levshunov is his pace, which I think it a fair criticism, but I actually don’t think that pace is an important aspect for defensemen like it is for forwards. I actually almost prefer to see defensemen who are calm and collected, as opposed to the “chased by bees” style which can be very effective for forwards. For me, it comes down to this: Lev has the highest upside, he’s got size, he’s got the scoring, he’s right-handed, he’s raw but already good, and his work ethic is there. Yes, he can make some bone-headed decisions at times, but the highs of his game are so good and his tools allow him to recover from his mistakes surprisingly well. If anyone is going to be a #1D from this draft, I think it will be Levshunov. Yakemchuk and Parekh also have super high upside, but without the obvious floor of Levshunov to me.

2) Understood on Dickinson playing on a loaded team, and maybe being 4th best on that team (I don't watch enough to really have an opinion), but he is also 2nd youngest after Brzustewicz and showing some elite spikes of his own e.g. here (beating Parekh, notably, in these skating drills). If the Pietrangelo ceiling is fair, that's a great player to have that is absolutely necessary on a winning team and probably contributes more to a winning team than a scoring winger. Although, I suppose you do have him in Tier 3 so maybe that's all priced in! If he were showing much more offensive spike, he'd also probably be clear 2OA.
Dickinson has elite size and elite skating, that’s absolutely true. He’s very good defensively but I would argue that he isn’t elite defensively in the OHL. He’s very casual in the same way that Levshunov can be but without the highlight reel upside Lev has. If Dickinson showed me high-end offense in the OHL, I would probably move him up with Levshunov, but I have never seen any kind of plus-plus offense from Dickinson. He’ll be a capable puck-mover and capable of 40 points a season, but just because he’s a good player and not because he’s an offensive driver.

FWIW it sounds like Yakemchuk might continue his climb, and Iggy as well. If that happens I'd personally expect to see them either join the group, or displace Helenius/Buium/Silayev (who I just learned has been playing 6D minutes in the second half of the season). Buium's knock is that he also plays on an extremely high scoring team and his blue line escapes and shiftiness he's known for might not work at the next level.

I really just hope someone from 2-15 has a great next 3-4 months to generate some clear separation...
It wouldn’t shock me at all if Yakemchuk and Iginla both went top-10. Yakemchuk stylistically plays a lot like Brent Burns, except that he’s two inches shorter than Burns and doesn’t have Burns’ elite skating. Burns was a bit of a unicorn in his prime, so I don’t think it’s really fair to project that onto Yakemchuk, but he’s definitely got high high upside.

I also really love Iginla. His game style is going to make him a fan favorite for whoever drafts him without a doubt. Not only is he an incredibly hard-worker who is tenacious on the puck, but he’s also a great one-on-one attacker and has a rocket of a shot. He’s really fun to watch and kinda marries all the best qualities of Zach Benson and Ryan Leonard. If he keeps scoring at this pace he could go as high as 6th, IMO. Helluva player.

Someone will shake loose at the Pens pick. If Iginla and Yakemchuk go top-10, then maybe Parekh or Helenius or Catton drops. Hell, if Eiserman were around at 11th, that would be crazy.
 
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