It might be twice as likely but neither is all that likely. It’s obviously better to be last and have the best odds of getting the #1 pick but it is still not very likely to happen even if the team has 25% odds.
2024 NHL Draft: WE DID IT, CELEBRINI IS OURS!!!
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There's so much time left, and it's still best to have a top 3 pick. We'll see how the profiles shake out. Over 7 months until the draft, only 5 since the last draft. Huge amounts of time for movement.
But if the draft really does end up looking like Celebrini, and then a whole lot of others in a pile, either you keep your #3 and pick the profile you like the best, or you trade down for a pick in the 4-10 range to give one of those a chance at someone they really want, and you pick two from the "next muddled tier" with our + PIT's pick instead of just one at #3, similar to what Grier did with the 11OA. Again, I don't think this is likely but it's an option if that's how the draft profiles shake out.
But if the draft really does end up looking like Celebrini, and then a whole lot of others in a pile, either you keep your #3 and pick the profile you like the best, or you trade down for a pick in the 4-10 range to give one of those a chance at someone they really want, and you pick two from the "next muddled tier" with our + PIT's pick instead of just one at #3, similar to what Grier did with the 11OA. Again, I don't think this is likely but it's an option if that's how the draft profiles shake out.
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If Helenius has a good WJC, I think he solidly steps into the #2 spot. His production is catching up, and I think he stays at center in the NHL vs. Eiserman who is a guaranteed winger.
Doesn't have ideal size but the Smith comparison people said earlier doesn't really hold since he is a much better skater, and I could see him being a #1 center if things work out.
Doesn't have ideal size but the Smith comparison people said earlier doesn't really hold since he is a much better skater, and I could see him being a #1 center if things work out.
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Hopefully there is a must draft top line defencemen that rises to that top 5 area. If you are not drafting Celebrini it could be wise to start drafting defencemen with higher picks sooner than later (sometimes you have to reach a little for potential in defence) since Sharks haven't been drafting defencemen with 1st round picks in a while. It will take time before we really know what Sharks can get, let's hope it becomes a deep draft by the end of the year and that Pittsburgh pick gives us another ticket to draft a gem.
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I really don't know how to rank my own top 10 this year. I have Celebrini in a tier of his own and then the next 8 guys I could flip flop around every hour.
1. Celebrini
Eiserman
Catton
Levshunov
Dickinson
Silayev
Demidov
Helenius
Lindstrom
I want one of those 3 Dman to prove I could confidently put them 2nd but I can't do that yet. Each of those 8 guys has flaws that makes me think they're not worth 2nd overall. I guess based on my notes Catton or Silayev would be my favourite atm.
1. Celebrini
Eiserman
Catton
Levshunov
Dickinson
Silayev
Demidov
Helenius
Lindstrom
I want one of those 3 Dman to prove I could confidently put them 2nd but I can't do that yet. Each of those 8 guys has flaws that makes me think they're not worth 2nd overall. I guess based on my notes Catton or Silayev would be my favourite atm.
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I feel like taking Lindstrom in the top 5 and Parekh in the top 15 would make for a successful draft. Lots of flawed but talented defensemen this year. Kinda like 2018
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I feel like if you aren't #1 you might as well try to trade down for an additional late 1st
Except that literally never happens in the NHL (I guess outside of the Sedin twins draft weirdness). Teams just don't do pick swaps in the top 10 usually, it's not football.
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Paying more and more attention to Lindstrom. Such an intriguing package, I find him similar to Byfield. Where the biggest question is how will the offense translate
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Here's a great thread with HockeyProspect's rankings from a few days ago, where multiple HP employees (and Mark, the owner) chime in throughout the thread on a bunch of prospects.
tl;dr NHL scouts are trashing this draft class, which falls off fast after top 10, and many pro scouts are not impressed with Eiserman's game so far this year. HP has Lindstrom 2nd (edit) Silayev 3rd, Dickinson 4th, Demidov 5th, Eiserman 6th, then Helenius, Levshunov, Yakemchuk, Catton.
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tl;dr NHL scouts are trashing this draft class, which falls off fast after top 10, and many pro scouts are not impressed with Eiserman's game so far this year. HP has Lindstrom 2nd (edit) Silayev 3rd, Dickinson 4th, Demidov 5th, Eiserman 6th, then Helenius, Levshunov, Yakemchuk, Catton.
HockeyProspect.com Top 32 for 2024 Draft -November 27th 2023
1: Macklin Celebrini 2: Cayden Lindstrom 3: Anton Silayev 4: Sam Dickinson 5: Ivan Demidov
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And here are their prospect rankings from 2017 around this time of year. Definitely a couple important names missing.Here's a great thread with HockeyProspect's rankings from a few days ago, where multiple HP employees (and Mark, the owner) chime in throughout the thread on a bunch of prospects.
tl;dr NHL scouts are trashing this draft class, which falls off fast after top 10, and many pro scouts are not impressed with Eiserman's game so far this year. HP has Lindstrom 2nd (edit) Silayev 3rd, Dickinson 4th, Demidov 5th, Eiserman 6th, then Helenius, Levshunov, Yakemchuk, Catton.
HockeyProspect.com Top 32 for 2024 Draft -November 27th 2023
1: Macklin Celebrini 2: Cayden Lindstrom 3: Anton Silayev 4: Sam Dickinson 5: Ivan Demidov
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Yes, as it happens, these lists will continue to move for the next 7 months, and there are many of them. What is notable is that the thread was interesting to read with the HP team members chiming in, and the list is quite different than the current consensus around Eiserman + another high Lindstrom ranking.
Re: Lindstrom --- I have some bias against very tall prospects. I feel that people mentally use height as a tiebreaker when judging potential, and lots of short players drop in the draft accordingly. You definitely don't need to be tall to succeed in the NHL. I have no evidence for any of this, and it doesn't matter because we will get Celebrini.
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Hope you're right.
I also see Lindstrom listed anywhere from just under 6'3" to 6'5"... he looks more like 6'3" on the ice. What stands out though is his speed and skill, and that's on top of his size. From the one shift-by-shift game I watched, I don't see any of the "hockey IQ" concerns. He was playing a sound 2-way C game and created a lot of great chances with only a few bad decisions.
I think height can be a positive but it isn't itself a desirable trait. Weight/sturdiness more important in my opinion, but if you have both, then you're a better prospect.
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Solid game yesterday for potential 2024 Sharks #1 pick Lindstrom, and dream 2026 #1 pick Gavin McKenna
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If we're somehow able to draft both Celebrini and Silayev, I'll be happy as a pig rolling around Jack Edwards broadcast booth.
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Honestly I think we're playing somewhat above our heads right now and other teams are simply not taking us seriously. I continue to expect reversion to the mean and a finish below 40 points.
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