2024 NHL Draft: WE DID IT, CELEBRINI IS OURS!!!

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His production is well above Fantilli and Tavares in both his D-1 and draft year so far, and Eichel was considered a generational prosepect too. He is also 8 months younger in his draft year than those guys, and a significantly more advanced two way player.

You also thought this Sharks team would be improved without Karlsson, so not hard to imagine why you don't see the value in a puck moving RHD.


What's with the vitriol? I expected our team to suck, I thought it might be possible we were better, we aren't, I still am glad Karlsson is gone, and it has nothing to do with this discussion. Two questions for you:

Have you heard of ad hominem attacks? (It doesn't make for good arguments or pleasant experiences online).

Why are you so angry?
 
What's with the vitriol? I expected our team to suck, I thought it might be possible we were better, we aren't, I still am glad Karlsson is gone, and it has nothing to do with this discussion. Two questions for you:

Have you heard of ad hominem attacks? (It doesn't make for good arguments or pleasant experiences online).

Why are you so angry?
"Levshunov has a lot of question marks -- his PPG is good but a lot of folks aren't sold, me included."

We're talking about your analysis of a puckmoving RHD, why is the fact that you also thought replacing Erik Karlsson with Jan Rutta and Kyle Burroughs would make the team better irrelevant when deciding how much value your opinion should hold?
 
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Demidov also looks exciting. I think he's a natural RW too we could put together a Eklund-Smith-Demidov line at some point.
 
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"Levshunov has a lot of question marks -- his PPG is good but a lot of folks aren't sold, me included."

We're talking about your analysis of a puckmoving RHD, why is the fact that you also thought replacing Erik Karlsson with Jan Rutta and Kyle Burroughs would make the team better irrelevant when deciding how much value your opinion should hold?
Dude, you're being an asshole.

I didn't think Jan Rutta and Kyle Burroughs would collectively be better than Karlsson, and that remains irrelevant to the idea that Celebrini is somehow one of the best recent prospects because of his current NHLe, despite you being one of the only people who seem to hold that opinion.

I said in my post - I'm no pro scout. You talk like you are, but you're just a keyboard jockey like the rest of us. What I know about Levshunov is what I read from actual pros, plus what I watched with my eyes, and I'm not the only one who thinks he's not a sure thing. You should take several seats and stop being a dick.
 
Rewatched the BU-Maine series today and it really is crazy how much better Celebrini is than Will Smith despite being over a year younger.

Constantly generating chances and looking like the best player on the ice in comparison to being completely invisibly for 99% of the game.
Smith might not be Celebrini but he still has lots of potential. BC is a top-ranked program and Smith IMO has more offensive creativity than anyone else on the team.

Edit: Also just pointing out that last year the worst NHL faceoff performer Kent Johnson won 29% of his draws. Currently Leo Carlsson is at about 24% which I believe is worst in the league. So at least Smith has some company with his current faceoff abilities :laugh:
 
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Ernst & Young has annual revenues in excess of $45 billion. The NHL has annual revenues of approximately $6 billion.

The National Hockey League is a small fry. They couldn't bribe E&Y if they liquidated themselves.
Me being a conspiracy theorist on the draft find this logic hard to argue lol . Yeah no way the NHL is bribing them
 
How many of EY's significant clients would drop them if it came out they were helping rig the NHL draft lottery? Hell, how many of their clients are even aware of the NHL? This league being a small fry also means nobody pays attention to it. These accounting firms have survived bigger scandals in the past.

I'm not saying the lottery is definitely rigged. I have no evidence of that. But Ernst & Young's glorified sponsorship of the TV event is not conclusive proof of anything.
 
Me being a conspiracy theorist on the draft find this logic hard to argue lol . Yeah no way the NHL is bribing them
Not saying the draft is rigged, but based on how corruption usually plays out it would be more likely the NHL would bribe a lower-level EY employee to do the dirty work without the leadership of EY knowing.

When the Sharks eventually pick 3rd in the upcoming draft I’ll blame the hockey gods hating them not the NHL :laugh:
 
Not saying the draft is rigged, but based on how corruption usually plays out it would be more likely the NHL would bribe a lower-level EY employee to do the dirty work without the leadership of EY knowing.

When the Sharks eventually pick 3rd in the upcoming draft I’ll blame the hockey gods hating them not the NHL :laugh:
I'm already mentally ready to re-name this thread to either:
- We slacked off for Levshunov
- We tried tanking like Dickens for Dickenson
 
I mean it's another market that has shown to be capable of pulling in 17k people a night? Why would the NHL not want that in favour of letting it languish and sell a handful more tickets in Chicago or Pittsburgh?

I know fans like to do the whole league hates our team, league favours this team, but why would the league not want every team to be competitive? Specially a market that sustains multiple teams and had shown to be a hot market when the team is even remotely competitive. The NHL doesn't gain anything from teams being irrelevant for years.

When there is a face of the league type prospect like the Connors, I could see an argument for them wanting to have that player end up in a major market. But it makes no sense that they would be manipulating shit behind the scenes this year so Chicago could sell 200 more tickets a game compared to the thousands you are losing out by having San Jose be non competitive.
 
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The draft lottery was done in partnership with Ernst and Young. No shot EY is risking their reputation as a big 4 firm over the NHL draft lottery haha it's fun to act like it's rigged but so long as the NHL uses a 3rd party like EY I'm going to say its safe to assume it's not
Has anyone checked to make sure it's not Ernest and Young and it's actually this guy running things behind the scenes?

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I mean it's another market that has shown to be capable of pulling in 17k people a night? Why would the NHL not want that in favour of letting it languish and sell a handful more tickets in Chicago or Pittsburgh?

I know fans like to do the whole league hates our team, league favours this team, but why would the league not want every team to be competitive? Specially a market that sustains multiple teams and had shown to be a hot market when the team is even remotely competitive. The NHL doesn't gain anything from teams being irrelevant for years.

When there is a face of the league type prospect like the Connors, I could see an argument for them wanting to have that player end up in a major market. But it makes no sense that they would be manipulating shit behind the scenes this year so Chicago could sell 200 more tickets a game compared to the thousands you are losing out by having San Jose be non competitive.
I think the league might even be happy if the Sharks get Celebrini. They could market the junior shark part of it quite a bit.
 
What makes San Jose such a market that would be needed to keep afloat?
The Bay Area is one of the biggest metropolitan areas in the US. We are also home to some of the biggest companies in the world and have one of the highest median incomes in the world. That means a whole lot of discretionary spending money. If Hasso decides the team needs a new arena and gets push back from local government, then moving the team becomes a possibility. Until then, the Sharks are in no danger of relocating no matter how bad the team plays.
 
If the draft was genuinely rigged, I would think we had a better shot at getting a higher pick. The NHL has no reason to allow the bay area market to languish in obscurity.
Like I said, it won't happen unless Bettman believes they're really in trouble. Historically that has been shown to help the teams in ruin (Penguins, Blackhawks, Thrashers, Panthers). Anaheim didn't have nearly as bad attendance issues but the Sharks have been struggling franchise-wide with no luck for years now so I'd imagine he hasn't seen this as an issue to this point and hoped that they'd gradually get better but maintain engagement similar to Anaheim. But, if there is a year to rig it for the Sharks, it would be this one for the players history, but being serious now, more importantly is that if they do win the lottery I would take it as an indicator to be concerned. Not even the Coyotes got to having an attendance problem level like the Sharks currently have, also factoring in they have by far the AHL's lowest attendance in a brand new arena I think majorly built around them.

I mean it's another market that has shown to be capable of pulling in 17k people a night? Why would the NHL not want that in favour of letting it languish and sell a handful more tickets in Chicago or Pittsburgh?

I know fans like to do the whole league hates our team, league favours this team, but why would the league not want every team to be competitive? Specially a market that sustains multiple teams and had shown to be a hot market when the team is even remotely competitive. The NHL doesn't gain anything from teams being irrelevant for years.

When there is a face of the league type prospect like the Connors, I could see an argument for them wanting to have that player end up in a major market. But it makes no sense that they would be manipulating shit behind the scenes this year so Chicago could sell 200 more tickets a game compared to the thousands you are losing out by having San Jose be non competitive.
The draft isn't necessarily "rigged against the Sharks." I see it as more of a "favors certain teams very heavily over others". I think how Celebrini shows up until the draft factors in and who the teams are along with the Sharks at the bottom also get factored in. All I'm saying is don't be surprised if Chicago/Edmonton or another OG6/Moneymaker who drops down randomly wins #1 if Celebrini continues to prove better and better. That's why I've seen people in Columbus tell eachother to stop going to games so they stop getting screwed in the draft as well :laugh:

My prediction is Chicago actually finishes dead last even behind the Sharks, wins #1 again, then the NHL "randomly" does another rule change where you either can't win the lottery in general even two years in a row or you can't win #1 two years in a row.
 
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Chicago losing hall for the season and perry is a strong play, I wonder how we might be able to counter
Chicago sans Hall and Perry is still better than we are. We're going to struggle to get 30 points, Chicago is going to finish around 45-50. We'll be fine.
 
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Chicago sans Hall and Perry is still better than we are. We're going to struggle to get 30 points, Chicago is going to finish around 45-50. We'll be fine.
Sharks don't have Couture/Barabanov or the 2/3 AHL forwards/defensemen better than their counterparts. Sharks also are intentionally tanking by storing their younger hungrier players in the AHL and giving a guy like Ferraro close to 24 minutes a night where Chicago is playing literally everyone they can in their organization they think might keep them afloat.

It's actually impressive the Blackhawks have as many points as they do now, and I think the only reason why is guys like Perry/Foligno instead of guys like Hoffman/Duclair. On paper, especially with Hall and Perry gone, they are by far worse than the Sharks. That's why they also had to give them Bedard last season because that + scandals had them gutterbound quicker than any of the other surrounding teams. I think there's a good chance they finish last.
 
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