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2024 NHL Draft: WE DID IT, CELEBRINI IS OURS!!!

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weastern bias said:
Couture's return won't prevent us from being historically bad because he no longer drives play at an elite level, he's a 60-70 point top-6 center who plays responsible defense, he's not going to turn anyone else on the roster into a legitimate scoring threat and without a Meier or Karlsson to drive play for him his counting stats will also regress


As noted, there are plenty of reasons why it couldn't happen again
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None of those reasons are valid until the season is done. Otherwise you’re betting on speculation.
 
Without Meier and Karlsson and with the rest of this roster, I doubt Couture would hit 50 points if he played 80.

We have 1 player barely averaging over 1 point every other game.

We have 2 players averaging a point every 3 games.

Eklund who everyone is raving about is tied for 3rd in scoring with 2 points in 9 games.

Couture had some strange injury that I still dont think we know details on or maybe I missed it. Lets see when he comes back and how well he plays.
 
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weastern bias said:
Couture's return won't prevent us from being historically bad because he no longer drives play at an elite level, he's a 60-70 point top-6 center who plays responsible defense, he's not going to turn anyone else on the roster into a legitimate scoring threat and without a Meier or Karlsson to drive play for him his counting stats will also regress
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We'll see. This is a very bad team. I'm not convinced we're guaranteed to be historically bad, but everyone should be very surprised if we're not last. No need to split hairs beyond that.
 
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Cas said:
Granlund isn't a good player - he's a middle-six complementary winger on the downslide of his career - he's not going to move the needle this season and by the end of the year is more likely to be deserving of being waived (he won't be, but that's a different matter) than deserving of top-six minutes.

Couture is a top-six complementary center who is also on the downslide of his career, but who was a much better player at his peak and so has much further to fall. He doesn't drive play, he needs a good play driver on his wing, but right now we have maybe three play drivers in Hertl, maybe Eklund, and maybe Barabanov, but the latter two are a prospect (albeit an excellent one) and an older and now injured complementary winger who himself needs someone strong to help him create space.

These guys aren't going to make this team much better. Of course we will win some games, but that will be due to luck, not due to our own skill, because we are entirely and utterly bereft of breakout ability.
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You wrote a whole lot there that doesn't really disagree with me. "These guys aren't going to make this team much better" I agree! We will almost certainly finish last. I'm just saying that I think it's less likely than you that the team is the worst team in history.

Luckily, it doesn't matter (except for poster ego) and we'll all see the result within 6 months. I'm far more interested in debating the merits and development of the top 5 prospects in the draft.
 
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coooldude said:
We'll see. This is a very bad team. I'm not convinced we're guaranteed to be historically bad, but everyone should be very surprised if we're not last. No need to split hairs beyond that.
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We're at least nearly guaranteed to be a historically low scoring offense

We're currently at exactly 1 goal per game through 9 games, 2nd lowest of all time behind only the 1929 Blackhawks

To escape the bottom-100 all time in goals per game and pass the 2021 Ducks mark of 2.21 goals per game we'd need to score 173 goals in the next 73 games, ticking at a pace of 2.36 goals per game to do so, more than double our current pace

Logan Couture and Mikeal Granlund are not going to double this team's output in goals scored, and even then it BARELY brings us out of the bottom-100, this team is legitimately historic
 
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TheWayToRefJose said:
Top 2 of this draft looks great, Demidov and Levshunov also look pretty good.

Thankfully we’re all but guaranteed to get one of them.

Obviously hopefully it’s Celebrini, but Eiserman isn’t a slouch either.

Misa next year would be awesome too.
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There's a whole world of Jar Jar jokes if we get Misa.
 
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Gecklund said:
I believe if they actually win the lottery it counts but if they finish with the first overall pick because a team 12-16 wins the lottery then it doesn’t count.
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Winning only counts if you move up. If you have the worst record and get the first pick that does not count as as a lottery win. It only counts if you improve upon your finishing position.

In theory the Sharks could finish last each of next 5 years and pick #1. (OF course from a statistical perspect this the chances would be 0.255 to the 5th power or 0.001078203909375, which is slight more than a 1/10 of a precent. You just cannot move up above your position than twice in a five year span.
 
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Honestly, the best thing that's happened so far is that our biggest competition for last overall has been performing pretty well, accumulating some points to give us a bit of a cushion: Montreal on 11 points, Philly on 9, Anaheim and Columbus on 8, and Chicago and Arizona on 6 (which isn't great or anything, but 3 wins from 8 is a pace that seems hard for this Sharks team to achieve even if they won't keep losing at the current rate for a whole host of reasons).

Hell, we might even get to a point in the second half of the season where some of us can root for Sharks wins without simultaneously having a sinking feeling in our guts!
 
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I have never had higher hopes for a good draft position than I am this season, potentially next few seasons as well. Now they need to get rid of Couture, Hertl, and Vlasic and let the youngsters have more playing time. What a great start. Without a generational talent, other teams won't try to tank as much as last season so it's even better.

Need a thread dedicated to following the prospects and how they're looking compared to last draft prospects.
 
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gaucholoco3 said:
Sharks are on a 9 point pace. For the whole season.
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This team is bad but we have also had the hardest schedule to date and until Washington had been sent on a beat down tour.

We will challenge for worst in the league for sure but think we will pull away from worst all time records.

dmcccdmn said:
I have never had higher hopes for a good draft position than I am this season, potentially next few seasons as well. Now they need to get rid of Couture, Hertl, and Vlasic and let the youngsters have more playing time. What a great start. Without a generational talent, other teams won't try to tank as much as last season so it's even better.

Need a thread dedicated to following the prospects and how they're looking compared to last draft prospects.
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You can't get rid of Vlasic (unless your LTIR him) and there is no point eating retention on him at this point.

Maybe Couture is tradable (doubt it though) and Hertl might get you a modest return.
 
We can just buy Vlasic out. The cap hit isn't bad, especially for a rebuilding team whose really expensive prospects won't be getting raises until after the cap hit penalty expires.
 
Cas said:
We can just buy Vlasic out. The cap hit isn't bad, especially for a rebuilding team whose really expensive prospects won't be getting raises until after the cap hit penalty expires.
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There is a limit to how many buy outs a team can have. I’m not sure what the rules are.
 
Alaskanice said:
There is a limit to how many buy outs a team can have. I’m not sure what the rules are.
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There is no limit on buyouts, save having enough cap space to afford to ice a team.

Besides, after this season we only have one buyout on the books (Jones).
 
Cas said:
There is no limit on buyouts, save having enough cap space to afford to ice a team.

Besides, after this season we only have one buyout on the books (Jones).
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I can’t verify that but it doesn’t sound right, there being no limits on buyouts, if I’m wrong, my apologies.
 
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