HF Habs: 2024 NHL Draft Thread

[McGees]

Really? I don't see very many on this board sleeping on Lindstrom at all. He's probably not being talked about much on this board right now because most seem to think he'll likely be picked in the top 4 and won't be there @ 5 for the Habs.

From what I've seen Demidov and Lindstrom are the 2 players that most on this board seem to want with the 5th pick, if either is available.

a lot of people think he is low IQ and only does well because of his size...
and of course many don't want him due to fear of his injury, but I'll trust Habs brass does their homework on that.

Sorry boys. Back to talking about the same things!

I don't blame you for posting it, but these GMs are so cliche, say the exact same crap every year and then nobody trades away their top 10 pick despite all the hype the Dregers of the world attempt to drum up.

 

[NotProkofievian]

Here are 4 shift by shift videos of Sennecke, more than an hour of game play, all from February onwards.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

Let's say Verbeek calls them and offers Carlsson and the 3rd pick

They making that deal

Not really. Maybe for you it's a slamdunk in term of talent/value but Mike Grier is a huge fan of character and I think they view Macklin Celebrini has their next Sidney Crosby/Nathan MacKinnon, the guy that will lead their rebuild with talent+leadership. Not many players like that.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Here are 4 shift by shift videos of Sennecke, more than an hour of game play, all from February onwards.

Expecting people to watch? Lofty. Wait until you hear my opinion on a hockeyettan guy we draft in round 6 that I definitely did watch and didn't read a scouting report from a hooligan on Twitter and decided that's my take.

 

[Doublechin]

Not really. Maybe for you it's a slamdunk in term of talent/value but Mike Grier is a huge fan of character and I think they view Macklin Celebrini has their next Sidney Crosby/Nathan MacKinnon, the guy that will lead their rebuild with talent+leadership. Not many players like that.

There's zero chance Grier declines

Celebrini for Carlsson and one of Demidov/Levshunov

None

 

[Skip Bayless]

He’s been one of my faves since day 1, but the herniated disc scares. You never know what the future holds with back injuries.

 

[Jack Skellington]

What are you talking about. IQ 100% is THE most projectable capability. Mike Ribeiro, a bum with no speed, no discipline, no strength, had a long career only because of IQ.

The problem is that scouts label players as high IQ that are average at best. Show me a player that did not succeed but had "high IQ" and he either got into injury issues or was not high IQ to begin with.

Our highest IQ player right now is Matheson. Suzuki is above average, but not in the elite or he would be Sidney Crosby.

Matheson highest IQ almost caused a spit take

 

[SOLR]

Matheson highest IQ almost caused a spit take

So who else (not that it matters) - I think it will be Hutson in a hurry.

 

[Treb]

Luchanko has too much momentum. Had a very impressive WU18 and Combine. He'll be higher on NHL teams lists than he is on public lists. I'd bet a lot of money that he goes closer to 14 than 26.

If not him, it's very likely another guy we were sure would be gone is going to be there.

I'm expecting a surprising first night.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

There's zero chance Grier declines

Celebrini for Carlsson and one of Demidov/Levshunov

None

Maybe you should call him and ask him or are you Mike Grier himself? Hello Mike.

The Sharks will build their team around Macklin Celebrini for years to come that's the only true fact. The rest is pure speculation by yourself.

 

[SOLR]

There's zero chance Grier declines

Celebrini for Carlsson and one of Demidov/Levshunov

None

More like 100% decline.

You don't trade a generational player and Celebrini is one.

Teams who get the best player win trades. Celebrini is much better than Carlsson and the 3rd overall.

 

[Jack Skellington]

So who else (not that it matters) - I think it will be Hutson in a hurry.

I think the guys who show good IQ are obviously Suzuki, and Caufield strictly in terms of reading goalscoring opportunities. Josh Roy is also quite effective with very few physical advantages. Matheson honestly would be low on my list. He's easily the best skater on the team, and one of the best in the entire league, he's very strong, has good hands and shooting skills. His shot selection is absymal though which is definitely a negative in terms of IQ. If he had a higher IQ than Suzuki he would be like Makar level or something. Obviously IQ is tough to quantify but the guy has incredible tools and was basically dumped for old washed Petry a couple years ago in spite of them. He's improved alot since then though. Agreed about Hutson.

 

[G0bias]

Yeah if anything , Matheson is a good example of a player who's tools are high level enough to compensate for a more than questionable hockey sense.

 

[sampollock]

He’s been one of my faves since day 1, but the herniated disc scares. You never know what the future holds with back injuries.

so agree... day 1 for me to. bad back though......yikes.

 

[SOLR]

I think the guys who show good IQ are obviously Suzuki, and Caufield strictly in terms of reading goalscoring opportunities. Josh Roy is also quite effective with very few physical advantages. Matheson honestly would be low on my list. He's easily the best skater on the team, and one of the best in the entire league, he's very strong, has good hands and shooting skills. His shot selection is absymal though which is definitely a negative in terms of IQ. If he had a higher IQ than Suzuki he would be like Makar level or something. Obviously IQ is tough to quantify but the guy has incredible tools and was basically dumped for old washed Petry a couple years ago in spite of them. He's improved alot since then though. Agreed about Hutson.

"Shot selection" is hardly a IQ metric because it's situational to what the rest of the on-ice player are doing (they "choose" their shots a lot less than you think). And with the results he's getting "abysmal" is a fair bit of an overstatement - if he was abysmal he would not be on the PP. He could be better for sure, but he's in the top 20 best offensive D in the league.

Matheson hand-eye is higher than Suzuki's and Caufield's imo, that tends to be my tell-tell sign. He can easily deke-out goaltenders with IQ-based tricks. I agree Suzuki is not far behind. But Caufield isn't really close. Roy might be closer as you say.

Thing is we've been so strapped for IQ that for these guys to be at top of our list means that we need to remediate this asap. Hutson in 2 games showed he's in another league on this.

How many goals by Suzuki and Slakovski if they played with Panarin? A lot more.

 

[Rapala]

Yeah if anything , Matheson is a good example of a player who's tools are high level enough to compensate for a more than questionable hockey sense.

Such a stud if we could manage that short circuit that creeps in to his game like faulty shanty town wiring.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

 

[skidcells]

I’ll take a crack at posting my top 10:

1- Celebrini
2- Demidov
3- Dickinson
4- sennecke
5- Lindstrom
6- Buium
7- Levshunov
8- iginla
9- Parekh
10- Hutson


Yes I like Cole that much. It is what it is and I’ll own my ranking.

 

[Doublechin]

More like 100% decline.

You don't trade a generational player and Celebrini is one.

Teams who get the best player win trades. Celebrini is much better than Carlsson and the 3rd overall.

You're the first person I see labeling Celebrini as generational

 

[The Great Weal]

I think it's pretty obvious that Lindstrom is our guy and that we are praying that he becomes available.

 

[Jack Skellington]

"Shot selection" is hardly a IQ metric because it's situational to what the rest of the on-ice player are doing (they "choose" their shots a lot less than you think). And with the results he's getting "abysmal" is a fair bit of an overstatement - if he was abysmal he would not be on the PP. He could be better for sure, but he's in the top 20 best offensive D in the league.

Matheson hand-eye is higher than Suzuki's and Caufield's imo, that tends to be my tell-tell sign. He can easily deke-out goaltenders with IQ-based tricks. I agree Suzuki is not far behind. But Caufield isn't really close. Roy might be closer as you say.

Thing is we've been so strapped for IQ that for these guys to be at top of our list means that we need to remediate this asap. Hutson in 2 games showed he's in another league on this.

How many goals by Suzuki and Slakovski if they played with Panarin? A lot more.

If you think shot selection isn't a part of hockey IQ I think we may have a different opinion on what the term means. I would think about decision making quality + speed, space mapping, timing, predicting and reading the play before it unfolds etc. way before I would ever think about hand eye coordination, but I'm certainly no expert in the subject.

I don't even know how many times this year I saw Matheson totally ignore a wide open Slafkovsky set up for a one timer to take a totally unforced point shot with no lane open that was subsequently blocked. I don't know if I would say that his IQ must be good or else he wouldn't be on the PP when I believe it says more about the quality of our team and having no other better options. He's certainly one of the better offensive dmen in the league but I would attribute it to his all-world skating and physical traits.

 

[sampollock]

I think it's pretty obvious that Lindstrom is our guy and that we are praying that he becomes available.

AND healthy

 

[dralaf]

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/~2943764
5 minute interview with Lindstrom.
Not a whole lot in it, but he mentions that he boxes a lot. If his injuries don't derail him then he could develop into the dream powerforward. He's big, strong, can score and knows how to fight.

wet dream scenario... pick Lindstrom at 5 and trade up for Cole Eiserman!

line 1A
Cole - Dach - Slaf/Lindstrom
line 1B
Cole - Suzy - Slaf/Lindstrom

 

[Schooner Goon]

I think it's pretty obvious that Lindstrom is our guy and that we are praying that he becomes available.

I don't think anything's obvious this long before the draft with the HuGo regime.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Chris Peters mocks Demidov to Habs at 5.