HF Habs: 2024 NHL Draft Thread

[SannywithoutCompy]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1803795200650731786

Just get the 3rd or 4th to make sure we get Demidov or Lindstrom.

Agreed

 

[Balthazar]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1803795200650731786

Just get the 3rd or 4th to make sure we get Demidov or Lindstrom.

"Around us" could be Montreal if they know that Demidov and Lindstrom will be gone.

 

[SOLR]

IQ is great but it doesn't always project to NHL success. I don't think we can afford to draft a bust in the top 5. Need to make sure at minimum you are getting a decent NHL floor out of the pick.

What are you talking about. IQ 100% is THE most projectable capability. Mike Ribeiro, a bum with no speed, no discipline, no strength, had a long career only because of IQ.

The problem is that scouts label players as high IQ that are average at best. Show me a player that did not succeed but had "high IQ" and he either got into injury issues or was not high IQ to begin with.

Our highest IQ player right now is Matheson. Suzuki is above average, but not in the elite or he would be Sidney Crosby.

 

[The Last Red]

Wouldn't like to be in HuGo shoes...

Sure you would. He makes about $5 million a year to co-run a hockey team.

 

[BergevinBurner]

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Just get the 3rd or 4th to make sure we get Demidov or Lindstrom.

Would Harris/Struble qualify as a "nice asset"?

 

[Kents polished head]

Would Harris/Struble qualify as a "nice asset"?

At this point I'd even throw the 26th. Suboptimal sure, but you gotta do what you gotta do.

 

[Schooner Guy]

I don't think it was at all, you can watch draft videos of the two if you want. Hedmans skill is evident, silayevs isn't at all. His goals are muffins.

Hedman got bashed pretty hard over his lack of production in the WJC (which is silly in any player's draft year) and questions about his offense were floating around in the months leading to his draft. Hedman would have been an easy slam dunk #1 pick if everyone knew he'd provide the kind of offense he has.

Scouts are at odds on Silayev's offensive potential. I've seen a mixed bag of reviews/quotes. Chara's offense was non-existent until several years into his NHL career. I'll never close the book on what some of these oversized teens will do once they grow into and get used to their large frames. From everything I've heard, Silayev is supposedly a terrific athlete and his game has loads of room to grow. Getting the responsibilities he had in the KHL as a 17 year old D is remarkable. He has been the #1 D on Bobby Mac's poll of NHL scouts all season.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

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Just get the 3rd or 4th to make sure we get Demidov or Lindstrom.

Isn't Waddell saying teams around his team are also looking to trade down? Not trading with him?

That is how I read that quote.

 

[Schooner Guy]

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Another mock, for the fun of it. Demidov and Luchanko would be a heck of a first round haul IMO.

That would be sweet. Unfortunately there is zero chance Luchanko is still available at #26. He'll go in the teens...possibly in the mid-teens. It's hilarious how out of touch the RDS guys are.

 

[waffledave]

What are you talking about. IQ 100% is THE most projectable capability. Mike Ribeiro, a bum with no speed, no discipline, no strength, had a long career only because of IQ.

The problem is that scouts label players as high IQ that are average at best. Show me a player that did not succeed but had "high IQ" and he either got into injury issues or was not high IQ to begin with.

Our highest IQ player right now is Matheson. Suzuki is above average, but not in the elite or he would be Sidney Crosby.

That's kind of my whole point - IQ is not exactly something you can measure. People are called "smart" players all the time but they can never put it together because at the end of the day they don't have the right kind of hockey IQ. It's too subjective.

 

[McGees]

If I have to fix the autocorrect to spell Demidov instead of Denison 1 more time…

This draft can’t be over soon enough.

 

[Hacketts]

At this point I'd even throw the 26th. Suboptimal sure, but you gotta do what you gotta do.

You guys are worried about the draft, and I'm out here trying to fit kent's face into his forehead.

 

[NotProkofievian]

That's kind of my whole point - IQ is not exactly something you can measure. People are called "smart" players all the time but they can never put it together because at the end of the day they don't have the right kind of hockey IQ. It's too subjective.

I think hockey IQ gets way overrated. Size, skating, athleticism, competitiveness and skill buys a lot of IQ points. The best of the best are geniuses, but there are loads of average and even slightly dumb players in the show. In the end it's another trait, and there's only so much it can do.

I think the best measure of it is production, anyhow.

 

[WeThreeKings]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1803794330991096132

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1803794330991096132

Wonder what the cost would be to guarantee Demidov. Then again, if they're trading down one spot they're not taking Demidov in the first place. Then AGAIN, maybe another team leapfrogs to get Demidov if we DON'T make the deal.

 

[McGees]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1803794330991096132

Response of every GM ever.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

If I have to fix the autocorrect to spell Demidov instead of Denison 1 more time…

This draft can’t be over soon enough.

Isak Dinesen is one of my favorite authors, incidentally.

 

[Doublechin]

Response of every GM ever.

Yea

Zero relevance to his tweet

 

[NotProkofievian]

"Don see you looking to trade back at all?"

Maybe, maybe not, maybe go f*** yourself.

True if huge!

 

[salbutera]

I think hockey IQ gets way overrated. Size, skating, athleticism, competitiveness and skill buys a lot of IQ points. The best of the best are geniuses, but there are loads of average and even slightly dumb players in the show. In the end it's another trait, and there's only so much it can do.

I think the best measure of it is production, anyhow.

Desire / hunger & ability to be a quick learner IMO is what accelerates hockey IQ

Hunger / willingness to learn towards continuous improvement can’t be taught

 

[McGees]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1803803772260401231

 

[SOLR]

That's kind of my whole point - IQ is not exactly something you can measure. People are called "smart" players all the time but they can never put it together because at the end of the day they don't have the right kind of hockey IQ. It's too subjective.

G isn't subjective, it's the best tested and most reliable metric in the field of psychology. The problem is more, scouts are not really trained/permitted to evaluate it, thus are just using the subjectivity of their evaluation as a space to make career moves.

And hockey observer/fans/us are just on the receiving end of all these career moves.

 

[Kents polished head]

You guys are worried about the draft, and I'm out here trying to fit kent's face in his forehead.

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Thank you for your contribution good sir.

 

[NotProkofievian]

G isn't subjective, it's the best tested and most reliable metric in the field of psychology. The problem is more, scouts are not really trained/permitted to evaluate it, thus are just using the subjectivity of their evaluation as a space to make career moves.

And hockey observer/fans/us are just on the receiving end of all these career moves.

Talked to the Beaudoins in Espoo. They said Cole was given written tests on several occasions. Wouldn't doubt that they're doing psychometric evals. I remember in the interviews KK said he was shown a picture of a bus and asked which way it was going.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Response of every GM ever.

Yea

Zero relevance to his tweet

Sorry boys. Back to talking about the same things!