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Who do you want at #5?

  • Tij Iginla

    Votes: 209 49.5%

  • Cole Eiserman

    Votes: 14 3.3%

  • Berkly Catton

    Votes: 92 21.8%

  • Konsta Helenius

    Votes: 13 3.1%

  • Beckett Sennecke

    Votes: 75 17.8%

  • Zayne Parekh

    Votes: 19 4.5%
  • Total voters
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Anyone who's actually watched games live knows it's absolute ass and you can't see shit. Gotta stop pushing those old geezers tales. It's 2024, we have dozens angles in a pinch on TV, we have 4k+++ hd40p2pp TV. Scouting on video, especially with the ability to freeze and even slow frames and rewind is much better than in person.
 
So I've been posting betting odds for the draft for a while.
This morning they finally put up the odds for the 4th overall pick which wasn't available anywhere.
As usual takes this with a grain of salt, it will surely move this week,

- Lindstrom major favourite for 4th overall
- Demidov for the first time is favourite for 5th overall, although it's very close

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ReHabs said:
The Habs don't need a top-tier playmaker type of player?
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They either need an ultra elite talent like demidov or elite players that play on the inside where the team needs to start playing in order to be effective. Habs have Suzuki, Dach, and Slaf who can make plays and are heavy puck dominant players. Iginla and Lindstrom would compliment this team way more than catton
 
Milhouse40 said:
So I've been posting betting odds for the draft for a while.
This morning they finally put up the odds for the 4th overall pick which wasn't available anywhere.
As usual takes this with a grain of salt, it will surely move this week,

- Lindstrom major favourite for 4th overall
- Demidov for the first time is favourite for 5th overall, although it's very close

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Vegas baby!!!
 
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Habs Halifax said:
Does naming one draft year make it usual?

If you have the time, lets quantify it and look at is since 2000? 24 drafts? I'd be curious to see that lists of hits per draft on D (real top pairing types... not fringe types). And lets not spread that out past the top 15 lets say. The hits after 15 is more luck and doesn't really apply to this conversation in terms of how many top pairing there are in the top 13 of this draft.

I'm also very interested in the drafts with this many D in a top 13 or top 15 as well. Some drafts have more forwards than D and vice versa.
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What is a top pairing to you? You're not going to find 4 Norris winner in any top 15 draft.

If we stick to first pairing defenseman, it is not that rare to find 3 solid first pairing defenseman in the top 20.

2003: Suter, Phaneuf, Seabrook, Burns (top 20)

2008: Doughty, Pietrangelo, Karlsson (top 15)

2012: Rielly, Lindholm, Dumba, Trouba (top 10)

2013: Jones, Nurse, Morrissey (top 13)

2015: Hanafin, Provorov, Werenski, Chabot (top 18)

2016: Sergachev, McAvoy, Chychrun (top 16)

2017: Heiskanen, Makar (top 5)

2019: Byram, Seider, York, Harley ( top 18) all are first pairing or on their way

To get 3 or 4 first pairing defenseman out of Silayev, Buium, Dickinson , Levshunov, Parekh and Yakemchuk would not be out of the ordinary.
 
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SannywithoutCompy said:
Interesting that Parekh's advanced stats show his defensive game isn't as bad as many have claimed. He struggles on retrievals but is great at breaking up plays and neutral zone defense.

Might be another one of those cases where people galaxy brain a guy who can become a top level defenseman because they focus on a couple obvious flaws rather than their ability to do things no one else is doing.
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It’s not Parekh’s D that concerns me.

And Saginaw played great five-man D; very structured and passing lanes became turnover lanes.

Parekh, from what I saw of him, doesn’t like physicality. I saw that stick come up when about to be hit.

That can be ‘fixed’ and I can view his spitting at two Kingston players as a one-time-only thing, but overall he just didn’t promote any “man, the Habs could use this guy!” when I saw him.

Certainly Didn’t earn a ‘character’ label.
 
Milhouse40 said:
So I've been posting betting odds for the draft for a while.
This morning they finally put up the odds for the 4th overall pick which wasn't available anywhere.
As usual takes this with a grain of salt, it will surely move this week,

- Lindstrom major favourite for 4th overall
- Demidov for the first time is favourite for 5th overall, although it's very close

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Draft kings? I don't like sports gambling but some of those odds are pretty good. I wouldn't mind hedging on us not getting Demidov lol
 
ReHabs said:
You're doing what I did with Slafkovsky's pre-draft output. I've since adjusted my tools to better account for demonstrated abilities vs demonstrated production.

If he had production to go with what he already has, he'd be a lock at 1OA.
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Ability isn’t there though. He’s not the best puckmover. At least with Slafkovsky you had production increasing in the second half of the season and playoffs. He was also lights out at every other level against players his own age. Then of course he had his international tournaments.

Silayev doesn’t really produce anywhere. His KHL start seems to be an aberration.
 
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GrandmaCookie said:
What is a top pairing to you? You're not going to find 4 Norris winner in any top 15 draft.

If we stick to first pairing defenseman, it is not that rare to find 3 solid first pairing defenseman in the top 20.

2003: Suter, Phaneuf, Seabrook, Burns (top 20)

2008: Doughty, Pietrangelo, Karlsson (top 15)

2012: Rielly, Lindholm, Dumba, Trouba (top 10)

2013: Jones, Nurse, Morrissey (top 13)

2015: Hanafin, Provorov, Werenski, Chabot (top 18)

2016: Sergachev, McAvoy, Chychrun (top 16)

2017: Heiskanen, Makar (top 5)

2019: Byram, Seider, York, Harley ( top 18) all are first pairing or in their way

To get 3 or 4 first pairing defenseman out of Silayev, Buium, Dickinson , Levshunov, Parekh and Yakemchuk would not be out of the ordinary.
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There are a few on your list that are not top pairing. I would say 50-66% of them are though. There is a fair amount of the guys you listed as lower end top pairing and higher end top 4D. That's exactly what I am talking about with Silayev. A strong top 4D. The issue here is thinking that some guys are top pairing when they have 1 or 2 good seasons and the rest are more like top 4D quality. Personally, I don't have 64 top pairing guys in the NHL today (32 teams x 2). Just because some guys are in that role to fill the hole, it don't mean they are for all teams kind of thing. Same as Suzuki... #1C on the Habs but not on 15+ teams in the NHL.

That's 8 drafts and I'm assuming you looked from the 2000 draft? 8 in 24 drafts where you found 2+ hits as top pairing. This draft year might be one of those where 2-4 happens? Doubt it
 
Mrb1p said:
Anyone who's actually watched games live knows it's absolute ass and you can't see shit. Gotta stop pushing those old geezers tales. It's 2024, we have dozens angles in a pinch on TV, we have 4k+++ hd40p2pp TV. Scouting on video, especially with the ability to freeze and even slow frames and rewind is much better than in person.
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You want to see what the player is doing behind the play, or away from the puck. How the player reacts after a goal for, or against if he's on the bench.

You want to see how is vision is. There's a fair amount of time that the open player is a player offscreen.

You don't need as many in house viewings, but it's still relevant.
 
Habs Halifax said:
There are a few on your list that are not top pairing. I would say 50-66% of them are though. There is a fair amount of the guys you listed as lower end top pairing and higher end top 4D. That's exactly what I am talking about with Silayev. A strong top 4D. The issue here is thinking that some guys are top pairing when they have 1 or 2 good seasons and the rest are more like top 4D quality. Personally, I don't have 64 top pairing guys in the NHL today (32 teams x 2). Just because some guys are in that role to fill the hole, it don't mean they are for all teams kind of thing. Same as Suzuki... #1C on the Habs but not on 15+ teams in the NHL.

That's 8 drafts and I'm assuming you looked from the 2000 draft? 8 in 24 drafts where you found 2+ hits as top pairing. This draft year might be one of those where 2-4 happens? Doubt it
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Your definition of a top pairing seems to be Norris caliber defenseman. No, those are candidate for top 5 best defenseman in the league, not first pairing defenseman.

Teams more often than not don't have on the regular the likes of Suter, Werenski, Jones, Reilly, Chabot, Morrissey, etc. on their second pairing. Those defenseman would slot in as #2 on the first pair on most team and as #1 defenseman in low level team. To me that is the definition of a first pairing defenseman. You are not gonna get 4 Makar/Karlsson in this season's draft this is common sense. Like you are not going to find 4 Draisaitl level forward this year's draft.

There is a difference between superstar (McDavid, MacKinnon, Kucherov) and first liner (Aho, Barkov, Barzal). Doesn't mean the second group are just "strong 2nd liner").
 
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CristianoRonaldo said:
I don't understand how can someone watch Matheson and come to the conclusion that he has a higher hockey I.Q than Suzuki. :huh:
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Someone who goes a little further than "watching" I guess. And it's not a contest, it's an analysis of where we are to talk about the draft (to define what we need). We've already replaced Matheson with Hutson, what I'm saying is, we need to add IQ on the first 2 lines.
 
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