HF Habs: 2024 NHL Draft Thread

[Estimated_Prophet]

The money line means more to me than any publicly available rankings. You'd be foolish to think there's not people in the know who are making a pretty penny off this.

They don't have anybody "in the know" lol

They are looking at public rankings to determine where the money will be placed.....how is this not obvious to you? Do you actually believe that they employ actual scouts????

The public sites are nonsense as well as the betting lines. The betting lines are perhaps a more accurate reflection of the overall consensus on the public sites but that is all that it is. You would be foolish to think otherwise.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

The lines are dynamic and move according to the bets made by gamblers/fans

But, but, but what about their secret amateur scouting service that has employed so many current and former NHL scouts lol

 

[Hacketts]

Demidov & Surin

This is what I want.

 

[Archijerej]

Basu's piece is certainly telling.

We might have a riot here on draft day.

 

[BergevinBurner]

The lines are dynamic and move according to the bets made by gamblers/fans

That's my point, you can guarantee info gets leaked which leads to large bets which alter the lines.

 

[Archijerej]

I'm one of the biggest pessimists when it comes to the Habs and their decision making but I think there is some overreaction here to the Arpon Basu article. He mentions multiple times that this is just a hypothetical scenario and he could have easily used a different set of forwards and defenceman for the same analysis. He also has the disclaimer early on that he truly doesn't know where the Canadiens stand on either Demidov or Buium, or who they would take in this scenario.

That is not the vibe I'm getting from the article. I'm usually as loyal as it gets towards the front office, but one can smell a PR job from miles away, no matter how many disclaimers Arpon gives.

At the end of the day, it's their call. If they believe they're getting a unique talent in Buium and can address our needs up front in some other ways, be my guest. But people have every right to hold them accountable if it all goes tits up.

 

[HabsForHire]

Demidov > Necas.

Guhle defensive ability > Buium.

It would be the wrong thing to do.

I'd take buium over guhle pretty easily

 

[Kents polished head]

I just don't see any sensible similarity between Buium and Hutson, except for the fact they both are offensive Ds.

Hutson is an highlight reel machine. He's a waterbug out there and is more of a puck carrier than a pure puck mover. Which leaves me hesitant as to what his actual upside is in the show.

Buium is more of a quarterback and a puck mover. He's going to be using his teammates a lot more. He's very good at seeing patterns and using his teammates for give-and-gos both in the defensive and offensive zone. He's a bit smaller than I would prefer him to be but there's actual #1 D upside there.

I'd be really excited if we drafted him. I just don't see a lot of guys in our current D prospects pool who are going to be able to man a PP excluding Hutson anyway.

Mailloux might be there for his shot, but as far as puck distribution goes I just don't see it.

 

[Hacketts]

I'd take buium over guhle pretty easily

two different players, and Guhle is made for the playoffs.

 

[Archijerej]

Luckily this management team does not do things to please the fans... They will take the guy they think will help the team succeed.

And they have every right to do so.

Just like the fans have every right to crucify them if it turns out they have galaxy brained themselves into a massive blunder.

 

[Kents polished head]

I'd take buium over guhle pretty easily

Guhle has gotten overrated around here to the point it's comical seriously.

No shit he's playing 20+ minutes a game. We suck. We finished bottom 5 in the league two years in a row.

He's a nice piece but far from being the untouchable player some fans make him out to be.

He's a very good player. That's not what I'm contesting. But he's the kind of very good player teams trade to get their hands on a player that fills a need.

Then you take the injury proneness into consideration and there's no question he should actually be in play.

 

[HabsForHire]

two different players, and Guhle is made for the playoffs.

I know they are different, doesn't change the fact I still prefer buium.

 

[Doublechin]

I just don't see any sensible similarity between Buium and Hutson, except for the fact they both are offensive Ds.

Hutson is an highlight reel machine. He's a waterbug out there and is more of a puck carrier than a pure puck mover. Which leaves me hesitant as to what his actual upside is in the show.

Buium is more of a quarterback and a puck mover. He's going to be using his teammates a lot more. He's very good at seeing patterns and using his teammates for give-and-gos both in the defensive and offensive zone. He's a bit smaller than I would prefer him to be but there's actual #1 D upside there.

I'd be really excited if we drafted him. I just don't see a lot of guys in our current D prospects pool who are going to be able to man a PP excluding Hutson anyway.

Mailloux might be there for his shot, but as far as puck distribution goes I just don't see it.

The first comparaisons between Buium and Hutson happened like early next year when Buium was showing offensive potential but he was also 5'10

The way he handles the puck while on his stick is the only other comp, I think Hutson has a bit more flashiness while Buium has a bit more of a safe approach but both are very creative.

There's a big difference between them, Buium to me is everything you want in a top end D other than maybe an extra inch and a half to hit 6'2.

I also don't think having Hutson in the lineup is a dead sentence on Buium's PP time, I'd wager against that

 

[Michelangelo]

Édit: wrong thread

 

[Gustave]

I'd take buium over guhle pretty easily

In a vacuum you could very well be right, I’ll concede that.

What I’ll counter you with is this; it sets your development back 3 years. We are actually counting on Guhle because of his age and progress. He’s the “vet” of the new crop, and you are aware that D’s take longer to blossom.

It sets our d squad back too much for my liking. So if Carolina wants Matheson for example I’m good with your trade. But not Guhle. Buium and Guhle could co-exist, I’m not disputing that, I’m only reticent on the back peddling in the formation of our D squad.

 

[Team_Spirit]

Very surprising news today from Elliotte Friedman on 32TP.

“His family advisor and the Jets are not talking, but the only thing I can tell you is that I have heard that Rutger McGroarty has been brought up in trade discussions. »

The 2022 14th overall pick scored 52 points in 36 games for the University of Michigan (NCAA). McGroarty previously announced he was returning to school for his third year. The Jets retain his signing rights for 2 more years.

They can have their 1st and Kovacevic back.

Draft one of the top D + McGroarty.

 

[The Last Red]

The first comparaisons between Buium and Hutson happened like early next year when Buium was showing offensive potential but he was also 5'10

The way he handles the puck while on his stick is the only other comp, I think Hutson has a bit more flashiness while Buium has a bit more of a safe approach but both are very creative.

There's a big difference between them, Buium to me is everything you want in a top end D other than maybe an extra inch and a half to hit 6'2.

I also don't think having Hutson in the lineup is a dead sentence on Buium's PP time, I'd wager against that.

Buium's older brother is 6'4" and was a very later grower, which is genetic. It's almost guaranteed that Buium will get to 6'2", if not more.

 

[Doublechin]

Buium's older brother is 6'4" and was a very later grower, which is genetic. It's almost guaranteed that Buium will get to 6'2", if not more.

I wouldn't guarantee it at all, if it happens it's just icing on the cake

 

[waffledave]

Wikipedia says he’s Israeli American. I don’t know how dual citizenship works wrt the Israeli military, so it’s worth asking. Not sure what’s wrong with asking about it, it’s a genuine question!

He's born in America.

 

[TheBuriedHab]

"A first paring 25 minute offensive defenseman that can play all situations would be a horrible pick"
-Hfboards

 

[The Last Red]

I wouldn't guarantee it at all, if it happens it's just icing on the cake

80 percent chance.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

He's born in America.

Yeah, his family left before he was born, no issues there.

 

[Gravity]

Is there a single report that shows the Habs would take Buium over Demidov?

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

Buium's older brother is 6'4" and was a very later grower, which is genetic. It's almost guaranteed that Buium will get to 6'2", if not more.

His other older brother is pretty big too, he definitely has those genes. We'll see if it means a late growth spurt or not, a lot of families have that one shorter sibling, mine certainly does, my sister is 5ft1 on her best day

 

[sampollock]

Is there a single report that shows the Habs would take Buium over Demidov?

guesses I think only

but really, does anyone know for sure??