HF Habs: 2024 NHL Draft Thread

[jaffy27]

How long before the draft last year did the betting odds start swinging heavily into Slaf's favor?

McKenzie’s final rankings put them neck and neck…..glad we went with Slaf vs Wright and his 7 NHL points

 

[jaffy27]

So you believe that Kent Hughes has let the local beat reporter in on the most carefully guarded organizational information????

Come on buddy, I don't know what is going on with you but you are smarter than this.

Actually, he probably did…..to throw everyone off……as Pacino once said, never let them see you coming

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

yep. I personally think they're list goes as such:

1. Lindstrom
2. Demidov
3. Levshunov
4. Buium
5. Sennecke
6. Parekh
7. Iginla

I'm pretty confident in the order of forwards, the dmen seem a lot harder to rank.

Nobody should be confident about any ranking other than Celebrini at #1 OA

 

[jaffy27]

I'm so bringing popcorn this Friday. What ever happens, I'm sure to see a meltdown in direct.

I'm so glad I don't get super attached to draftees. I just hope the Habs are taking one who isn't going to bust or wants to be traded.

Better bring a bottle of Tequila too (just in case it goes sideways)

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Gut feeling top 15 2024 draft prediction:

1. San Jose - Macklin Celibrini
2. Chicago - Artyom Levshunov
3. Anaheim - Anton Silayev
4. Columbus - Cayden Lidstrom
5. Montreal - Tij Iginla
6. Utah - Ivan Demidov
7. Ottawa - Zeev Buium
8. Seattle - Sam Dickinson
9. Calgary - Berkly Catton
10. New Jersey - Carter Yakemchuk
11. Buffalo - Beckett Sennecke
12. Philadelphia - Cole Eiserman
13. Minnesota - Zayne Parekh
14. San Jose - Konsta Helenius
15. Detroit - Michael Hage

Feel free to applaud or shit on it.

I am gonna do both......kind of like a Blumpkin's more polite cousin lol.

 

[BergevinBurner]

Draft Kings has opened betting for the 4th and 5th picks now. Lindstrom is the heavy favorite for Columbus and Demidov leads the odds for Montreal with Lindstrom and Sennecke close behind. Interesting that ours odds of taking Silayev are higher than Buium.

https://sportsbook.draftkings.com/leagues/8/42133?category=nhl-draft&subcategory=pick-number

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Draft Kings has opened betting for the 4th and 5th picks now. Lindstrom is the heavy favorite for Columbus and Demidov leads the odds for Montreal with Lindstrom and Sennecke close behind. Interesting that ours odds of taking Silayev are higher than Buium.

https://sportsbook.draftkings.com/leagues/8/42133?category=nhl-draft&subcategory=pick-number

Also interesting that betting odds are uninteresting yet are being propped up as being interesting lol

 

[BergevinBurner]

Also interesting that betting odds are uninteresting yet are being propped up as being interesting lol

The money line means more to me than any publicly available rankings. You'd be foolish to think there's not people in the know who are making a pretty penny off this.

 

[Artaud]

Habs fan will riot if they pick Buium. That name sounds just like Bouillon. Imagine picking Bouillon over Demidov. On the plus side, it might help Carey remember his name this time.

 

[Balthazar]

The money line means more to me than any publicly available rankings. You'd be foolish to think there's not people in the know who are making a pretty penny off this.

The lines are dynamic and move according to the bets made by gamblers/fans

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

The money line means more to me than any publicly available rankings. You'd be foolish to think there's not people in the know who are making a pretty penny off this.

They don't have anybody "in the know" lol

They are looking at public rankings to determine where the money will be placed.....how is this not obvious to you? Do you actually believe that they employ actual scouts????

The public sites are nonsense as well as the betting lines. The betting lines are perhaps a more accurate reflection of the overall consensus on the public sites but that is all that it is. You would be foolish to think otherwise.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

The lines are dynamic and move according to the bets made by gamblers/fans

But, but, but what about their secret amateur scouting service that has employed so many current and former NHL scouts lol

 

[Hacketts]

Demidov & Surin

This is what I want.

 

[Archijerej]

Basu's piece is certainly telling.

We might have a riot here on draft day.

 

[BergevinBurner]

The lines are dynamic and move according to the bets made by gamblers/fans

That's my point, you can guarantee info gets leaked which leads to large bets which alter the lines.

 

[Archijerej]

I'm one of the biggest pessimists when it comes to the Habs and their decision making but I think there is some overreaction here to the Arpon Basu article. He mentions multiple times that this is just a hypothetical scenario and he could have easily used a different set of forwards and defenceman for the same analysis. He also has the disclaimer early on that he truly doesn't know where the Canadiens stand on either Demidov or Buium, or who they would take in this scenario.

That is not the vibe I'm getting from the article. I'm usually as loyal as it gets towards the front office, but one can smell a PR job from miles away, no matter how many disclaimers Arpon gives.

At the end of the day, it's their call. If they believe they're getting a unique talent in Buium and can address our needs up front in some other ways, be my guest. But people have every right to hold them accountable if it all goes tits up.

 

[HabsForHire]

Demidov > Necas.

Guhle defensive ability > Buium.

It would be the wrong thing to do.

I'd take buium over guhle pretty easily

 

[Kents polished head]

I just don't see any sensible similarity between Buium and Hutson, except for the fact they both are offensive Ds.

Hutson is an highlight reel machine. He's a waterbug out there and is more of a puck carrier than a pure puck mover. Which leaves me hesitant as to what his actual upside is in the show.

Buium is more of a quarterback and a puck mover. He's going to be using his teammates a lot more. He's very good at seeing patterns and using his teammates for give-and-gos both in the defensive and offensive zone. He's a bit smaller than I would prefer him to be but there's actual #1 D upside there.

I'd be really excited if we drafted him. I just don't see a lot of guys in our current D prospects pool who are going to be able to man a PP excluding Hutson anyway.

Mailloux might be there for his shot, but as far as puck distribution goes I just don't see it.

 

[Hacketts]

I'd take buium over guhle pretty easily

two different players, and Guhle is made for the playoffs.

 

[Archijerej]

Luckily this management team does not do things to please the fans... They will take the guy they think will help the team succeed.

And they have every right to do so.

Just like the fans have every right to crucify them if it turns out they have galaxy brained themselves into a massive blunder.

 

[Kents polished head]

I'd take buium over guhle pretty easily

Guhle has gotten overrated around here to the point it's comical seriously.

No shit he's playing 20+ minutes a game. We suck. We finished bottom 5 in the league two years in a row.

He's a nice piece but far from being the untouchable player some fans make him out to be.

He's a very good player. That's not what I'm contesting. But he's the kind of very good player teams trade to get their hands on a player that fills a need.

Then you take the injury proneness into consideration and there's no question he should actually be in play.

 

[HabsForHire]

two different players, and Guhle is made for the playoffs.

I know they are different, doesn't change the fact I still prefer buium.

 

[Doublechin]

I just don't see any sensible similarity between Buium and Hutson, except for the fact they both are offensive Ds.

Hutson is an highlight reel machine. He's a waterbug out there and is more of a puck carrier than a pure puck mover. Which leaves me hesitant as to what his actual upside is in the show.

Buium is more of a quarterback and a puck mover. He's going to be using his teammates a lot more. He's very good at seeing patterns and using his teammates for give-and-gos both in the defensive and offensive zone. He's a bit smaller than I would prefer him to be but there's actual #1 D upside there.

I'd be really excited if we drafted him. I just don't see a lot of guys in our current D prospects pool who are going to be able to man a PP excluding Hutson anyway.

Mailloux might be there for his shot, but as far as puck distribution goes I just don't see it.

The first comparaisons between Buium and Hutson happened like early next year when Buium was showing offensive potential but he was also 5'10

The way he handles the puck while on his stick is the only other comp, I think Hutson has a bit more flashiness while Buium has a bit more of a safe approach but both are very creative.

There's a big difference between them, Buium to me is everything you want in a top end D other than maybe an extra inch and a half to hit 6'2.

I also don't think having Hutson in the lineup is a dead sentence on Buium's PP time, I'd wager against that

 

[Michelangelo]

Édit: wrong thread

 

[Gustave]

I'd take buium over guhle pretty easily

In a vacuum you could very well be right, I’ll concede that.

What I’ll counter you with is this; it sets your development back 3 years. We are actually counting on Guhle because of his age and progress. He’s the “vet” of the new crop, and you are aware that D’s take longer to blossom.

It sets our d squad back too much for my liking. So if Carolina wants Matheson for example I’m good with your trade. But not Guhle. Buium and Guhle could co-exist, I’m not disputing that, I’m only reticent on the back peddling in the formation of our D squad.