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Who do you want at #5?

  • Tij Iginla

    Votes: 209 49.5%

  • Cole Eiserman

    Votes: 14 3.3%

  • Berkly Catton

    Votes: 92 21.8%

  • Konsta Helenius

    Votes: 13 3.1%

  • Beckett Sennecke

    Votes: 75 17.8%

  • Zayne Parekh

    Votes: 19 4.5%
  • Total voters
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Deebs said:
He very well may. The issue I see with our club is not on defense though, it's on forward. We've lacked in this area for a couple of decades now and have the chance to improve and build without having to go the free agency route for a potential corps player. Seems like a great opportunity to make some headway at forward.

But again, maybe there's a few trades in the works we don't know about and it will all workout fine.
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I agree.

Lets just expand our thought beyond the 5th overall pick to settle our forward issue because it would be dramatic to settle for an average top six F at the expense of a top 10D at 5OV.

Not saying it is what will happen but it is the danger looming on us with wanting a forward instead of wanting the best player.

WeThreeKings said:
I wouldn't be so sure.. he's fine in college, but the NHL is a league with better skaters and bigger forwards. He doesn't have the skating to defend against high end skaters. He doesn't have the build to defend against bigger forwards who lean on the cycle. Who are you having him defend against?

And you are proving my point, he's not first in any category - that makes sense for a team with a lot of needs on their blueline. It doesn't make sense when he is the 2nd option of left shot defenseman already on our team.

A top 5 pick who doesn't play your top PK or top PP isn't a 1D. Not for me. So taking what would amount to situationally your 2/3D at 5.. who is a left shot, our smallest need.. I just can't find the logic in it. Unless you truly, truly believe that his IQ is practically unmatched in the NHL. I can't get there with a degree of certainty. There's more risk in Buium's profile for this franchise than Demidov's, so I would begin to seriously question the thought process of the management team and amateur scouting staff if they came to that conclusion.
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I think Buium would make an awesome top pair with Reinbacher and i think he has both the upside to play top PP and top PK. I think he has the upside to play against team top lines and be a competent PMD.

Well, i respect and appreciate your hindsight and opinion a lot. I understand the malaise it would create if we skip Demidov for Buium. Personally, i would be excited by both as i see them both as gamebreaker.

Friday cant come soon enough
 
Jaynki said:
I agree.

Lets just expand our thought beyond the 5th overall pick to settle our forward issue because it would be dramatic to settle for an average top six F at the expense of a top 10D.
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It's difficult to predict where all these kids end up in the end. As stated, you think Demidov and Lindtrom will be average players and there's nothing wrong with that. You also think Buium is going to be a top 10 D in the league, again, nothing wrong with that.

It's nearly impossible to see the end game for all these players and teams, just hope it all works out.
 
Jaynki said:
This type of thinking led us to KK over Brady Tkachuk. We never had a 1C since 30 years.

The opposite of this type of thinking gaved us Carey Price. We had Theo, and there was Brule !

The failure from the decades and the current needs will only taint our analysis in the wrong way.

Its all about selecting the best at 5, relative to his peers.
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and he was actually 2nd in Bob's last list.

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We are talking about reaching on the left shot defenseman to pass on the consensus top 3 prospect in the entire draft who happens to be the biggest need for the franchise currently.

This has nothing to do with the Kotkaniemi situation, where BPA would have given us Zadina and another bust anyway.

This is literally the team trying to talk themselves out of a situation where a more amenable prospect than Michkov falls to them and they pass on their biggest franchise need, a 2nd year in a row, but this time for what is deemed to be at least the 3rd best defenseman in the class behind Silayev and Levshunov, at your position of greatest organizational STRENGTH and DEPTH.

There's not a logical argument for it. At all. If Demidov is gone, I'd still go elsewhere, but I'd at least understand it. Over Demidov, it just has no rational argument.
 
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Deebs said:
It's difficult to predict where all these kids end up in the end. As stated, you think Demidov and Lindtrom will be average players and there's nothing wrong with that. You also think Buium is going to be a top 10 D in the league, again, nothing wrong with that.

It's nearly impossible to see the end game for all these players and teams, just hope it all works out.
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I think Demidov and Lindstrom have gamebreaking upside. Not average.

I think Buium has top 10D potential.

I will be extremely excited with either of those 3. I would even be excited with Silayev and Iginla.

From a pure mindset point of view tho, i think we could shoot ourselves in the foot with a mindset where we laser focus on F.
 
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They are going to draft Buium then swap Guhle for Necas the same day. Everyone will lose their mind until a week later when they realize it was the right thing to do.
 
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WeThreeKings said:
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and he was actually 2nd in Bob's last list.

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We are talking about reaching on the left shot defenseman to pass on the consensus top 3 prospect in the entire draft who happens to be the biggest need for the franchise currently.

This has nothing to do with the Kotkaniemi situation, where BPA would have given us Zadina and another bust anyway.

This is literally the team trying to talk themselves out of a situation where a more amenable prospect than Michkov falls to them and they pass on their biggest franchise need, a 2nd year in a row, but this time for what is deemed to be at least the 3rd best defenseman in the class behind Silayev and Levshunov, at your position of greatest organizational STRENGTH and DEPTH.

There's not a logical argument for it. At all. If Demidov is gone, I'd still go elsewhere, but I'd at least understand it. Over Demidov, it just has no rational argument.
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I don't want to counter argue any single point because i agree with you on pretty much every points except Buium upside and we have flip flopped a lot on it already.

I also hope we draft Demidov at 5. That would be sincerely f***ing awesome.

Just, there does not need to be any rationale about picking a LD at 5, Buium or whoever other LD there is and the depth we have there is irrelevant in the question. The needs for a forward and our lack there for decades too.

Settling for a top six forward because needs and depth at ld while letting a defenseman who may end up a number 1 in the NHL would be catastrophic and may slow the rebuild.

There is more than one way to acquire top six F and top 4D. There is one single way to acquire elite talent and the focus should be there and only there. Obviously you don't think Buium is that :P
 
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Gut feeling top 15 2024 draft prediction:

1. San Jose - Macklin Celibrini
2. Chicago - Artyom Levshunov
3. Anaheim - Anton Silayev
4. Columbus - Cayden Lidstrom
5. Montreal - Tij Iginla
6. Utah - Ivan Demidov
7. Ottawa - Zeev Buium
8. Seattle - Sam Dickinson
9. Calgary - Berkly Catton
10. New Jersey - Carter Yakemchuk
11. Buffalo - Beckett Sennecke
12. Philadelphia - Cole Eiserman
13. Minnesota - Zayne Parekh
14. San Jose - Konsta Helenius
15. Detroit - Michael Hage

Feel free to applaud or shit on it.
 
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PavelBrendl said:
When was Markov ever the biggest D on the team? The best skater? The most physical? The hardest shooting? The best pure defender? Never. But there’s also very little debate that he was by far the most valuable Defenceman the Habs have had at any point in the last 30 years.

But it’s clear that you value individual tools over anything else so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Markov was picked as a Center prospect in the 6th round. Completely different situation.

If they do indeed pick a LHD at 5, HuGo better have a trade ready to go to get a top 6 forward. And to relieve the log jam at LHD. They can only ice 3-4 lefties per game.

This will only hurt their development as there isn't enough ice time available for all the lefties.
 
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Vachon23 said:
Friedman in the 32 thought this morning
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Very surprising news today from Elliotte Friedman on 32TP.

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GrandmaCookie said:
Gut feeling top 15 2024 draft prediction:

1. San Jose - Macklin Celibrini
2. Chicago - Artyom Levshunov
3. Anaheim - Anton Silayev
4. Columbus - Cayden Lidstrom
5. Montreal - Tij Iginla
6. Utah - Ivan Demidov
7. Ottawa - Zeev Buium
8. Seattle - Sam Dickinson
9. Calgary - Berkly Catton
10. New Jersey - Carter Yakemchuk
11. Buffalo - Beckett Sennecke
12. Philadelphia - Cole Eiserman
13. Minnesota - Zayne Parekh
14. San Jose - Konsta Helenius
15. Detroit - Michael Hage

Feel free to applaud or shit on it.
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Not gonna shit on it but I don't think there's a world where the Habs are going Iginla with Demidov, Sennecke, Bium and Parekh on the board.
 
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WeThreeKings said:
Not gonna shit on it but I don't think there's a world where the Habs are going Iginla with Demidov, Sennecke, Bium and Parekh on the board.
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agreed cant see it either
never pass on demidov for iggs

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WeThreeKings said:
Not gonna shit on it but I don't think there's a world where the Habs are going Iginla with Demidov, Sennecke, Bium and Parekh on the board.
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There isn't such a world. I think/hope we'll leave the draft with one of Demidov, Lindstrom or Buium, in that order. Celebrini, Demidov and Buium are probably the three safest bets to become star players in the NHL, but I could live with Lindstrom given his obvious physical tools - just need to find a good chiropractor.
 
WeThreeKings said:
Not gonna shit on it but I don't think there's a world where the Habs are going Iginla with Demidov, Sennecke, Bium and Parekh on the board.
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Iginla seems like the type of player Montreal would want to add to their core.

After that, Buium and Sennecke are the only type of pick that feel like Montreal pick, can't see Montreal having the guts to pick Demidov but hope they prove me wrong.

Parekh overall defensive game is too flawed to be a picked at #5.
 
Buium is my 3rd ranked prospect in the draft, on a tier with (in order) Iginla, Catton, Dickinson, Sennecke, Levshunov, Lindstrom. I would be very happy with taking him since I think he projects as a player in the mold of Adam Fox, and would take him over any dmen in our system, including Reinbacher.

That being said, passing on Demidov, who is closer to Celebrini than he is to anyone else in the draft, would be a massive mistake for a franchise that has been starved for offensive talent for decades. Passing on Michkov was already insane, but to do the same with Demidov who doesn't have the same "red flags" would be looney to me.
 
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My updated and final top 10.

1. Celebrini
2. Demidov
3. Dickinson
4. Buium
5. Levshunov
6. Iginla
7. Connolly
8. Yakemchuk
9. Sennecke
10. Eiserman

HM: Parekh, Catton

Tough year to make a list since there is not much separation between #3-12 for me.

Lidstrom drops big time because it has been confirmed the injury that sidelined him is a herniated disc. DND in the top 15 for me for that reason because without it he certainly is in my top 10.
 
WeThreeKings said:
Not gonna shit on it but I don't think there's a world where the Habs are going Iginla with Demidov, Sennecke, Bium and Parekh on the board.
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yep. I personally think they're list goes as such:

1. Lindstrom
2. Demidov
3. Levshunov
4. Buium
5. Sennecke
6. Parekh
7. Iginla

I'm pretty confident in the order of forwards, the dmen seem a lot harder to rank.
 
WeThreeKings said:
Be prepared for them to take Buium over Demidov. Basu starting to socialize that to the fan base.

I'll crucify them myself. I let them off the hook on the Reinbacher pick because I liked the player and he filled a clear and dire need.

This one is indefensible.
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So you believe that Kent Hughes has let the local beat reporter in on the most carefully guarded organizational information????

Come on buddy, I don't know what is going on with you but you are smarter than this.
 
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