HF Habs: 2024 NHL Draft Thread

[ryan callahan]

So 5'11">6'0" and 189>191? That's an interesting bit of math there.

189 pounds at 71 inches is obviously larger than 191 pounds at 72 inches. That's what I meant.

When McDavid and Draisaitl were top 4 in points in the league with a collective +5, were they not players that significantly improved their team even if they didn't make the playoffs?

Back then they weren't winning convincingly their 5 on 5 minutes so you could argue their impact on winning hockey games for Edmonton back then wasn't maximized. McDavid and Draisaitl being top 5 on 5 GF% players in the past four years indicates that this is no longer a problem. Keller is gonna turn 26 and he hasn't had a season near that in his career. I stand my point.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

189 pounds at 71 inches is obviously larger than 191 pounds at 72 inches. That's what I meant.


Back then they weren't winning convincingly their 5 on 5 minutes so you could argue their impact on winning hockey games for Edmonton back then wasn't maximized. McDavid and Draisaitl being top 5 on 5 GF% players in the past four years indicate that this is no longer a problem. Keller is gonna turn 26 and he hasn't had a season near that in his career. I stand my point

That logic doesn't really make any sense though. Being denser doesn't mean you're bigger. Is Michael Chandler bigger than Israel Adesanya?

 

[ryan callahan]

That logic doesn't really make any sense though. Being denser doesn't mean you're bigger. Is Michael Chandler bigger than Israel Adesanya?

Again, the point you are trying to make is absolutely useless. They are both basically the same size even though Helenius is slightly smaller in height. It's absolutely asinine to argue that one is big and that one is a small soft player.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I think Iginla stands out for me above Helenius, because he has one true high end hockey tool: his shot.

Helenius strikes me more as a jack-of-all-trades, master of none, but he will likely be able to play as a center.

I think both will be NHL players, but I feel like a player like Iginla is harder to find in the NHL.

Helenius is gonna go in the teens, he's not in the top 8 conversation.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Again, the point you are trying to make is absolutely useless. They are both basically the same size even though Helenius is slightly smaller in height. It's absolutely asinine to argue that one is big and that one is a small soft player.

Agreed, which is why it was silly to say that Iginla was smaller than Helenius

 

[Gustave]

I still am flabbergasted at the thought that Helenius is a small player at 5'11 189 but Iginla gets a ''big'' ''gritty'' powerforward reputation at 6'0 191, when really he is smaller than Helenius. Also Sennecke and Catton are crazy overrated. Sennecke cannot skate and is clunky as hell and Catton is a Keller type where he is gonna be a good player on a bad team.

Your point on size is valid (a lot of size queens in the scouting world and various manegements) but as for Iginla it’s way more of a playing style; he eats boards and plays hard there. It’s a meat and potatoes way of playing, but effective and projectable.

Having him and Slaf as board hounds would be tremendous, even though others would be a good pick at 5.

 

[Gravity]

Have to think there would be a trade to acquire a forward if this ends up happening.

Buium vs. Dickinson?

 

[JGRB]

Buium vs. Dickinson?

I prefer SD, largely due to the fact Hutson and Buium bring similar games.

both are worthy of the #5 pick, in some shape or fashion.

 

[Vachon23]

Demidov
Lindstrom
Levahunov
Dickinson
Iginla

For me

 

[Team_Spirit]

Chicago is sold on this guy

 

[Gravity]

I prefer SD, largely due to the fact Hutson and Buium bring similar games.

both are worthy of the #5 pick, in some shape or fashion.

Yeah same. He's complete and has all the tools to be a #1D

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

Chicago is sold on this guy

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His kids must be so proud of him

 

[MarkovsKnee]

I don't think I've seen as big a gap between tools and production as I see with Parascak. He must just have a once in a lifetime brain because I truly don't understand how he does it.

He's a right place, right time player. He's pretty good at winning board battles with his hands, too.

He knows when to drift into the mid-slot for a quick shot, and get in behind D in the low slot.

He doesn't hang around to get punished, and he always has his stick on the ice.

He's definitely not a play driver, but is a good asset to have to play with one.

 

[Lockin17]

 

[BergevinBurner]

The fact that I don't have a strong preference between Iginla/Sennecke/Catton/Eiserman/Buium/Parekh/Dickinson scares me, we're almost certainly not going to pick the BPA left at 5 just due to the parity of that pack.

I'm not going to lie though, finding out that Dickinson is one of the boys definitely bumps him up my list lol.

 

[McGees]

His kids must be so proud of him

"Upon getting drafted, the first person Levshunov called was his grandson who looks up to him and also wants to become a hockey player one day"

 

[SwiftyHab]

Chicago is sold on this guy

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This looks like a sappy Sears valentines day photoshoot. Love it!

 

[crosbyshow]

I don't think anyone ever mentioned no smaller player can ever be good in the post-season or that big players are all performers. It's weird to even have to mention it. Like, we all follow hockey and we know who performs and what their sizes are. In any case, I was specifying to another poster what the concerns about size usually were, not making any argument, so I'm not even sure what you're replying to.

Perfect so draft the most talented player whatever his size...in that case at 5th if Demidov is gone..Catton is our guy!!!

 

[sampollock]

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Button is nuts

 

[vokiel]

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Aside from Dickinson low and Parekh high, it looks like mine. Swap Helenius and Eiserman also. I usually end up somewhat agreeing with Button and/or McKeen's more or less every draft. I guess we look for similar signs.

 

[WG]

Likely already posted somewhere on this board today but a mock draft from earlier today over at Montreal Hockey Now.

They have the Habs taking Demidov @ 5 and Hemming @ 26.

Top 10
1. Celebrini
2. Levshunov
3. Silayev
4. Lindstrom
5. Demidov
6. Sennecke
7. Parekh
8. Buium
9. Dickinson
10. Iginla

Full article.

https://montrealhockeynow.com/2024/...first-round-results-nhl-draft-all-teams-habs/

Also maybe already cited but Pronman at the Athletic did a mock today, went with the same top 5. The Habs first four picks were Demidov (5) , Surin (26), Stiga (57), and Koivu (70).

I'd take that if that's how the draft fell.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

So the narrative now will be we hope Iggy falls to us instead of reaching for him?

 

[WeThreeKings]

So the narrative now will be we hope Iggy falls to us instead of reaching for him?

No - no one listens to Craig Button and his insane love for two guys he saw play at the Hlinka.

 

[MD thaivuN]

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/craig-s-list-tij-iginla-cole-eiserman-rise-in-final-ranking-1.2136740

Craig Button's final list. WOW.

Guy couldn't stick to his guns with his previous Helenius ranking lol

 

[Vachon23]

Also maybe already cited but Pronman at the Athletic did a mock today, went with the same top 5. The Habs first four picks were Demidov (5) , Surin (26), Stiga (57), and Koivu (70).

I'd take that if that's how the draft fell.

I would love to add Jacob Battaglia in the 2nd-3rd round though but yet it would be awesome