HF Habs: 2024 NHL Draft Thread

[Whitesnake]

Yeah it doesn't make any sense at all.

Here's the other part of it.

If Hutson hits -> he will hit while Buium is still developing in college. He will get PP1 duties and will generally be running the offense from the back-end for Montreal. This makes trading Hutson not an option, so you've essentially created a situation where in a year or two you are trading a 5th overall pick. The chances of getting a 5th overall quality player in a trade for Buium is unlikely - you'd be looking for another team in the same situation with a different surplus and I don't see that unless the Ducks draft Lindstrom but it's easier to fit a 4th big forward into your top 6 than a PP specialist into your top 4 D when you already ahve one.

If Hutson doesn't hit -> his trade value is gone, so flipping him for a forward isn't going to happen. Buium is a good insurance policy and you've mitigated that, but now you still have a hole at forward and no surplus to even investigate a trade.

But if he doesn't hit....I'm not sure I understand why having a hole at forward matters as you'd have a hole on D anyway.....The idea is to draft the best. And deal.

Was Drysdale hitting with Anaheim? If he wasn't...how were they able to get Gauthier for him? And was Mintyukov a bad pick after the Zellwegger pick?

Elsewhere, people talk about depth? Here we talk about having too many good ones?

Also, if Hutson hits....he'll hit this year. Buium with his game will probably be in Montreal in 2025. We won't even know how much Hutson hits as we will be waiting for his 2nd full year. Also. to which extent Buium can't play left?

Personnally, I will have Dickinson ahead of Buium. But not that far ahead. And I TOTALLY understand the love for Buium though if true.

 

[Ozmodiar]

I use the words significant assets. You changed it in your head to "top of the line-up players".
Sorry, I don't consider Verhaeghe a significant asset. I consider him a top 6 or very strong top 9. You can look up his points on a great team all you want. Sometimes there are players that play up in the line-up. Verhaeghe is a 2nd tier talent so no, I don't consider him a significant asset.

Significant Assets:
#1C or #2C
Top 4D
Top line wingers (without a question types)

With Caufield and Hutson and our dreams of being a contender, I feel our fan base thinks of Caufield as a top line winger and Hutson as a top 4D.

Or, you can shift it a bit and say neither of Caufield or Hutson are significant assets? An argument can be made that Caufield is a 2nd line winger and Hutson will be a PP QB but bottom pairing at 5/5. Now watch out for the nit pickers who comprehend this as exactly what I think they are. Wait for it.

3 of the 4 examples I listed in the comment you just replied to have 2 players who are all:
- under 190
- All significant assets
- top of the lineup players
- picked in the first round higher than Caufield

If they don’t qualify, neither do Hutson and Caufield. Very easy to find examples of this, even at the top of the standings.

 

[Habs Halifax]

3 of the 4 examples I listed in the comment you just replied to have 2 players who are all:
- under 190
- All significant assets
- top of the lineup players
- picked in the first round higher than Caufield

If they don’t qualify, neither do Hutson and Caufield. Very easy to find examples of this, even at the top of the standings.

Conversation is over. I explained my significant assets already with good context and you laughed at it and now you want to continue the conversation? That's not the type of conversations I want to have. Sorry. Significant assets to me are top 2C, Top 4D and top line wingers (undisputedly). You changed it to "top of the line-up" to support your angle.

 

[Whitesnake]

having said all of that, that scouting group seems to love something....the growth possibility. In a player's game...or in his body. That's what they had in mind with Reinbacher. That's especially what they had in mind with Slafkovsky. It makes total sense that they have that in mind with Sennecke. I mean, the guy is the PERFECT demonstration of what growth can be. In size and in game. While for Iginla, who I repeat I love and will have ahead of Sennecke, what you see, is what you'Ll get. Which is awesome. But he's more predictable.

Seems that our group loves the casino.

 

[WeThreeKings]

But if he doesn't hit....I'm not sure I understand why having a hole at forward matters as you'd have a hole on D anyway.....The idea is to draft the best. And deal.

Was Drysdale hitting with Anaheim? If he wasn't...how were they able to get Gauthier for him? And was Mintyukov a bad pick after the Zellwegger pick?

Elsewhere, people talk about depth? Here we talk about having too many good ones?

Also, if Hutson hits....he'll hit this year. Buium with his game will probably be in Montreal in 2025. We won't even know how much Hutson hits as we will be waiting for his 2nd full year. Also. to which extent Buium can't play left?

Personnally, I will have Dickinson ahead of Buium. But not that far ahead. And I TOTALLY understand the love for Buium though if true.

If he doesn't hit the chances are Buium doesn't hit either, they have the same weaknesses minus Hutson being a couple inches smaller. That's the whole issue - I wouldn't do Dickinson either because you're running up against a similar prospect to Guhle and in both cases, Hutson and Guhle have shown more certainty to being a contributing and impactful member of a NHL team. There's top 5 busts every year, Dickinson or Buium could be those top 5 busts, and if we are busting a top 5 pick for another iteration of what we already have in house - that failure is compounded.

Drysdale wasn't hitting with Anaheim - I have no idea what Philly was doing but the issue there is that we could never be in on the Gauthier trade. He held the cards as far as I'm not signing with Philly and I'm not gonna sign with you, or you, or you, so that was the best option they had available to them of teams he would sign with. We were not one of those teams. Hoping for a situation like that to present itself again is like waiting to get hit by lightning.

I understand some people love Buium and I love Dickinson too. I can't get behind them as options for Montreal at 5 - it doesn't address a need. It doesn't materially make the team better compared to options we already have in house and there are other very good prospects that will be available to us that doesn't involve such gymnastics to make it make sense.

 

[Saundies]

Since Buium is the flavor of the day, I'm fine taking him if we also trade a D for some forward help.

Him, Dickinson and Parekh are the 3 D I'm comfortable taking (not in that order.. probably SD, ZB, ZP in order) . Anyone else, I'm not going to like it.

 

[BeliveauFan4ever]

I still love Dickinson and what he would bring to the Habs but I’m shifting toward ‘definitely want a forward’ at 5, and if Habs keep 26, or bump it up, I want another forward.

Dual injection of offense.

The emptiness of the Forward Cupboard is one helluva squeaky wheel. No slight intended, but while Beck seems to be charting a proper course, and I guess Roy as well, the other forwards, from my perspective, may not qualify for Top 12. Kapanen? Looking ‘on track’, should include him.

Habs need a play-driving/play driver. They need a sniper. They need a couple of strong-skating, bigger bodied, dastardly-competitive wingers that can contrib ‘some’ offense, too; a couple of drive’em crazy workaholics.

Love Dach, but the injuries are worrisome.

Lots of shopping to do up front. Seven picks in the Top 3 rounds next year is nice, but looking at the cupboard, it is not a luxury. Not there, not yet.

 

[austin316]

having said all of that, that scouting group seems to love something....the growth possibility. In a player's game...or in his body. That's what they had in mind with Reinbacher. That's especially what they had in mind with Slafkovsky. It makes total sense that they have that in mind with Sennecke. I mean, the guy is the PERFECT demonstration of what growth can be. In size and in game. While for Iginla, who I repeat I love and will have ahead of Sennecke, what you see, is what you'Ll get. Which is awesome. But he's more predictable.

Seems that our group loves the casino.

I agree. The more time I’ve had to digest this I think Sennecke is our guy.

 

[Saundies]

I still love Dickinson and what he would bring to the Habs but I’m shifting toward ‘definitely want a forward’ at 5, and if Habs keep 26, or bump it up, I want another forward.

Dual injection of offense.

The emptiness of the Forward Cupboard is one helluva squeaky wheel. No slight intended, but while Beck seems to be charting a proper course, and I guess Roy as well, the other forwards, from my perspective, may not qualify for Top 12.

Habs need a play-driving/play driver. They need a sniper. They need a couple of strong-skating, bigger bodied, dastardly-competitive wingers that can contrib ‘some’ offense, too; a couple of drive’em crazy workaholics.

Lots of shopping to do up front. Seven picks in the Top 3 rounds next year is nice, but looking at the cupboard, it is not a luxury. Not there, not yet.

Right?

I understand not drafting for need and getting BPA, I really do. But yeeeeeesh is our forward cupboard bare right now.

Right now I do trust Kent and company to do SOMETHING about it. Whether it's drafting someone or trading for someone, I expect them to make a move to shore it up. If not, well..

 

[NotProkofievian]

Okay we gotta draft Buium now, for the memes.

 

[Rozz]

we're getting into that true crazy time of year ... ahh the hot takes are getting crazier and those championing their guys are getting louder... good times! means the draft is close

I'm pretty set on my order now... but I'm not going to be mad at any one if these taken from this list.. I'll just be a bit more excited for a few of them than the others

1.Demidov
2. Catton (yeah I know they not likely looking at him.. but hes a close second to demidov for me)
3. Lindstrom
4. Levshunov
5. Iginla
6. Buium
7. Sennecke (the least exciting for me... but what the f*** do I know? lol)

but dear God, please let Demidov fall to us... that will make me legit lose it in the best of ways

 

[Saundies]

we're getting into that true crazy time of year ... ahh the hot takes are getting crazier and those championing their guys are getting louder... good times! means the draft is close

I'm pretty set on my order now... but I'm not going to be mad at any one if these taken from this list.. I'll just be a bit more excited for a few of them than the others

1.Demidov
2. Catton (yeah I know they not likely looking at him.. but hes a close second to demidov for me)
3. Lindstrom
4. Levshunov
5. Iginla
6. Buium
7. Sennecke (the least exciting for me... but what the f*** do I know? lol)

but dear God, please let Demidov fall to us... that will make me legit lose it in the best of ways

My order would be

1) DEMIGOD
2) Lindstrom
3) Iginla
4) Catton
5) Sennecke
6) Dickinson
7) Buium
8)Parekh
9) The rest

 

[WeThreeKings]

Reposting my top 10 since others are doing it.

Name​	Position​	League​
Macklin Celebrini​	C​	NCAA​
Ivan Demidov​	F​	MHL​
Berkly Catton​	C​	WHL​
Cayden Lindstrom​	C​	WHL​
Beckett Sennecke​	RW​	OHL​
Zayne Parekh​	RHD​	OHL​
Sam Dickinson​	LHD​	OHL​
Artyom Levshunov​	RHD​	NCAA​
Tij Iginla​	LW​	WHL​
Carter Yakemchuk​	RHD​	WHL​

 

[Ozmodiar]

Conversation is over. I explained my significant assets already with good context and you laughed at it and now you want to continue the conversation? That's not the type of conversations I want to have. Sorry. Significant assets to me are top 2C, Top 4D and top line wingers (undisputedly). You changed it to "top of the line-up" to support your angle.

They all qualify if CC and Hutson qualify. Take a moment to read the bullet points.

They all match your constraints. 2C, top line, top D.

If you’re unfamiliar with any of the players I can provide more info.

 

[Rozz]

My order would be

1) DEMIGOD
2) Lindstrom
3) Iginla
4) Catton
5) Sennecke
6) Dickinson
7) Buium
8)Parekh
9) The rest

good list! I really can't knock most of the lists I see here... like, I may have a guy higher or lower than another. but in this draft especially I can see the argument for most of these kids

 

[Ozmodiar]

Reposting my top 10 since others are doing it.

Name​	Position​	League​
Macklin Celebrini​	C​	NCAA​
Ivan Demidov​	F​	MHL​
Berkly Catton​	C​	WHL​
Cayden Lindstrom​	C​	WHL​
Beckett Sennecke​	RW​	OHL​
Zayne Parekh​	RHD​	OHL​
Sam Dickinson​	LHD​	OHL​
Artyom Levshunov​	RHD​	NCAA​
Tij Iginla​	LW​	WHL​
Carter Yakemchuk​	RHD​	WHL​

I don’t mind the order but you must really not want them to pick a D.
I’d shuffle a few up the stack.

 

[Habs Halifax]

They all qualify if CC and Hutson qualify. Take a moment to read the bullet points.

They all match your constraints. 2C, top line, top D.

If you’re unfamiliar with any of the players I can provide more info.

If you want a genuine conversation... don't laugh at a post and then proceed to continue the conversation expecting respect and engagement. . Next time, laugh and move on.

Not repeating myself. I said what I said and stand by it.

 

[A Loyal Demidog]

It only makes sense if we go for Boo-ium, considering we already have Ghool-e.
We are the October Cup perennial champions.

 

[Rozz]

Reposting my top 10 since others are doing it.

Name​	Position​	League​
Macklin Celebrini​	C​	NCAA​
Ivan Demidov​	F​	MHL​
Berkly Catton​	C​	WHL​
Cayden Lindstrom​	C​	WHL​
Beckett Sennecke​	RW​	OHL​
Zayne Parekh​	RHD​	OHL​
Sam Dickinson​	LHD​	OHL​
Artyom Levshunov​	RHD​	NCAA​
Tij Iginla​	LW​	WHL​
Carter Yakemchuk​	RHD​	WHL​

great list as always! I especially love 1- 4 lol

 

[Canadienna]

Friedman on 32T today said he's heard there's one team drumming up all kinds of nasty rumours and bad info on Demidov because they want him to drop to them.

KH?

 

[sampollock]

Friedman on 32T today said he's heard there's one team drumming up all kinds of nasty rumours and bad info on Demidov because they want him to drop to them.

KH?

haha the games

 

[Trabdy2]

If we take a defenceman with our 5th overall pick, I'm pretty certain there will be a trade made for a player like Necas (or Zegras - I'm not a big fan myself) to bring help to our Top 6. I can't imagine us going into another season with the same "bleak" outlook in terms of top 6 forwards in our organization and going into our 4th year after three years of "tanking".

I'm guessing that trade will involve one of our defencemen and/or the 26th overall pick.

 

[The Great Weal]

Big Dick Kent will pick Dickinson then trade Mailloux+ to pick Catton.

Catton-Suzuki-Slaf
CC-Dach-Roy

Dickinson-Reinbacher
Hutson-Guhle

 

[TheBuriedHab]

1. Celebrini
2. Demidov
3. Silayev
4. Buium
5. Sennecke
6. Lindstrom
7. Dickinson
8. Iginla
9. Yakemchuk
10. Levshunov

If Demidov is gone at 5 I'd strongly consider Buium. Glad to see the Habs have smartened up and seem to be entertaining the idea of taking him.

The talk of not taking Buium because we have Hutson was always silly.

 

[McGees]

1. Celebrini
2. Demidov
3. Buium
4. Lindstrom
5. Levshunov
6. Iggy
7. Dickinson
8. Sennecke
9. Catton
10. Parekh