HF Habs: 2024 NHL Draft Thread

[SannywithoutCompy]

People talk about our smaller players being injury prone as if Dach and Guhle haven't been the ones missing significant time

 

[Andrei79]

People talk about our smaller players being injury prone as if Dach and Guhle haven't been the ones missing significant time

Is it about being injury prone ?

Concerns about size is usually moreso about how they will physically handle the play in the post-season, meaning will they be able to play their game or be shut down as the games get tighter. The other concern is will they be able to impose themselves physically without the puck in shut down roles which is equally as important.

 

[salbutera]

1. Listening to Chris Peters: Demidov is insistent he will not sign an extension beyond next season. He's not doing the on ice piece due to an ankle injury but he's resuming duties in 2 weeks. Between 5'11-6'0 right now.
   
   
2. Still unclear if this is pushing his stock up or not, belief is he is going top 5
   
   
3. Difficult to get a read on who is really interested on Demidov
   
   
4. But has cooled some concerns about him.
   
   
5. Growing belief that Sennecke is a top 10 pick but push into that 6-7-8 range.
   
   
6. Coming out of the combine ,the Sennecke love was apparent more than going into it.
   
   
7. No hope that he will be there after 10 - Utah, Ottawa as destinations.
   
   
8. No one clear on what Anaheim is going to do at 3.
   
   
9. Named Yakemchuk, Silayev, Lindstrom, Demidov, Levshunov for Anaheim
   
   
10. Luchanko sneak into the 15-20 range.
    
    
11. Fewer than 22 teams will list Trevor Connelly on their draft board - still thinks he goes round 1. But he did himself no favors at the combine. Teams did their due diligence of course.
    
    
12. Doesn't believe anything at the combine materially changed how things will unfold at the top of the draft.
    the russian combine*
    
    
13. One concern even if he doesn't extend is that if SKA pushes him into the MHL next year, he won't be ready to go into the NHL right away, so how willing is he to go to the AHL or the junior and develop? Mentions Kravtsov as a horror story to what happens when you bounce around like that.

Talking Hockey Sense: NHL Draft Buzz And Rumors On Ivan Demidov, Beckett Sennecke, Anaheim Ducks And More; Listener Q&A

As the 2024 NHL Draft approaches, Chris Peters shares the latest buzz around the top of the draft, trade rumors and answers listener questions.

www.flohockey.tv

 

[habsfan891]

Taking Buium at 5 over Demidov would have the entire city of Montreal burning to the ground.

I would fly up to help them what a dumbass pick that would be.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Demidov and Buium are 2 and 3 for me, but Buium is not on the same tier as Demidov IMO

 

[austin316]

I know I have questioned Sennecke in the past weeks but the more I’ve thought on it I want him at #5, even ahead of Lindstrom and Demidov. The thought of a 6’4 winger with his mitts is very enticing….

I really wish we had two top 15 picks.

 

[WeThreeKings]

They aren't comparable situations at all to me.

How aren't they?

If Demidov isn't NHL ready at the end of this year - he wants to come over to NA right away. So the option is either junior or the AHL. If he doesn't like being in those leagues, the same way Kravtsov didn't, and decides to sign back into the KHL for his development - it becomes the same type of thing that happened with Kravtsov.

That's the concern that he won't be NHL ready so what does his development look like in NA and will he have the ability to withstand the culture shock, playing in the AHL, riding the bus, in a foreign land, or will he go back to the KHL and have a tumultuous development situation similar to Kravtsov?

They aren't saying they are the same quality of prospect, just talking about the development pitfalls that can be there in his situation.

I know I have questioned Sennecke in the past weeks but the more I’ve thought on it I want him at #5, even ahead of Lindstrom and Demidov. The thought of a 6’4 winger with his mitts is very enticing….

I really wish we had two top 15 picks.

This is generally what happens when people -actually- watch Sennecke.

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

I'm sure Norman Flynn thinks the Habs should trade the pick for Barclay Goodrow.

"Des Demidov, Iginla, Buium ce sont des petits joueurs, tu en as déjà dans l'équipe, avec Cole Caufield, Suzuki, Newhook, tandis que les grands attaquants comme Goodrow, ça ne court pas les rues. Donc oui, je suis prêt à donner le 5th choix au total pour Goodrow."

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

How aren't they?

If Demidov isn't NHL ready at the end of this year - he wants to come over to NA right away. So the option is either junior or the AHL. If he doesn't like being in those leagues, the same way Kravtsov didn't, and decides to sign back into the KHL for his development - it becomes the same type of thing that happened with Kravtsov.

That's the concern that he won't be NHL ready so what does his development look like in NA and will he have the ability to withstand the culture shock, playing in the AHL, riding the bus, in a foreign land, or will he go back to the KHL and have a tumultuous development situation similar to Kravtsov?

They aren't saying they are the same quality of prospect, just talking about the development pitfalls that can be there in his situation.



This is generally what happens when people -actually- watch Sennecke.

The only thing that's iffy on sennecke is his skating and that might be due to the growth spurt. I just hope it's that and not a lack of skating skill like KK

 

[McGees]

The only thing that's iffy on sennecke is his skating and that might be due to the growth spurt. I just hope it's that and not a lack of skating skill like KK

 

[le_sean]

The only thing that's iffy on sennecke is his skating and that might be due to the growth spurt. I just hope it's that and not a lack of skating skill like KK

I can’t imagine walking after having grown that much in a year, let alone doing crossovers.

Anyways, it’s all up to how he interviewed. Is he aware of what he needs to improve? if so, is he determined to improve? And if so, is he willing to listen to advice on how to improve?

I feel like KK and Galchenyuk didn’t say yes to the 3rd option. They just did their own thing listening to daddy. Galchenyuk more concerned about having rock hard abs. KK, more concerned about trolling.

 

[McGees]

Talking Hockey Sense: NHL Draft Buzz And Rumors On Ivan Demidov, Beckett Sennecke, Anaheim Ducks And More; Listener Q&A

As the 2024 NHL Draft approaches, Chris Peters shares the latest buzz around the top of the draft, trade rumors and answers listener questions.

www.flohockey.tv

I'm kinda sad Chris didn't answer my question on this episode.

"Hey Chris, long time listener, first time caller.
I was just curious how much upside is left for players that are 37 years old like Levshunov?"

 

[Jaynki]

I'm not taking a 2 inch taller Hutson at 5.

That is one hell of a convincing argument in favour of Buium tho.

I don't think he is overhyped tho, he indeed played in a strong program but he was also the leader of this program as a 17YO.

His resume is incredible and i believe he has a case for BPA against any forward in this draft not named Celebrini.

Also, his toolkit is not impressive, from a physical standpoint (skating, hands, shooting for example) i agree. But his hockey IQ is elite, top of the class and that is the most important trait for me.

He is not the best offensive dman of the class, nor the most physical or biggest but he excels at a very high level in every single one of those categories.

I can totally envision Buium being a true 1D with norris nomination. (Ceiling). He does not have the rock-solid big top pair archetype of a Lev, Dickinson or Silayev, but imo, he simply has an higher ceiling than those.

The guy has killed the NCAA at 17, that is big, he is probably coming at the end of next season and although we have many LDs, he would be top of the list.

He is my personal favourite at 5. In fact, he is 2nd on my worthless list. One possible scenario is that he becames a 1D and with Reinbacher will gives us one of the best pairing in the league. We will be in a spot to deal from a position of strenght and the forward we may acquire trading one of our young Ds may be better than the forward we would draft instead.

I also think Buium displays the human qualities we saw in Slaf and Reinbacher. Starpower, charisma, humble confidence, ability to handle the MTL market, etc.

Finally, some forward have great profile indeed, and we are in dire need for offensive punch, but i don't know, i am simply higher on the top defenseman in this class. There is many valid question marks on the forward beside Celebrini and although they are great prospects and we could absolutely benefit from them, i don't think there are players with superstar upside like Buium has, in my humble opinion.

 

[McGees]

That is one hell of a convincing argument in favour of Buium tho.

I don't think he is overhyped tho, he indeed played in a strong program but he was also the leader of this program as a 17YO.

His resume is incredible and i believe he has a case for BPA against any forward in this draft not named Celebrini.

Also, his toolkit is not impressive, from a physical standpoint (skating, hands, shooting for example) i agree. But his hockey IQ is elite, top of the class and that is the most important trait for me.

He is not the best offensive dman of the class, nor the most physical or biggest but he excels at a very high level in every single one of those categories.

I can totally envision Buium being a true 1D with norris nomination. (Ceiling). He does not have the rock-solid big top pair archetype of a Lev, Dickinson or Silayev, but imo, he simply has an higher ceiling than those.

The guy has killed the NCAA at 17, that is big, he is probably coming at the end of next season and although we have many LDs, he would be top of the list.

He is my personal favourite at 5. In fact, he is 2nd on my worthless lost. One possible scenario is that he becames a 1D and with Reinbacher will gives us one of the best pairing in the league. We will be in a spot to deal from a position of strenght and the forward we may acquire trading one of our young Ds may be better than the forward we would draft instead.

I also think Buium displays the human qualities we saw in Slaf and Reinbacher. Starpower, charisma, humble confidence, ability to handle the MTL market, etc.

yes.
Will be a star.
Happy to revisit and bookmark everyone that doesn't see this.

 

[le_sean]

Also, his toolkit is not impressive, from a physical standpoint (skating, hands, shooting for example) i agree. But his hockey IQ is elite, top of the class and that is the most important trait for me.

He is not the best offensive dman of the class, nor the most physical or biggest but he excels at a very high level in every single one of those categories.

Then at that point I’d rather take a chance at the toolsy Dickinson. Because if not, you’re just banking on Buium having the best hockey sense in the NHL in order to carve out a career. I don’t think that’s a smart risk to take at 5.

 

[Jaynki]

Then at that point I’d rather take a chance at the toolsy Dickinson. Because if not, you’re just banking on Buium having the best hockey sense in the NHL in order to carve out a career. I don’t think that’s a smart risk to take at 5.

Its a question of preference.

Levshunov, Silayev, Dickinson, Parekh, Buium.

Its a matter of preference as they all have things going for them and question marks.

Dickinson is awesome and fits the archetype ofa big, smooth skating, athletic top pair dman with one hell of a cannon.

I personally believe Buium ceiling is in the tier of Makar, Hughes and Fox. I don't see that in any other defenseman, maybe Parekh but im less fond of the profile. Although i see good top pairing D. As for the top forward, same things, i see good top six players with very interesting profile but i don't see any forward with that superstar upside that i believe Buium has.

I think he is 2nd to Celebrini in terms of pure upside.

That is just my personal opinion tho.

 

[crosbyshow]

Is it about being injury prone ?

Concerns about size is usually moreso about how they will physically handle the play in the post-season, meaning will they be able to play their game or be shut down as the games get tighter. The other concern is will they be able to impose themselves physically without the puck in shut down roles which is equally as important.

Are you talking about 6.3 Auston Matthews and 6.4 Joe Thornton in the playoffs?

Cause in their career they imposed nothing in the playoffs.

On the other hand, Smurf like St Louis Lane , Yzerman, Naslund , Marchesseaut etc etc completely lost them in the dust in the playoffs

 

[G0bias]

Everyone is assuming Ducks are set on taking a D but even they are probably strongly considering Demidov.

If I were to put money down right now, both Demidov and Lindstrom will be gone and Habs go Sennecke.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

I'm kinda sad Chris didn't answer my question on this episode.

"Hey Chris, long time listener, first time caller.
I was just curious how much upside is left for players that are 37 years old like Levshunov?"

On the other hand, he has to send his kids to college pretty soon, so I guess he's more motivated than most to succeed and make some money fast

 

[le_sean]

Its a question of preference.

Levshunov, Silayev, Dickinson, Parekh, Buium.

Its a matter of preference as they all have things going for them and question marks.

Dickinson is awesome and fits the archetype ofa big, smooth skating, athletic top pair dman with one hell of a cannon.

I personally believe Buium ceiling is in the tier of Makar, Hughes and Fox. I don't see that in any other defenseman, maybe Parekh but im less fond of the profile. Although i see good top pairing D. As for the top forward, same things, i see good top six players with very interesting profile but i don't see any forward with that superstar upside that i believe Buium has.

I think he is 2nd to Celebrini in terms of pure upside.

That is just my personal opinion tho.

That’s fair. I think typically you need at least 2 elite traits in order to become a consistent top player in the NHL. Adam Fox is an outlier unless we say vision and hockey sense are different traits. We’d have to bank on Buium becoming Adam Fox to make him a worthwhile 5th pick. It’s a tall order.

 

[Riggins]

If they were to pick Buium #5 I'm confident they'd have something else up their sleeve to get forward help.

A Buium-Reinbacher pairing sounds pretty damn good to me.

I remember reading we shouldn't even think about drafting Quinn Hughes because we already had Victor Mete.

 

[Jaynki]

That’s fair. I think typically you need at least 2 elite traits in order to become a consistent top player in the NHL. Adam Fox is an outlier unless we say vision and hockey sense are different traits. We’d have to bank on Buium becoming Adam Fox to make him a worthwhile 5th pick. It’s a tall order.

Its a tall order indeed because we are speaking of the best Ds in the world. We can only speculate but in my opinion, Buium is exactly on this track.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Draft is in like a week boys! Get hype

 

[Artaud]

Everyone is assuming Ducks are set on taking a D but even they are probably strongly considering Demidov.

If I were to put money down right now, both Demidov and Lindstrom will be gone and Habs go Sennecke.

I don't view Sennecke as a consolation prize. I don't care that he would be considered a reach.

A reach is defined by reference to the hundreds of lists internet scouts create by copying each other's takes. Steals and reaches are little more than memes.

Sennecke's upside is such that he could end up the best player in the draft. That's usually worth a top 5 pick.

 

[badfish]

Buium plays a roving style, but a lot of time on faceoffs/rush plays he's coming up the right side. I'm thinking Montreal thinks he may be a left handed RD, which makes it easier to see where he could slot within the line-up.

As posters pointed out, his play style is very reminiscent of Lane Hutson. If management is still not sure about Hutson, then maybe the best course of action is to draft Buium as a "hedge," especially if none of any remaining forwards are projected to have more than say, a 2nd line impact. If both Hutson and Buium hit, then you can trade one, and defensemen of that nature are rare and in high demand. If Buium hits and Hutson's size limits him too much, you'll be thankful you had the back-up given how rare these types of players are. If Hutson hits and Buium busts, then you'll be disappointed you wasted a top-5 pick, but I have a hard time picturing Buium not playing in the NHL. Of course there's a chance that neither hit, and that's a worse case scenario.

Still, if you're thinking a cup contender has certain archetypes to fill, and a #1 PP D quarterback is one of them, it's understandable why you might go this route especially if the forwards aren't interesting.

With all that being said, I am hopeful that one of Demidov or Lindstrom falls to Montreal, but in a situation where the top 4 is Celebrini/Lev/Demidov/Lindstrom I'd be very comfortable going for Buium over the rest.