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Who do you want at #5?

  • Tij Iginla

    Votes: 209 49.5%
  • Cole Eiserman

    Votes: 14 3.3%
  • Berkly Catton

    Votes: 92 21.8%
  • Konsta Helenius

    Votes: 13 3.1%
  • Beckett Sennecke

    Votes: 75 17.8%
  • Zayne Parekh

    Votes: 19 4.5%

  • Total voters
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Lafleurs Guy

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I didn't mind them at first but you've said the same thing a hundred times over now, I don't know how you have the energy to repeat yourself on it anymore. I guess probably in the same way I'm gonna bitch and moan about missing on Lindstrom and Demidov thanks to this combine, so actually do you buddy, I get it.
1. I like poking the bear on an unpopular player that I think is being overly dissed.

2. I think it's kinda funny to see people talk about how proven (insert their favourite player here) is vs another one who's unproven... while a guy with the most goals ever is outside the top ten. My point was simply that there are other factors that scouts are taking into consideration. Senneke may not have the resume of some - but he has other factors they're looking at. No other example is more clear than Eiserman. Tons of stats but red flags.
 

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Luckily I won’t freak out if we pick any of
Lindstrom
Demidov
Iggy
Sennecke
Buium
Dickinson
Parekh
Catton
As I’m not delusional enough to think I know better than a full team of professional scouts with way more info than us.

If we pick Eiserman tho...
I will unleash fury unlike HFBoards has never seen before.
 
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Whitesnake

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Let me give you a potential scout breakdown and you play GM.

Buium will be a good top 4D at min. Iggy will be a top 6F at min. Iggy has the better chance to be a top line forward vs Buium being a top pairing defenseman.

Top 4D's are worth more than top 6F. Would you agree? If so, how do you manage your decision where the top 6F has a higher chance to reach top line vs the top 4D reaching top pairing.

How do you make your decision with your BPA strategy? Explain
Actually, if that thought process is exactly as you described...either one could be BPA. No doubt. Nobody would ever dream to say that going with Iginla instaed of Buium was going against BPA. While, for the Habs, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to say that going for Buium instead of Iginla was not BPA especially since of all the lefties we have.

BPA doesn't give you EXACTLY the name of the guy you HAVE to pick. BPA is mostly what NEEDS isn't.
 
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sampollock

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Let's save the MB stuff for another thread.

I like where going now. High picks, trading for prospects, good development... exactly what we've been clamouring for. At a minimum, there's a plan in place and they're committed to it. We haven't had that in forever.
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this is all about the prospects that are now

Best part of the draft being over is Lafleurs Guy will stop posting about Eiserman. Love ya bud
and me about Lidstorm lol
 
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Whitesnake

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Tell me what he’s done to separate himself from guys like Connelly, Hage, Luchanko, Greentree, Boisvert, etc, all of whom are ranked by most lists in the 16-17 to ~25 range. I’d take a few of guys over Sennecke no problem. Those are his cohorts, not Iginla, Catton, Eiserman - and certainly not Lindstrom or Demidov.
Sennecke is the bet that a 6'3 and growing could bring with him the skills that a 5'10 guy usually have. Sennecke is also the guy who improved his offensive numbers by a lot from January.

While not MY pick, Sennecke would NO CONTEST, be the prospect that will be the most interesting to follow for all those reasons.

What he does have that the others you named doesn't have? Well....Connolly, it has to NOT do with hockey....Hage? I'd agree with you. While the other 3, and I'm a fan of the other 3....have deficiencies that he doesn't have. Luchanko doesn't strike me as a guy who could be top 6. Same with Boisvert who could be a formidable No3 C. Greentree? Skating. IQ. But we have to respect his points.

for Sennecke, there are 2 concerning things....hopefully he'll use his body to be more physical. And...doesn't matter that he improved his stats in January, it didn't happen a lot in the history of drafts that a player got around the same number of points, back to back year...and be succesful top 6 player. Mind you...the whole growing thing might explain why.

But somehow, while we love to shout who is the product of...somehow...nobody does that with him and his pairing with Calum Ritchie that also incidentally was the reason why he improved his points from January.

So in essence...does is the risk worth it? Or could you be satisfied with a 47-goal scorer like Iginla who brings everything on the table that you want your team to play like.
 
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Sennecke is the bet that a 6'3 and growing could bring with him the skills that a 5'10 guy usually have. Sennecke is also the guy who improved his offensive numbers by a lot from January.

While not MY pick, Sennecke would NO CONTEST, be the prospect that will be the most interesting to follow for all those reasons.

What he does have that the others you named doesn't have? Well....Connolly, it has to NOT do with hockey....Hage? I'd agree with you. While the other 3, and I'm a fan of the other 3....have deficiencies that he doesn't have. Luchanko doesn't strike me as a guy who could be top 6. Same with Boisvert who could be a formidable No3 C. Greentree? Skating. IQ. But we have to respect his points.

for Sennecke, there are 2 concerning things....hopefully he'll use his body to be more physical. And...doesn't matter that he improved his stats in January, it didn't happen a lot in the history of drafts that a player got around the same number of points, back to back year...and be succesful top 6 player. Mind you...the whole growing thing might explain why.

But somehow, while we love to shout who is the product of...somehow...nobody does that with him and his pairing with Calum Ritchie that also incidentally was the reason why he improved his points from January.

So in essence...does is the risk worth it? Or could you be satisfied with a 47-goal scorer like Iginla who brings everything on the table that you want your team to play like.

That's what it all comes down to as far as I'm concerned.

If we were Buffalo with tons of really, really good forward prospects, I'd be hell... why not just throw the dice on this one and see if he turns out special. It might still not be my pick to do so, but I'd at least GET the train of thought.

In the situation we're in though? Just play the odds man. This pick not panning out could single-handedly ruin the rebuild. We MUST score a guy who's likely to reach his potential here.

If it's not a forward, well draft the best D available and then manage the assets and use your surplus to fix a weakness.
 

Whitesnake

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I hate to agree with McCagg...but Vanacker with the end of our 1st round pick? Yeah, I'm in. Kid will be insane to play against. A Lehkonen.
 
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Archijerej

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Reading the discussion it seems this year's draft is going to be the most exiting in recent years.

The biggest question for me, though, is this: if we draft Buium, are we grown up enough not to send him any Auschwitz jokes?
 
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While the other 3, and I'm a fan of the other 3....have deficiencies that he doesn't have. Luchanko doesn't strike me as a guy who could be top 6. Same with Boisvert who could be a formidable No3 C. Greentree? Skating. IQ. But we have to respect his points.
Yes, I agree, and that’s what I’m saying; neither does Sennecke. He’s in there with these type of guys. Again, what has he done to separate himself from them? You’re going to have to give me more than a hunch or gut feeling, something tangible.

As for your point about Sennecke’s growth/frame, it doesn’t matter all that much to me because he doesn’t play at all physical, and he’s not good defensively. Thats not his game, and his extra size isn’t going to help the way he plays. Like you said, he plays like a 5’10” player. His size isn’t going to factor in all that much unless he completely changes how he plays the game.

As for Greentree, I have him above Sennecke. He plays a more projectable game, does all the little things well, is a leader, is bigger and actually plays physical, good defensively, and has a better shot. He’s better down in the corners and along the boards. He’s much more consistent and works harder. Even if he doesn’t pan out offensively, there’s a very good chance he’ll still be a useful player at the next level. Can’t say the same for Sennecke.

And on top of all that, he produced nearly 50% more than Sennecke on a worse team in the same league. Nobody on his team was anywhere close to him, so it’s not like he’s a product of some other player. He did it all himself.

The one knock is his skating, which is not even bad technically. His acceleration is what’s lacking, but he’s at least average in terms of speed once he gets going. The concerns are overblown imo, and it’s something that’s easily fixable.

Sennecke in comparison really isn’t even that much better in that regard, certainly not enough to put him above in overall rankings, so to me there’s just nothing to base the argument of Sennecke over Greentree on, aside from hunches or flashy highlights/plays that lead nowhere just as often, if not more than they are successful.
 

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I really love HuGo, but picking Sennecke over Iginla would test my faith in them. They have more info than me (aside from being more qualified!), so I would trust them. But it would be hard for me...
 

WeThreeKings

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Hopefully they talk with Demidov this week and those concerns vanish I'm not sure I can handle passing on my top pick 2 years in a row if they are there at our pick.

Chicago is gonna take him now. So I don't think we would pass but wouldn't have the option to pass.

Boys better get at the table and figure out who is gonna be better between Iginla and Sennecke, cause they can't get that one wrong.
 
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habsfan891

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Chicago is gonna take him now. So I don't think we would pass but wouldn't have the option to pass.

Boys better get at the table and figure out who is gonna be better between Iginla and Sennecke, cause they can't get that one wrong.
I'm not really in love with either one but I agree they have to get it right.
 

SannywithoutCompy

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Yes, I agree, and that’s what I’m saying; neither does Sennecke. He’s in there with these type of guys. Again, what has he done to separate himself from them? You’re going to have to give me more than a hunch or gut feeling, something tangible.

As for your point about Sennecke’s growth/frame, it doesn’t matter all that much to me because he doesn’t play at all physical, and he’s not good defensively. Thats not his game, and his extra size isn’t going to help the way he plays. Like you said, he plays like a 5’10” player. His size isn’t going to factor in all that much unless he completely changes how he plays the game.

As for Greentree, I have him above Sennecke. He plays a more projectable game, does all the little things well, is a leader, is bigger and actually plays physical, good defensively, and has a better shot. He’s better down in the corners and along the boards. He’s much more consistent and works harder. Even if he doesn’t pan out offensively, there’s a very good chance he’ll still be a useful player at the next level. Can’t say the same for Sennecke.

And on top of all that, he produced nearly 50% more than Sennecke on a worse team in the same league. Nobody on his team was anywhere close to him, so it’s not like he’s a product of some other player. He did it all himself.

The one knock is his skating, which is not even bad technically. His acceleration is what’s lacking, but he’s at least average in terms of speed once he gets going. The concerns are overblown imo, and it’s something that’s easily fixable.

Sennecke in comparison really isn’t even that much better in that regard, certainly not enough to put him above in overall rankings, so to me there’s just nothing to base the argument of Sennecke over Greentree on, aside from hunches or flashy highlights.
I like Greentree but definitely hold Sennecke in higher standing. He's a much better skater, is way better along the boards than you give him credit for, is a better forechecker (he may not hit but he has a very active stick and is great at stealing pucks from people).

They're both pretty creative, and while Greentree has the better shot I think Sennecke has the better vision and decision making offensively.
 
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Garbageyuk

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I like Greentree but definitely hold Sennecke in higher standing. He's a much better skater, is way better along the boards than you give him credit for, is a better forechecker (he may not hit but he has a very active stick and is great at stealing pucks from people).

They're both pretty creative, and while Greentree has the better shot I think Sennecke has the better vision and decision making offensively.
Then explain the massive gulf in production between the two, despite Greentree playing on a much worse team with no help. There’s just no rational argument for Sennecke over Greentree. Greentree just brings too much more to the table, even aside from production, where he is also clearly superior.
 

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Then explain the massive gulf in production between the two, despite Greentree playing on a much worse team with no help. There’s just no rational argument for Sennecke over Greentree. Greentree just brings too much more to the table, even aside from production, where he is also clearly superior.
The rational argument? Greentree can’t even skate :laugh:
 

SannywithoutCompy

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Then explain the massive gulf in production between the two, despite Greentree playing on a much worse team with no help. There’s just no rational argument for Sennecke over Greentree. Greentree just brings too much more to the table, even aside from production, where he is also clearly superior.
Okay, growing 5 inches in a couple years makes it extremely difficult to get used to your body and its abilities and limitations. Timing changes, angles of attack change, skating, shooting, passing mechanics all change. Getting used to that is really weird and takes a while.

The production evened out once Sennecke started clearly putting those newfound tools to use, and once he looked more comfortable and confident in his body and abilities. And please don't say this is something intangible therefore it isn't an argument (especially when you've already used "leadership" as a plus for Greentree when that can't possibly be quantified).

In his last 27 games, Sennecke put up 44 points which would be a 104 point pace over 64 games. You can argue that he wouldn't have maintained that, and you'd be right that we wouldn't have any way of knowing if he would have, but you'd also have to acknowledge that he was playing like a different player in those games and showed clear progression.

Greentree on the other hand put up 41 points in his last 32 games, as opposed to 49 in his first 32. I'm not using that as a negative against him necessarily, as their were probably extenuating circumstances like fatigue and his team trading players away (I assume they did since they sucked, but haven't checked).

Still, I'd rather bet on an insane upward trajectory and superior tools (in my opinion) than somewhat stagnant development over the course of the year.

Again, I like Greentree a lot and have him at 14, but I think Sennecke would be the better bet.
 
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