HF Habs: 2024 NHL Draft Thread

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this thread past 2 days:

• some draft talk
• some Pietrangelo vs Karlsson argument
• some draft talk
• more Pietrangelo vs Karlsson argument
• other old Ds argument
• some draft talk
• some Norris trophy argument
• more Pietrangelo vs Eriksson argument
• some man mountain argument
• some draft talk

 

[le_sean]

I agree with @DramaticGloveSave that Buium is getting overrated. If you have questions on Hutsons offense translating, you should have the same questions about Buiums as Buium creates offense in much the same way but Hutson does it with greater effectiveness and with a higher quality than Buium.

Buiums point totals are high and inflated by his team. He's still a great point producer but being mentioned like Makar, just no. Makar was always seen as dynamic with insane skating, his competition was just so poor that it caused hesitancy on whether it looked better than what it was due to quality of competition.

Buium is 6'0 so he's average height. His skating is not great same thing as Lane the edges and agility are great but the straight line speed isn't great. Buium isn't physical or intimidating. He's got 2nd pair offense and 2nd pair defense. He's a good player but he's a bit of a weird study. He doesn't play PP over Lane and can't play with Lane since they both do the same things. He doesn't play PK over Guhle or Xhekaj or Reinbacher or struble etc.

A top 5 pick on a guy who isn't going to be on pp1 or pk1, it's just an odd fit. Even Cam Robinson who loves the kid said on a podcast that he's likely not a pp1 guy and is more of your 40 pt defenseman in the NHL.

That’s what I don’t get about the Buium desire. We already got Buium and it didn’t cost the team a 5th overall pick.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

I wonder how big of a voice Timmins has in the Jacket's staff. We know he loves his Dmen and he's better pretty good at picking them historically. This might be the true wildcard in the whole thing. I could definitely picture him being crazy about Dickinson or Silayev and pushing pretty hard in that direction.

I've stated for months now even before the draft lottery that I have a feeling the blue jackets will end up with Lindstrom. They badly need a 2C going forward as all their young guys drafted since 2021 either are better on the wing like johnson or aren't good enough for 2C like sillanger. Worenski, Jiricek, Mateychuk is a fine top 3. They can also always sign another top 4 D. But they need talent up front badly especially will Laine leaving soon

 

[le_sean]

Good money on Silayev

I think Lindstrom was just +1800 to be the 2nd pick. With the Hawks only having small forwards, I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility

 

[ReHabs]

I think Lindstrom was just +1800 to be the 2nd pick. With the Hawks only having small forwards, I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility

That’s interesting. He’s definitely not a 2OA talent in this draft but as a total profile with the size queens and the fact Bedard isn’t big… I could see it. If his back is fine and he aces the interviews, why not?

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

this thread past 2 days:

• some draft talk
• some Pietrangelo vs Karlsson argument
• some draft talk
• more Pietrangelo vs Karlsson argument
• other old Ds argument
• some draft talk
• some Norris trophy argument
• more Pietrangelo vs Eriksson argument
• some man mountain argument
• some draft talk

The reality is that we’ve been having this discussion for months. And we’re STILL weeks away from the draft.

There’s only so many ways you can analyze the draft.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

That’s interesting. He’s definitely not a 2OA talent in this draft but as a total profile with the size queens and the fact Bedard isn’t big… I could see it. If his back is fine and he aces the interviews, why not?

Levshunov makes more sense to me but I guess we’ll see. It’s all over the place.

 

[Mrb1p]

I'm leaning Iginla as I said, maybe even in front of Demidov if I'm being honest. I see legit big moments player potential in him, he just has that '' aura''. He has the moxie to play in the Montreal market too, I don't see him getting intimidated by it at all, he seems super solid between the ears.

I'm also a big Iggy stan. He's a player that makes things happen no matter what happens, and the potential growth is massive because he's so young and relatively untested compared to his peers.

 

[Sam de Mtl]

this thread past 2 days:

• some draft talk
• some Pietrangelo vs Karlsson argument
• some draft talk
• more Pietrangelo vs Karlsson argument
• other old Ds argument
• some draft talk
• some Norris trophy argument
• more Pietrangelo vs Eriksson argument
• some man mountain argument
• some draft talk

Haha ok I'm Guilty

Still, what more can be talked about when no hockey is being played anywhere?

More fascinating to me is how Demidov rankings keep on changing even though there is no hockey being played and no new info coming out. Just a heavy usage of rumors and fake insider info.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I'm also a big Iggy stan. He's a player that makes things happen no matter what happens, and the potential growth is massive because he's so young and relatively untested compared to his peers.

if we got him or Lidstrom, you’re looking at a goal scorer which I’m very happy with. We can certainly use more of that.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

Helenius being there is interesting. No reliable insider has linked him to us. I am curious to see if goldenhands works for a betting company

If the Habs do draft him. I will have no doubt he has inside knowledge or he is part of the scouting staff

 

[Gainesvillain]

You know that body fat measurement was nowhere near correct right?

Were you there checking the calibration of the equipment or something?

Even if not correct in absolute terms, there's no reason to doubt Dickinson's body fat % was at the extreme low end of all the prospects at the combine.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Were you there checking the calibration of the equipment or something?

Even if not correct in absolute terms, there's no reason to doubt Dickinson's body fat % was at the extreme low end of all the prospects at the combine.

No but I'm also aware that a 3.64% body fat would have someone at death's door.

 

[NotProkofievian]

Were you there checking the calibration of the equipment or something?

Even if not correct in absolute terms, there's no reason to doubt Dickinson's body fat % was at the extreme low end of all the prospects at the combine.

There's no reason to believe it either. 3.64% is stage ready, split hamstrings, striated glutes, christmas tree lats, the whole 9. It was a misread.

 

[Hammer Slammer]

Prospect Shifts

Quality shift-by-shift and highlight videos

www.youtube.com

don't know who's channel that is but it looks like a possible gold mine for shift by shift vids. That is a f***ing shit ton of hours spent for pennies unless like Grant and others that can afford it and just pay Instat their huge fees to do the work for them. So I thought I would post this persons link to hopefully get them some views.

That's me! Thank you for posting. I had a subscription-based website back before covid that did okay but still not that great. I just find it fun to watch the prospects while I'm editing things down so the amount of work is worth it for me. I don't really care if I make anything or not. YouTube is more fun than running a website, I will say that. Fun to have everything public and see all the views/comments come in.

I pay for lots of league subscriptions and edit everything myself. Instat took some of my editing side work away when some junior teams and rich hockey parents realized they could just use that instead so I have no love for them haha.

Enjoy!!

 

[Locks]

I won't mention him in the same sentence than Makar. Of course not. But product of his team? Yes, Denver...really offensive team. Yet, a guy like Sean Behrens at 20 had 31 points. And brother Buium at 20 had 36. Both 2nd rounders. I have no idea how we can downgrade what Zeev did. There's 1 Makar. Just like there's 1 McDavid. But not being Makar does not mean you can't be top 5 or top 10. What Zeev did is remarkable. Having said that...in the end, he won't be my No1 d-man on my final list. But he'll be making top 10 for sure.

Very good point. Makar will likely emerge as this generation's offensive dman, the successor of Erik Karlsson. I don't know why some posters feel compelled to compare Buium to him. That said, I am pleased that Arpon reported that Habs really like Zeev. I don't have enough viewings of say, Dickinson, to really rank the Ds that are expected to be available at 5, but Buium should absolutely be among the top candidates. I feel he can, in the best-case scenario, bring what the Habs don't have in the system right now: the successor of Markov/PK. Yes, Guhle and Reinbacker are legit top paring material. Lane has the skills to be that great QB. But none of them appear to have the potential to be that all-around #1. Together, the current group of young Ds and D prospects has all the attributes needed: from mobility to defensive acumen to physicality to offence. Given this talented and diverse group, it is not critical for the habs to have an all-around number one D so I still prefer a forward. But if Demidov and Lindstrom are off the table, Zeev should be among the top choices to consider, and if we go by Arpon's info, he likely is.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I got this feeling that we will trade down to 8-13 range and we plan on trading the extra piece we get (with the Jets 1st) to get another pick in the same range. Other pieces probably required.

We get two from this list:
* Iggy
* Eiserman
* Sennecke
* Helanius

 

[Troyp]

That's me! Thank you for posting. I had a subscription-based website back before covid that did okay but still not that great. I just find it fun to watch the prospects while I'm editing things down so the amount of work is worth it for me. I don't really care if I make anything or not. YouTube is more fun than running a website, I will say that. Fun to have everything public and see all the views/comments come in.

I pay for lots of league subscriptions and edit everything myself. Instat took some of my editing side work away when some junior teams and rich hockey parents realized they could just use that instead so I have no love for them haha.

Enjoy!!

Been watching your channel for awhile now, amazing work. Love how you spotlight the player at the start of the shift too

 

[TheBuriedHab]

Buium is a 2nd pairing guy with 40 point upside? lol Now I've heard it all.

 

[Habssince89]

If I had to guess.. these are the paths to Demidov or Lindstrom

To Demidov:
SJS - Celebrini
CHI - Levshunov
ANA - Silayev
CBJ - Lindstrom

To Lindstrom:
SJS - Celebrini
CHI - Demidov
ANA - Levshunov
CBJ - Silayev

I could also see the first path happening but CLB takes Demidov

 

[WeThreeKings]

I could also see the first path happening but CLB takes Demidov

Doesn't sound likely.

 

[Habssince89]

Doesn't sound likely.

Why? I could totally see CLB just like MTL having a dilemma of choosing between the two, and given Demidov's potential and skill its not far-fetched at all to imagine the jackets running to the podium because a player who could've gone 2nd is available at 4. I think it is more likely Lindstrom gets picked in that scenario, but they aren't going to ignore Demidov. It would definitely have a chance of going either way.

 

[Jaynki]

Why? I could totally see CLB just like MTL having a dilemma of choosing between the two, and given Demidov's potential and skill its not far-fetched at all to imagine the jackets running to the podium because a player who could've gone 2nd is available at 4. I think it is more likely Lindstrom gets picked in that scenario, but they aren't going to ignore Demidov. It would definitely have a chance of going either way.

that is true for like 8 players

 

[WeThreeKings]

Why? I could totally see CLB just like MTL having a dilemma of choosing between the two, and given Demidov's potential and skill its not far-fetched at all to imagine the jackets running to the podium because a player who could've gone 2nd is available at 4. I think it is more likely Lindstrom gets picked in that scenario, but they aren't going to ignore Demidov. It would definitely have a chance of going either way.

Given the choice between a smaller winger from Russia to the large, mean, potential canadian center.. most franchises will take the Canadian center, especially a team like CBJ which has nothing behind Fantilli.

 

[Habssince89]

that is true for like 8 players

Right, but Demidov is among them, and he's the only forward that is true for. What I'm saying is CLB is not guaranteed to automatically take Lindstrom if both he and Demidov are on the board.

Given the choice between a smaller winger from Russia to the large, mean, potential canadian center.. most franchises will take the Canadian center, especially a team like CBJ which has nothing behind Fantilli.

Again, I agree this is the more likely scenario to play out, but the quality of Demidov will be at least considered before they decide their final choice.