HF Habs: 2024 NHL Draft Thread

[crosbyshow]

Sure, if Catton was a 140 point player. But he isn’t.

If Kucherov was suppose to be a 140 points player at 18..he would not have bern drafted in the second round..

Catton all the way at 5...we need talent

 

[The Great Weal]

Once upon a time, KK was a good kid who wanted to learn, unlike the lazy Galchenyuk... Everything is fine and dandy until it's not anymore.

I'd imagine that if he didn't seem like a good kid, he wouldn't have been drafted at 3rd overall. But yes it's hard to know pre-draft who will be lazy and too entitled to listen to criticism and who will actually put in the work.

 

[TheBuriedHab]

The problem with KK even back to his draft year was his conditioning. He'd regularly be great in the first period but after that played like a wet fart. He never improved on it unfortunately. He was a smart player, had good vision. He could never get his shot off though.

 

[PavelBrendl]

You developp them, by putting them in situttion they can succeed. We don't have that in Montreal for Catton. Not everybody can be Tampa and I would'nt compare myself to a dynasty.

It's evident the way the roster is build and the reinbacker pick that we're aiming to be the next Dallas stars, not the next Lightning. And it's great like that.

Surely, a guy like Catton can’t play his game in our top 6 when he’s getting pushed around alongside our other undersized players like Suzuki, Slafkovsky and Dach… right?

Too many size queens see one small forward like Caufield in our top 6, and suddenly the entire top 6 is undersized.

And I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: take a look at the top 20 scorers in the NHL and you’ll find a wild and crazy statistic: half of them are ~185 lbs or less.

The Reinbacher pick also tells us that we absolutely needed to address the absolute black hole at RD much more than it tells us we’re trying to be the Dallas Stars. The fact that we’re comparing Tampa and Dallas also tells us one thing: there are many ways to build a contender and the only thing that’s non-negotiable is talent.

 

[le_sean]

The only thing I want is for the Habs to evaluate talent better than you.

*Better than you AND me @ReHabs.

I re-read my post and it was a lot meaner than I expected it would come off

 

[Jaynki]

Size is important in the concept of a team.

Not individually.

Lightning won when they acquired big, gritty players. Their core was smallish but it was still a big team that played big too.

While individually looking at a player, talent will always prime over size.

But when a player has both, like Lindstrom, then an evident premium becomes attached to it because you have the potential for something very rare.

On the other hands, plenty of small talented forward and plenty of big unskilled player are always available.

Pretty simple.

 

[Runner77]

Don’t know where D’Amico is hearing it from, but we’ll take it.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1798310219367543024

 

[le_sean]

Don’t know where D’Amico is hearing it from, but we’ll take it.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1798310219367543024

But the Ducks can’t make two picks at 3

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Don’t know where D’Amico is hearing it from, but we’ll take it.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1798310219367543024

I thought that was pretty well established since the lottery. Important thing is if 3 d go in the top 5, then Demidov is there for us.

 

[Runner77]

I thought that was pretty well established since the lottery. Important thing is if 3 d go in the top 5, then Demidov is there for us.

I thought there was nothing well established after Celebrini.

Happy with one of Demidov/ Lindstrom, should D’Amico’s scenario pan out.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

The only thing I want is for the Habs to evaluate talent better than you.

That could be said for any of us man

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Size is important in the concept of a team.

Not individually.

Lightning won when they acquired big, gritty players. Their core was smallish but it was still a big team that played big too.

While individually looking at a player, talent will always prime over size.

But when a player has both, like Lindstrom, then an evident premium becomes attached to it because you have the potential for something very rare.

On the other hands, plenty of small talented forward and plenty of big unskilled player are always available.

Pretty simple.

Talent and size is the ideal. That’s why we’re all so hopeful about Slaf. A shame Lindstrom’s back got all mangled. I wanted to see what he could do. On the flipside, I guess if he had a great year he wouldn’t be available to us.

 

[crosbyshow]

Size is important in the concept of a team.

Not individually.

Lightning won when they acquired big, gritty players. Their core was smallish but it was still a big team that played big too.

While individually looking at a player, talent will always prime over size.

But when a player has both, like Lindstrom, then an evident premium becomes attached to it because you have the potential for something very rare.

On the other hands, plenty of small talented forward and plenty of big unskilled player are always available.

Pretty simple.

3rd and 4th line.. i agree..you need size...but in the first 2 lines you need talent even if you have 2 undersized players...Catton is more talented than Lindstrom..way more...you take him..

 

[Jaynki]

Talent and size is the ideal. That’s why we’re all so hopeful about Slaf. A shame Lindstrom’s back got all mangled. I wanted to see what he could do. On the flipside, I guess if he had a great year he wouldn’t be available to us.

It might one big luck since i doubt a 6ft4 50 goals scoring centerman would be available at 5, in any given draft year.

On the other hand, its concerning, isnt it.

There is no free lunch

 

[sampollock]

KK talk should be banned on HF lol

 

[Favster]

Hutson has played what, 2 NHL games so far? And that's actually what you're using to prove how great this management is doing?

2 NHL games at any point for a 62nd pick is above average. Relax man.

 

[Jaynki]

3rd and 4th line.. i agree..you need size...but in the first 2 lines you need talent even if you have 2 undersized players...Catton is more talented than Lindstrom..way more...you take him..

I disagree.

Catton has a lot more pure skills but that does not make him more talented in his overall profile.

Size and strenght gives incredible edge in some areas of the game so even if Lindstrom has less pure skills than Catton and Demidov, there is a world where is a more effective, talented player than the other two.

He may be better in puck protection, scoring, puck carrying at the next level because of his size and strenght.

For example, i would take Jason Robertson and Matthew Tkachuk way before Marner and Nylander.

The latter two tho have a lot more pure skills.

Hutson has played what, 2 NHL games so far? And that's actually what you're using to prove how great this management is doing?

Yes he has only played 2 NHL games.

He has not done anything worthy before like totally breaking the record of current norris winning dman

 

[Kents polished head]

2 NHL games at any point for a 62nd pick is above average. Relax man.

I'm the one who keeps some reserves before suggesting this management is filled with player development masterminds and that Bobrov/Lapointe picks have warranted us blindling trusting them.

And supposedly I'm the one who needs to relax? lol. Take your own advice buddy.

I'm not the one playing the "well if they pick a player they should get our full trust" card.

If you feel comfortable being in awe in front of Lapointe and Bobrov after all of two NHL games from a pick, that should tell you more about your need to relax than mine.

 

[Jaynki]

Talent and size is the ideal. That’s why we’re all so hopeful about Slaf. A shame Lindstrom’s back got all mangled. I wanted to see what he could do. On the flipside, I guess if he had a great year he wouldn’t be available to us.

Talent and size are not dissociated.

Its foolish to ignore how big of an edge it gives when a player is stronger and bigger than his opponent.

 

[Kents polished head]

I'm up to like 20 games of Sennecke now. I try so hard but I can't get over the posture, the fact he can't stop gliding, the way he looks like Benoit Pouliot effort level wise at times, the way pucks just float away from him despite his seemingly very good stick-handling and the way he seems to be mostly in the wrong spot often. It's tough because you see the talent, he's skilled, he's raw, he does have shifts where he works super hard, he has shifts where he pushes the play and flashes shot, hands, skating and passing but when you compare him with Lindstrom and Iginla I'm not sure I can see it and of course with Catton and Demidov it's just not the pick, we'd be reaching hard on size.

I'm also unsure what the use of picking a guy thats 6'3 if he stays 60 feet from the play 75% of the time. He's a project, but I think we probably should be past these projects at this point. The Habs need that elusive #3 forward to compiment Slaf and Suzuki and slide down CC to 4-5. I think all three of Iggy, Catton and Demidov are pretty much locks to be just that, why risk it, really ?

He's an awkward player. From the way he skates to the way he even performs his highlight-reel dekes. There's just something off about his posture and the way he plays the game.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

I know we have an absolute surplus at that position but...Tarin Smith would be a hell of a gamble with our 2nd.

 

[bopeep]

Talent and size are not dissociated.

Its foolish to ignore how big of an edge it gives when a player is stronger and bigger than his opponent.

You might want to throw IQ into that equation as well...

 

[Jaynki]

You might want to throw IQ into that equation as well...

Ofc

 

[crosbyshow]

Talent and size are not dissociated.

Its foolish to ignore how big of an edge it gives when a player is stronger and bigger than his opponent.

The most important skill is IQ.

The best in history
..Gretzky had only that way above everybody...and he was skinny ant not strong at all.

Look at Kucherov as well.

Catton is way smarter than Lindstrom..not even close


Catton is better than Lindstrom

 

[Jaynki]

The most important skill is IQ.

The best in history
..Gretzky had only that way above everybody...and he was skinny ant not strong at all.

Look at Kucherov as well.

Catton is way smarter than Lindstrom..not even close


Catton is better than Lindstrom

I agree that the most important skill is IQ.

I dont know where this perceived notion that big strong player have low IQ come from tho but we have seen it with Slafkovsky and we are seeing it now with Lindstrom.

Catton is a smart player but i have not seen IQ problem from Lindstrom, far from it.