HF Habs: 2024 NHL Draft Thread

[Gabouch04]

Reinhart was traded for Levi and the 28th pick in 2022


Yeah Tampa was absolutely massive in their top 6.

Wait, nope, they made up for it with talent.

Also talking about Suzuki like he's small when he's over 210 lbs is hilarious.

Yeah sure, taking Tampa Bay is a great comparable when they have 5 HHOF'er and we have yet to make the playoff !

 

[SOLR]

Reinhart was traded for Levi and the 28th pick in 2022


Yeah Tampa was absolutely massive in their top 6.

Wait, nope, they made up for it with talent.

Also talking about Suzuki like he's small when he's over 210 lbs is hilarious.

Of course you can get a Reinhart for less. I'm done with the hopium of that happening. You can't make it happen. You can make a Buuim for a high quality 30 goal scorer happen at a much higher %, so that's a PLAN.

Tampa was fast and deep. Again it's not just about size. Catton is small and average speed. Caufield is small and average speed.

Kooch has a big center to create space for him tho - Point.

Imagine the Devils drafting Hughes considering his combine weight of 160 when they already had Hishier at 175lbs.

Oops don't let the facts hit you on the forehead with Hughes being injured 30% of the time and the Devils going from the playoffs to way out of said playoffs. Yeah... that's how you build a cup team (NOT).

 

[ReHabs]

Yeah sure, taking Tampa Bay is a great comparable when they have 5 HHOF'er and we have yet to make the playoff !

How else do you get HHOFs other than drafting them? Automatically not drafting super skilled prospects who are the size of Kucherov and Point means you eliminate the possibility of picking up a ton of supremely skilled players.

 

[SOLR]

While I agree that the players you listed are better options than Catton, Demidov isn’t exactly speedy. He’s really agile, but his top speed isn’t anything special.

His front speed is not special but his lateral speed is, + agility = he's a much better skater than Catton, I think we'll agree on that. He's going to improve, too; he will be fast by the time he's 22-23.

 

[Gabouch04]

How else do you get HHOFs other than drafting them? Automatically not drafting super skilled prospects who are the size of Kucherov and Point means you eliminate the possibility of picking up a ton of supremely skilled players.

You developp them, by putting them in situttion they can succeed. We don't have that in Montreal for Catton. Not everybody can be Tampa and I would'nt compare myself to a dynasty.

It's evident the way the roster is build and the reinbacker pick that we're aiming to be the next Dallas stars, not the next Lightning. And it's great like that.

 

[WeThreeKings]

This is a lot of wasted energy

It's Demidov Lindstrom Sennecke Iginla or Levshunov if he somehow fell.

It's not Catton, it's not Silayev, it's not Dickinson, it's not Parekh, it's not Helenius, it's not buium, and it's not Eiserman.

 

[sampollock]

This is a lot of wasted energy

It's Demidov Lindstrom Sennecke Iginla or Levshunov if he somehow fell.

It's not Catton, it's not Silayev, it's not Dickinson, it's not Parekh, it's not Helenius, it's not buium, and it's not Eiserman.

sounds about right

habs take a forward cant see a D man coming here at all at pick #5

 

[le_sean]

His front speed is not special but his lateral speed is, + agility = he's a much better skater than Catton, I think we'll agree on that. He's going to improve, too; he will be fast by the time he's 22-23.

No unfortunately, while I like Demidov more, I do think Catton is a better skater. At the very least, Demidov definitely isn’t a much better skater.

 

[ReHabs]

You developp them, by putting them in situttion they can succeed. We don't have that in Montreal for Catton. Not everybody can be Tampa and I would'nt compare myself to a dynasty.

I don't understand this argument. What is it Montreal doesn't have? Insufficient ice rinks..? It's a rebuild, we have not enough of anything. We especially have not enough talent.

It's evident the way the roster is build and the reinbacker pick that we're aiming to be the next Dallas stars, not the next Lightning. And it's great like that.

Very strange to completely ignore the talent dimension. The Stars and Lightning, both, have a ton of talent. It's like saying this car company makes better cars than another car company and only looking at the shape of the frame and not the engine or drive-train.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

No unfortunately, while I like Demidov more, I do think Catton is a better skater. At the very least, Demidov definitely isn’t a much better skater.

Demidov is absolutely the better player, no doubt about that. Catton is also the better skater though. I'm not sure how he can project Demidov's speed to get much faster by the time he's 22 or 23 whereas Catton will always be an average skater. That's just picking and choosing.

This is a lot of wasted energy

It's Demidov Lindstrom Sennecke Iginla or Levshunov if he somehow fell.

It's not Catton, it's not Silayev, it's not Dickinson, it's not Parekh, it's not Helenius, it's not buium, and it's not Eiserman.

I don't disagree, but the entire point of the thread is to discuss draft eligible prospects.

Like I said earlier, we won't draft Catton, but there's a good chance we regret that choice IMO.

 

[Ozmodiar]

Reinhart was traded for Levi and the 28th pick in 2022


Yeah Tampa was absolutely massive in their top 6.

Wait, nope, they made up for it with talent.

Also talking about Suzuki like he's small when he's over 210 lbs is hilarious.

I see it all the time. They should really just say “tall” instead.

 

[Gabouch04]

I don't understand this argument. What is it Montreal doesn't have? Insufficient ice rinks..? It's a rebuild, we have not enough of anything. We especially have not enough talent.

Very strange to completely ignore the talent dimension. The Stars and Lightning, both, have a ton of talent. It's like saying this car company makes better cars than another car company and only looking at the shape of the frame and not the engine or drive-train.

This is a laughable argument for Catton.

I'm wondering if you're watching playoff hockey, not just highlights ? If you don't undertsand that we're build like the Dallas Stars, not the Tampa Bay Lightning this is not even worth discussing.

We're going to succeeed by having 3 balanced lines like the Stars. We don't have a HHOF goalie (Vasilevsky), we don't have a HHOF defender (Hedman), but this doesn't mean that we're not going to succeed.

The new generations like youself just jerk off from hockey highlights because you never seen a PPG on the Habs. There's many way to win and we're not going the Tampa Bay routes, not that hard to understand.

As for Catton, he's going to have a hard time adjusting to the next level. I watched over 15 full games from him (WHL, Hlinka, WHL playoffs) and I can guarantee you he's not the next Zach Benson. Think Jonathan Drouin, perimeter player.

 

[ReHabs]

This is a laughable argument for Catton.

I'm wondering if you're watching playoff hockey, not just highlights ? If you don't undertsand that we're build like the Dallas Stars, not the Tampa Bay Lightning this is not even worth discussing.

We're going to succeeed by having 3 balanced lines like the Stars. We don't have a HHOF goalie (Vasilevsky), we don't have a HHOF defender (Hedman), but this doesn't mean that we're not going to succeed.

The new generations like youself just jerk off from hockey highlights because you never seen a PPG on the Habs. There's many way to win and we're not going the Tampa Bay routes, not that hard to understand.

We don't have a single forward as accomplished as the Stars either. We don't have enough of anything! What a strange argument to push.

There are many ways to win, and the Dallas Stars haven't figured it out yet.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

This is a laughable argument for Catton.

I'm wondering if you're watching playoff hockey, not just highlights ? If you don't undertsand that we're build like the Dallas Stars, not the Tampa Bay Lightning this is not even worth discussing.

We're going to succeeed by having 3 balanced lines like the Stars. We don't have a HHOF goalie (Vasilevsky), we don't have a HHOF defender (Hedman), but this doesn't mean that we're not going to succeed.

The new generations like youself just jerk off from hockey highlights because you never seen a PPG on the Habs. There's many way to win and we're not going the Tampa Bay routes, not that hard to understand.

Weird to specify Vasilevskiy and Hedman when Heiskanen and Oettinger are both top 5, if not top 3 at their positions.

It's also not like Catton wouldn't contribute to us having 3 scoring lines. Whoever we get in this draft is being slotted in to that 2nd line wing spot as soon as they're ready. Doesn't matter if it's Catton, Iginla, Lindstrom, or Sennecke.

 

[HuGort]

All the people wishing for Catton need to realize that the goal is winning hockey game, not being a Youtube highlight star. All he does is play on the rush beating player that won't make it to the NHL.

- Vegas had 1 player in their whole roster under 6 feet (Marchessault)
- Florida has 1 foward under 6 feet (Rodrigues)
- In their top 6, Dallas has 1 player under 6 feet (Stankoven)

If you want to succeed, size does matter (That's what she said). We already have Caufied, and this isn't taking into consideration Hutson on D, Gallagher who's still there because of the contract, Suzuki and Newhook.

My point is there's 0 chance Catton get drafted by us. If you want him to succeed, you wish that he goes to a team that he will thrive. Montreal ain't it. The only team I could see picking him in the top 10 is Calgary, the other will pass. Not a top 10 worthy pick.

You want big heavy forwards aggressive on the forecheck.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

You want big heavy forwards aggressive on the forecheck.

Yeah that's why we need more guys like Anderson, not that bum in your profile picture

 

[le_sean]

The Habs will have to win the Cup by playing heavy. We will never have a shot at a generational player and we will never attract top end talent in free agency. We have to hope to pull off a St. Louis Blues. A bunch of solid players, really heavy, goaltender playing above his level.

 

[Cubebrick]

I like Demidov's edge work better than Catton's, however I find that Catton beats him in the speed and first 3 steps categories.

The thing that worries me about Demidov's skating is the overuse of the 10-2 strides. Now, it's pretty good for deception but it also puts more pressure on the hips, knees and feet since they're open all the time, which does leave the player on the receiving end of a hit in a more vulnerable position to absorb contact.

 

[Gabouch04]

Weird to specify Vasilevskiy and Hedman when Heiskanen and Oettinger are both top 5, if not top 3 at their positions.

Vasilevsky has 2 cups, a Conn Smythe and Vezina. Oettinger has none of that.

Hedman has 2 cups, a Cpnn Smythe and Norris. Heiskanen has none of that.

Keep trying.

We don't have a single forward as accomplished as the Stars either. We don't have enough of anything! What a strange argument to push.

There are many ways to win, and the Dallas Stars haven't figured it out yet.

We have more then enough of everything. We have 4 clear top 6 player (Suzuki, Slafkovsky, Caufield, Dach), with 2 clear 1st line player (Suzuki, Slafkovsky), we just need one more player to add to the top 6.

We have an excellent complement player à la Lekhonen (Newhook). Nothing to worry about, we're going to get better with time and developpement of those players.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

I like Demidov's edge work better than Catton's, however I find that Catton beats him in the speed and first 3 steps categories.

The thing that worries me about Demidov's skating is the overuse of the 10-2 strides. Now, it's pretty good for deception but it also puts more pressure on the hips, knees and feet since they're open all the time, which does leave the player on the receiving end of a hit in a more vulnerable position to absorb contact.

Demidov is definitely the more evasive in tight spaces, but Catton is like Cammalleri in how deceptively he can use those first few strides and pace changes.

 

[NotProkofievian]

Vasilevsky has 2 cups, a Conn Smythe and Vezina. Oettinger has none of that.

Hedman has 2 cups, a Cpnn Smythe and Norris. Heiskanen has none of that.

Keep trying.



We have more then enough of everything. We have 4 clear top 6 player (Suzuki, Slafkovsky, Caufield, Dach), with 2 clear 1st line player (Suzuki, Slafkovsky), we just need one more player to add to the top 6.

We have an excellent complement player à la Lekhonen (Newhook). Nothing to worry about, we're going to get better with time and developpement of those players.

More than enough --> 4 top 6 players.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Vasilevsky has 2 cups, a Conn Smythe and Vezina. Oettinger has none of that.

Hedman has 2 cups, a Cpnn Smythe and Norris. Heiskanen has none of that.

Keep trying.



We have more then enough of everything. We have 4 clear top 6 player (Suzuki, Slafkovsky, Caufield, Dach), with 2 clear 1st line player (Suzuki, Slafkovsky), we just need one more player to add to the top 6.

We have an excellent complement player à la Lekhonen (Newhook). Nothing to worry about, we're going to get better with time and developpement of those players.

That doesn't change that they're both top 3 at their position lol. They also don't have the high end supporting cast that Vas and Hedman had, OR the defensive depth.

 

[ReHabs]

We have more then enough of everything. We have 4 clear top 6 player (Suzuki, Slafkovsky, Caufield, Dach), with 2 clear 1st line player (Suzuki, Slafkovsky), we just need one more player to add to the top 6.

Career highs: 77, 50, 65, and 38 pts.

We have an excellent complement player à la Lekhonen (Newhook). Nothing to worry about, we're going to get better with time and developpement of those players.

Career high: 34 pts

The future Dallas Stars, ladies and gentleman.

 

[Gabouch04]

More than enough --> 4 top 6 players.

Because we're not ready to compete yet and we're adding more ? My prediction is one of Sennecke/Lindstrom + 1 trade to add to the top 6.

Newhook will take the Lindstrom/Sennecke spot.

Wh'en we're ready to compete, moove down Newhook to the 3rd line.

Slafkovsky - Suzuki - Caufield
Lindstrom/Sennecke - Dach - Necas/Zegras
Newhook - Beck - Anderson

More then fine top 9 that would be able to compete for the cup. You guys just need to chill out and wait for our window to open.

Career highs: 77, 50, 65, and 38 pts.

Career high: 34 pts

The future Dallas Stars, ladies and gentleman.

Did you know that we've been tanking for the past 3 years ? Living under a rock ?

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

The Habs will have to win the Cup by playing heavy. We will never have a shot at a generational player and we will never attract top end talent in free agency. We have to hope to pull off a St. Louis Blues. A bunch of solid players, really heavy, goaltender playing above his level.

Lightning and Hawks didn’t have generational players. You can win with skill. It’s all about balance.