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Who do you want at #5?

  • Tij Iginla

    Votes: 209 49.5%
  • Cole Eiserman

    Votes: 14 3.3%
  • Berkly Catton

    Votes: 92 21.8%
  • Konsta Helenius

    Votes: 13 3.1%
  • Beckett Sennecke

    Votes: 75 17.8%
  • Zayne Parekh

    Votes: 19 4.5%

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It would be utterly shocking IMO if Hutson sees time in AHL for anything but injury recovery / conditioning stint

Would not be shocking for me. He's got to learn how to play D against men. His offensive skill is not in question but his strength against NHL forwards along the boards and in front of the net is. There is no doubt in my mind he needs time to adjust and learn how to survive in that area.

Are we going to let him learn on the job? Possible but that depends on what he shows in camp and in preseason. 2 NHL games at the end of the season don't mean much.
 

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I didn't mean to make it seem like you were saying he'll become a top 5 dman in the league. I just don't see a lot of things that Guhle does at Heiskanen's level or trending in that direction. In fact, I'm struggling to find one thing a single thing let alone a lot of things lol. Maybe speed but I still think Heiskanen is and will remain the better skater.

Let's do another one.

(A): 16 points in 19 games in the WHL playoffs as someone who turned 20 halfway through the season
(B): 26 points in 27 games in the NHL playoffs as someone who turned 20 before the season started

Well age is definitely a factor, but not as much of a factor as the fact that Heiskanen is significantly more creative offensively.

So you think Guhle will be close to leading this team to the finals with 26 points in 27 games like Heiskanen did at 20 years old? If Guhle even becomes a top 10 dman in the league I'll eat crow forever, but again, if he becomes a Lindholm type there is nothing wrong with that. I don't think he's someone that you really want on the PP either so your 5v5 stats don't really say much to me. Esa Lindell had 8 less EV points than Heiskanen this season. Doesn't mean that he's only marginally worse offensively.
Everybody that gets 50% secondary assists will have great production.

I think people are using total production to explain a reasoning, I don't think people actually evaluate Guhle as not creative. Guhle will go as far as Marty will permit, which is probably not very far since he's seen less PP time than Xhekaj.

Also, the difference between Lindholm and Heiskanen is not big and I'd be glad if he falls somewhere in there. Lindholm is good enough to be a 1D on a good team, as he proved from 14 to 18.
 

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That s my point. You don t know what you have. In the list I sent you, maybe only Reinbacher and Guhle will be top 4 Dmen, Buium / Dickinson make it more likely that you have 3 of them.

Don t draft Buium because you have Harris. Same thing as don t draft Tkachuk because you need centers, who needs Sergachev if you can have a dynamic winger ? Remember 2021 : Habs are set for years at center with KK Suzuki Poehling Danault…
Only Guhle and Reinbacher are Top 4? You’re underrating our defence. Hutson was at that Adam Fox and Cale Makar level in the NCAA. Mailloux was an all-star in the AHL as a rookie.
 

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That s my point. You don t know what you have. In the list I sent you, maybe only Reinbacher and Guhle will be top 4 Dmen, Buium / Dickinson make it more likely that you have 3 of them.

Don t draft Buium because you have Harris. Same thing as don t draft Tkachuk because you need centers, who needs Sergachev if you can have a dynamic winger ? Remember 2021 : Habs are set for years at center with KK Suzuki Poehling Danault…
You said we have Guhle and Reinbacher as top pair d-men. So all you need are 2nd and 3rd pair d-men. On the left side for those two pairs we have Matheson, Hutson, Struble, Harris, Engstrom, and Xhekaj. On the right side we Kovacevic (3rd pair), Barron, Mailloux and Konyushkov. David Savard for the time being.

Now do that exercise for the top two lines. 1st line: Suz, Slaf and maybe Caufield. I was a big fan of CC but I'm starting to think he'd be better suited for the 2nd line. On that 2nd line we have Dach and maybe Newhook and Roy. That's it!

Now tell me again we need d-men.
 
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Is this guy orbiting space? Who ever had any doubt that Dickinson’s game is more complete than Parekh’s?

Who even had Parekh so closely ranked with Dickinson that there needed to be a judgment call made about which of these two players ranked ahead of the other?

they were 6 and 7 on McKenzie's May ranking, so that's one consensus that had them closely ranked.
 

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That s my point. You don t know what you have. In the list I sent you, maybe only Reinbacher and Guhle will be top 4 Dmen, Buium / Dickinson make it more likely that you have 3 of them.

Don t draft Buium because you have Harris. Same thing as don t draft Tkachuk because you need centers, who needs Sergachev if you can have a dynamic winger ? Remember 2021 : Habs are set for years at center with KK Suzuki Poehling Danault…

You only draft the D if you think you are actually getting the BPA and not reaching. Just because there are 6 D to choose from, it don't mean they will all be top pairing studs.

I'm OK with taking a top 6F with a shot at top line forward vs a top 4D with a shot at top pairing. The goal here is to take the guy we feel will develop the most and be the best. If you take a player you like and help them develop into what you think they can be, success.

Dickinson, Demidov, Iggy, Lindstrom are my BPA's after Celebrini. Others have more D in that mix? Sure, can't blame them too much but lets stop for a second and consider how many top paring D and top line forwards are there in this draft? It's not 6+
 

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Sennecke over Lindstrom? Yikes

Only if Lindstrom's medicals are bad.

Right now it looks like the sense is Demidov-Lindstrom-Sennecke in that order.

I just can't see the Hawks passing on Demidov...impossible...no matter how good Dickinson is..

Demidov is thr best passer of this draft just before Catton.. He is a lefty and Bedard is a deadly right hand scorer.

..and Bedard is alone up front right now

Those 2 could be the most dynamic duo in the NHL soon

I can see it but it's not Dickinson, it's Levshunov.

- Russian factor is there, it's not a big factor but it's there.
- Demidov is a smaller winger with not great skating, this isn't the best combination with their already smaller forward group.
- Demidov has played in the MHL two years in a row, not a lot of viewings against high level competition
- They have live viewings of Levshunov, they don't have live viewings of Demidov.
- They have a big hole on right defense and for a #1 defenseman and we know teams value defenseman over wingers 95% of the time.
- Blackhawks are in a multi-year rebuild and if you forecast the next draft, it's barren on defense but full of skilled forwards and skilled forwards with size.

That s my point. You don t know what you have. In the list I sent you, maybe only Reinbacher and Guhle will be top 4 Dmen, Buium / Dickinson make it more likely that you have 3 of them.

Don t draft Buium because you have Harris. Same thing as don t draft Tkachuk because you need centers, who needs Sergachev if you can have a dynamic winger ? Remember 2021 : Habs are set for years at center with KK Suzuki Poehling Danault…

What if the internal evaluation of Hutson, Engstrom and Xhekaj are higher than yours?

What if the internal evaluation of Buium and Dickinson are lower than yours?

You don't draft Buium because you already like what you have on the left side and you aren't as bullish on him. I'm not that bullish on Buium and a bunch of other teams obvious aren't either, otherwise he'd be viewed a lot higher on the NHL affiliated lists than he is.

Levshunov fills a positional need for the Ducks, but if Chicago takes him I really don't know what they'd be looking at. And if they're comfortable enough taking whichever of Silayev/Dickinson is left.

If Hugo has the chance to secure the first forward on their board and there's considerable separation between their second, a trade up is a no-brainer even if its an overpayment.

Ducks will be looking at Levshunov/Silayev/Dickinson they need a big, rangy, defensive oriented defenseman to help insulate Mintyukov and Zellweger. They already have MacTavish, Terry, Carlsson, Zegras and Gauthier up front.

Assuming they finish bottom 5 again yes and then you trade one of the Ds once you are sure of which you want to keep, like COL did with Byram, NSH with Jones. That being said if they finish bottom 5 again it means they are betting on the wrong core : Suzuki D +8, CC D+6, Dach D+6, Newhook D+6, Guhle D+5, Barron D+5, Slaf D+3, Harris D+7 Savard veteran bottom pair on a winning team, Matheson veteran top 4D, Montembault NHL caliber goalie, i.e. the problem would be deeper than just another Dman.

So two examples of a defenseman for forward trade in the last, what, 10 years?

This is a fallacy that it's so easy to find a match if you have too many defenseman to flip them for a forward.

I don't think so.

Pronman just came out with a list that had Sennecke 3 spots ahead of Lindstrom and he's probably getting a whiff of how NHL scouts are thinking right now.

That was his own personal list, it's his mock draft that is influenced by what he is hearing. That being said, the noise around Sennecke is legit and Pronman described him as having loud tools, which he does.
 

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Would not be shocking for me. He's got to learn how to play D against men. His offensive skill is not in question but his strength against NHL forwards along the boards and in front of the net is. There is no doubt in my mind he needs time to adjust and learn how to survive in that area.

Are we going to let him learn on the job? Possible but that depends on what he shows in camp and in preseason. 2 NHL games at the end of the season don't mean much.
HuGo & MSL know what they have in Hutson and it won’t be a classic Dman.

I suspect we will start seeing Hughes & MSLs positionless concepts to start being firmly implemented & taking hold starting in pre-season.

Hutson will play 4th fwd / rover and not see lead protection situations - PK, late periods / game
 

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HuGo & MSL know what they have in Hutson and it won’t be a classic Dman.

I suspect we will start seeing Hughes & MSLs positionless concepts to start being firmly implemented & taking hold starting in pre-season.

Hutson will play 4th fwd / rover and not see lead protection situations - PK, late periods / game

I am curious to see where Hutson starts next season. I'm sure he gets good usage in pre season games and we go from there. I'm also sure Hutson knows his challenges on the D side of things. Personally, I would not be in a rush to insert him. We all see the offensive side he can bring but he needs to work on the D side. Do we allow him to learn on the job? Possible. If not Hutson, I am not sure who plays with Savard.

Matheson / Guhle
???? / Savard
Xhekaj / Mailloux

If Dickinson is on the board when we pick, I'd probably seriously take him because I feel he is the best out of that D group. If Dickinson is off the board, Iggy is my guy.

* Dickinson / Guhle would be a great top pairing IMO.
* Hutson / Reinbacher would be a great 2nd pairing
* Xhekaj / Mailloux would be a great 3rd pairing.

If we were to draft Dickinson, we could package Matheson with one of our 1st and other adds to get a top 6F.
 

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Would anyone be willing to drop to #9 if Cal traded up for Iginla. Not sure what the sweetener would be. Still get one of Senneke, Catton, Eiserman. This is if Demidov & Lindstrom are off the board.
 

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Would anyone be willing to drop to #9 if Cal traded up for Iginla. Not sure what the sweetener would be. Still get one of Senneke, Catton, Eiserman. This is if Demidov & Lindstrom are off the board.
Depends how you view the difference in value between the next 5 guys on your list

If you have someone on a tier by their own, you should ask for a lot and they might most likely decline. If all 5 are in a similar tier and ranked closed to each other, sure, try and land their late first at least and then you pick whoever's left
 

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Would anyone be willing to drop to #9 if Cal traded up for Iginla. Not sure what the sweetener would be. Still get one of Senneke, Catton, Eiserman. This is if Demidov & Lindstrom are off the board.

Not me. I don't like the idea of trading down. There are some BPA's at 5 that will still be there. We can walk away with one of Dickinson, Demidov, Iggy, or Lindstrom.

I'd try to use other assets to get another pick from 10-14.
 
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Only if Lindstrom's medicals are bad.

Right now it looks like the sense is Demidov-Lindstrom-Sennecke in that order.



I can see it but it's not Dickinson, it's Levshunov.

- Russian factor is there, it's not a big factor but it's there.
- Demidov is a smaller winger with not great skating, this isn't the best combination with their already smaller forward group.
- Demidov has played in the MHL two years in a row, not a lot of viewings against high level competition
- They have live viewings of Levshunov, they don't have live viewings of Demidov.
- They have a big hole on right defense and for a #1 defenseman and we know teams value defenseman over wingers 95% of the time.
- Blackhawks are in a multi-year rebuild and if you forecast the next draft, it's barren on defense but full of skilled forwards and skilled forwards with size.



What if the internal evaluation of Hutson, Engstrom and Xhekaj are higher than yours?

What if the internal evaluation of Buium and Dickinson are lower than yours?

You don't draft Buium because you already like what you have on the left side and you aren't as bullish on him. I'm not that bullish on Buium and a bunch of other teams obvious aren't either, otherwise he'd be viewed a lot higher on the NHL affiliated lists than he is.



Ducks will be looking at Levshunov/Silayev/Dickinson they need a big, rangy, defensive oriented defenseman to help insulate Mintyukov and Zellweger. They already have MacTavish, Terry, Carlsson, Zegras and Gauthier up front.



So two examples of a defenseman for forward trade in the last, what, 10 years?

This is a fallacy that it's so easy to find a match if you have too many defenseman to flip them for a forward.



That was his own personal list, it's his mock draft that is influenced by what he is hearing. That being said, the noise around Sennecke is legit and Pronman described him as having loud tools, which he does.
Imagine calling Demidov "not a great skater".

Esti the things you read by the so called "autorithy" in the scouring thread. Jesus.
 

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Imagine calling Demidov "not a great skater".

Esti the things you read by the so called "autorithy" in the scouring thread. Jesus.
He's gotta get stronger and get a better first step and top speed, and he's got a bit of Galchenitis with the hunchback but he makes up for it with very good lateral movement because of the 10-2. If he can fix some of the technical aspects and gain more strength and separation speed it won't even be fair.
 

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Would anyone be willing to drop to #9 if Cal traded up for Iginla. Not sure what the sweetener would be. Still get one of Senneke, Catton, Eiserman. This is if Demidov & Lindstrom are off the board.
Yes assuming the payout is big. Otherwise we just pick Iggy. I'd want Vancouvers pick or their two 2nds, otherwise they can pick whoever Yakemchuk.

I'm sure we can grab one of Iggy, Catton, Sennecke at 9 and if they're not there, it means one of Demidov, Buium, Lindstrom, Dickinson is there. I'd just be sad to pick Silayev or Yakemchuk.
 

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I am curious to see where Hutson starts next season. I'm sure he gets good usage in pre season games
* Dickinson / Guhle would be a great top pairing IMO.
* Hutson / Reinbacher would be a great 2nd pairing
* Xhekaj / Mailloux would be a great 3rd pairing.

If we were to draft Dickinson, we could package Matheson with one of our 1st and other adds to get a top 6F.
i know Guhle played RD for abit last year but i want him back on his preferred side

Guhle-Reinbacher should be our first pairing in the future
 

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Yes assuming the payout is big. Otherwise we just pick Iggy. I'd want Vancouvers pick or their two 2nds, otherwise they can pick whoever Yakemchuk.

I'm sure we can grab one of Iggy, Catton, Sennecke at 9 and if they're not there, it means one of Demidov, Buium, Lindstrom, Dickinson is there. I'd just be sad to pick Silayev or Yakemchuk.
Dropping to 9 would mean Catton is almost certainly there. He's 3 on my list, so unless Demidov is there at 5 you take it and run.
 

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i know Guhle played RD for abit last year but i want him back on his preferred side

Guhle-Reinbacher should be our first pairing in the future

That day will come. For now, Matheson and Guhle will most likely stick. Guhle learning and growing on his off side is a good test for him. I would call this positive development because he is still producing.
 

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He's gotta get stronger and get a better first step and top speed, and he's got a bit of Galchenitis with the hunchback but he makes up for it with very good lateral movement because of the 10-2. If he can fix some of the technical aspects and gain more strength and separation speed it won't even be fair.
He's a great skater period. Ever since David Saint-Louis came around skating is overanalyzed and underrated with nearly every player.

A lot of the same was said about Benson last year and it was just as foolish, only Benson isn't as good a skater as Demidov. Anti-scouting at best.

You have to realize that guys like David Saint-Louis are influencers first and foremost. What are they selling you if they just say Demidov has no weaknesses? Why are you watching the next video on him?
 
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