HF Habs: 2024 NHL Draft Thread

[Playmaker09]

Iginla might be safer and that's the risk we run but haven't we been talking about swinging for fences? I still think the floor for Sennecke is fine as well. It's a swing I'm comfortable making if Lindstrom and Demidov are gone.

Safe doesn’t win you Cups. We don’t have the luxury of drafting generational players or having high profile free agents sign. After Demidov and Lindstrom, I don’t see any forwards with 70+ point potential available. Maybe Catton, but we are currently seeing what size brings a team in the playoffs, so what good is a Marner-lite? Sennecke maybe has that potential in an enticing physical package.

We took the gamble with Slafkovsky, he had the attitude to go with the skill and physicality. A lot will come down to the interviews. Does Sennecke want to improve, is he wired similarly to Slaf? If so, I can see why NHL teams would consider him this high.

That all depends on how you view Sennecke's upside.
Personally, I think his playmaking has been overrated and I don't see elite potential the same way I did for Pettersson for example.

Demidov has his own question marks, but I'm much more willing to take the risk on him given that I believe his upside is of a higher tier than Sennecke's. Same with Slaf.

I think the upside for Tij and Sennecke is similar, and so they fall into the same tier.
However, as Tij just needs less to go his way in order to hit that potential, I have him higher within that tier. That's how safety is weighed for me.

Regardless, neither are on my wishlist at 5.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

We could sure do a lot worse than Iggy, I'd be real happy with him. I'm pretty sure the pick would go over very well with the fans/media as well. He's not a consolation prize in any shape or form, he's a legit top prospect.

 

[montreal]

If Sennecke had 90 pts this year (his playoffs pace), would the view of him as a prospect change?

There's only three things I can come up with that would have people resist him as an option in this class

He hasn't been talked about as a top 10/5 pick early enough in the cycle for people to be comfortable.

His hockeydb page doesn't show a big point production.

He's seen as a "riser" and that has a negative connotation because of Kotkaniemi not working out.

Not to me since I could care less about stats, just go with what I see.

I've seen 6 games of his, impressed with the skill, poor balance and major lack of strength, he has that KK lean too forward when skating that doesn't seem to help his balance as he reminds me a bit of Benoit Pouliot.

The only thing I care about is getting Demidov, but I'm expecting him to go 2nd, after that I don't really care and just hope they make the right pick cause clearly this organization has struggled greatly at the draft table for decades, and if we want to be a contender again it's going to mean our drafting and development must vastly improve from what we have seen in the past.

I have not seen him, does he play with his size? I don't mean a power forward but does he shy away from the corners or the slot??

doesn't shy away and i've seen him defend his teammates but it looks like he has a major lack of physical strength at this point so to me he would be someone you can not rush to the NHL. Let him mature physically like they should have done with KK.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Good grief! Has it really come to a point that a 17 year old getting benched a shift for accountability purposes (coaching 101) is being held against that player's draft status?

We better put 90% of the kids eligible for this draft on our DND list.

Only if he's a player you don't want to pick. The Connelly stuff is a legit concern. A benching in one game isn't.

 

[SlafySZN]

I have not seen him, does he play with his size? I don't mean a power forward but does he shy away from the corners or the slot??

Doesn’t shy away from corners, he is inside driven, create space for teammates. He’s not what you call physical but he can give good hits. Once he grow into his body he’ll use it even more in every situation.

 

[WeThreeKings]

That all depends on how you view Sennecke's upside.
Personally, I think his playmaking has been overrated and I don't see elite potential the same way I did for Pettersson for example.

Demidov has his own question marks, but I'm much more willing to take the risk on him given that I believe his upside is of a higher tier than Sennecke's. Same with Slaf.

I think the upside for Tij and Sennecke is similar, and so they fall into the same tier.
However, as Tij just needs less to go his way in order to hit that potential, I have him higher within that tier. That's how safety is weighed for me.

Regardless, neither are on my wishlist at 5.

Fair enough, I respect this opinion. Never have trouble with this type of discussion when someone has a different view than me.

 

[sampollock]

Doesn’t shy away from corners, he is inside driven, create space for teammates. He’s not what you call physical but he can give good hits. Once he grow into his body he’ll use it even more in every situation.

sounds like he is engaged as a player then

 

[Trabdy2]

I'd prefer Sennecke over Iginla myself, if that's what it comes down to. I think Sennecke has a better chance of turning into a multidimensional offensive threat when compared with Iginla at the NHL level.

Iginla's got a high-end shot and I really like how he plays off-puck, finding soft ice to get into scoring positions. He's already shown an impressive ability in using his body to gain a positional advantage over defenders in many situations.

With Sennecke, I like his puck handling, passing, and playmaking better, and he's got a pretty solid shot of his own. He's quite creative and has some real ability to manipulate defenders with his skillset.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

It really does seem to have that Slafkovsky/Reinbacher vibe to it. Honestly, with the discrepancy between a lot of the other F's after Celebrini/Demidov, I think I'd be cool with it. It's a bit of a reach but if they really believe he's the guy then okay.

If we're reaching, I'd rather reach with Iginla but I trust the scouts (at this point).

Add Kotkaniemi to that. We always take that late riser. Sennecke seems to fit us like a glove.

 

[Seb]

Any prospects drafted top 15 who missed significant games during his DY who went to be a very effective NHL player without much injuries?

I'm trying to think of one but I have horrible memory. All I can think of is Vilardi and Patrick.

Galchenyuk can count as one even if he didn't really become the player he should've, but it ain't because of injuries.

 

[Zilo44]

Any prospects drafted top 15 who missed significant games during his DY who went to be a very effective NHL player without much injuries?

I'm trying to think of one but I have horrible memory. All I can think of is Vilardi and Patrick.

Galchenyuk can count as one even if he didn't really become the player he should've, but it ain't because of injuries.

Morgan Rielly

 

[Naslund]

Any prospects drafted top 15 who missed significant games during his DY who went to be a very effective NHL player without much injuries?

I'm trying to think of one but I have horrible memory. All I can think of is Vilardi and Patrick.

Galchenyuk can count as one even if he didn't really become the player he should've, but it ain't because of injuries.

Galchenyuk has chronic brain injuries. That's the only explanation for his career and life decisions...

Nathan Horton and A. Kostitsyn had injuries/medical issues that made them lose games in their draft year. I guess injuries followed Horton in his career.

 

[sampollock]

man I am so confused with all these posts..lol
who should they get??? glad its not me picking

 

[McGees]

man I am so confused with all these posts..lol
who should they get??? glad its not me picking

Lindstrom/Iggy/Sennecke
90% it is one of them and we just hope they develop well.

 

[Naslund]

man I am so confused with all these posts..lol
who should they get??? glad its not me picking

As SwiftyHab keeps reminding us:

KEEP CALM AND DRAFT IGINLA

 

[Saundies]

The only way I can see unanimous disappointment this year is if Demidov is still there and we pass on him for whatever reason (ala Michkov last year). Other than that, we're getting a good player that is the mix with a bunch of others.

 

[Team_Spirit]

man I am so confused with all these posts..lol
who should they get??? glad its not me picking

Catching up on 5 pages of forwards discussion with 1 name in mind; Sam Dickinson

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

man I am so confused with all these posts..lol
who should they get??? glad its not me picking

It's just going to be discussed with the same points over and over again until thr pick is made.

 

[sampollock]

It's just going to be discussed with the same points over and over again until thr pick is made.

And then look out if it's not a pick that we all agree on

 

[Hacketts]

Goes off the board and they grab Yakemchuk..

 

[BeliveauFan4ever]

I wouldn't mind Sennecke at 10th, but I still don't like him at 5th.

I've never been a fan of later risers, and I'm personally worried to see how his game is impacted by his frame filling out. The way he gets around defenders with his lanky frame is interesting, but if he fills out with 30lbs of muscle to get up to 205lbs, then I'm not sure if he'll maintain that aspect of his game.

With today’s expert training methods, and their attention to detail, I’m not worried about it.

 

[Gally11]

I truly believe the combine tests / interviews will be what separates players like Iginla and Sennecke for Habs final rankings. Whatever noise we’re hearing won’t be relevant until two weeks from now

 

[montreal]

Parekh Costly Penalty 7:38
Parekh Assist 17:25
Dickinson Nice Rush Hits Goal Post 18:43

 

[Bacchus1]

How so?

Pierre Gauthier was GM when the org decided not to offer Fischer a contract back in 2010 - 4-years post draft. MB was named GM in 2012

BTW, as Pat Hickey reported pre-2006 draft, it was Gauthier, then AGM, who was spending a lot of time watching Minny High School games

Per CBA: Habs had to make Fischer a bona fide offer of a SPC (Standard Player Contract) that would be declined, in order to gain compensation which the org didn’t

I guess you are right concerning Bergevin. A black mark on our organization and the development of prospects, then.

I see it was at the end of Gainey when he was dealing with the loss of his daughter and a regime change.

So used to Bergevin being the main culprit that I threw him under the bus there.

My point still stands, though: David Fischer is a tragic story and our organization let him down.

 

[RationalExpectations]

Catching up on 5 pages of forwards discussion with 1 name in mind; Sam Dickinson

I don t see how forwards not named Celibrini should be drafted before Buium Dickinson but I guess I m the minority around here.